gmenroc

Well if those tweets aren't two sided, I don't know what are...in one breath he says he want's to come back but in the next he implies that he'd be okay playing elsewhere. In one breath he says they're on the same page and in the next he says that none of the negotiations mean anything until the ink is on the paper...a little all over the place.

I think he needs to be a priority and that the Giants need to extend him a contract that's performance based in year one, and if those are met, than the contract for the out years gets locked in. And I think too that the Giants should be prepared to pay him well. He was our #1 CB after all...and paired with Webster...represented one of the better tandems in the league. Having these two with Prince coming up through would put our secondary in good shape for another several years provided they don't go through the injuries again like they did this year.

In no particular order I'd go:

 

MLB

OL

TE

DE

WR

RB

Total agreement on the positions. Given we lost all our TEs to injury and that we have a lot of youth at LBer already and those LBers have at least shown flashes at times...I'm inclined to go with a TE in round 1. That said, I really feel that we need to start rebuilding the reserves on the OLine to one day move in and replace the guys there. Snee and Baas are still fairly young, but Diehl's been around for a while if I'm not mistaken and we don't know what's happening with Beatty's eye. OLine and DLine are the foundation and I think that we need to ensure that it's set for years to come. Not to mention, Eli's protection and the running game were not exactly high points from this season.

19-0

I'll take 14-5 with two losses to Washington and one loss each to Carolina, Cleveland, and Tampa Bay

first priority is keeping cruz and nicks together. neither are free agents yet but i would still lock them up long-term asap

While I think it's important to do this, I think that T2 and/or Ross is more a priority.

Last year, I wouldn't have thought that we'd have a chance at winning it, but we did. That said, our schedule next year is just as tough as it was this year.

6 division games that can always go either way.

New Orleans - has had our number recently, a playoff team

Pittsburgh - on a decline, but no walk in the park, a playoff team

Green Bay - surely will be looking for revenge, a playoff team

Atlanta - surely will be looking for revenge, a playoff team

Baltimore - a playoff team, good defense

Cincinatti - on the rise

San Francisco - a good defense, a playoff team.

We do get Cleveland, Carolina, Tampa Bay though, but then again, they could rise up the same as Seattle did this past season.

Guy with long hair in back in gray/red shirt I think might be Greg Jones.

OLine - I think that we need to upgrade at OT. McKenzie walks. I like Jared Gaither (SD) and Demetrius Bell (Buf) in free agency. D'Brickashaw Ferguson and Joe Staley would both be nice, but probably too pricey. That said, with the uncertainty with Beatty, spending the extra might be okay. Either way, I think we need depth too come draft day.

QB - I think resigning David Carr or picking up David Garrard or Sage Rosenfels cheap in FA wouldn't be a bad idea.

RB - If Jacobs goes, I wouldn't mind replacing him in FA with BJGE (NE), Mike Tolbert (SD), Peyton Hillis (Cle), Michael Bush (Oak), or Tim Hightower (Wash). These guys are all either coming off injuries, coming off less than stellar seasons, or they're not abundantly crucial to their team. There are enough RBs in FA this offseason that I think it'd be a good idea to grab one. Again, if Jacobs is released for some reason. I like a RB in the draft as well. I'm sick of DJ Ware and am ready to see him go.

MLB - Stephen Tulloch (DET), Curtis Loften (Atl), Johnathon Goff (NYG), Chase Blackburn (NYG)...I think that one of these guys should be signed. I think too that we've seen enough of J.Williams to keep him. Greg Jones, I'm not ready to give up on. And I don't want to see Blackburn go. Boley and Kiwi are clearly starters. So we have a HUGE competition for the 3rd spot between Williams, Jones, Paysinger, and hopefully Blackburn and Goff. Not all are coming back I don't think. I've listed Tulloch and Loften in case we want a clear number one.

WR - I'd love to see Manningham back, but he seems to be on his way to a payday. Laurent Robinson (Dal), Robert Meachem (NO), Marques Colston (NO) could all easily step in...but they're all #1 or #2 type guys. Then again, so is Manningham.

CB - Terrell Thomas is our biggest offseason signing in my opinion. I think Michael Coe should be back as well. And I actually like Aaron Ross as our 3rd/4th CB...so I hope he is re-signed as well. I think with Prince coming up through as well, a full season, a full offseason, we'll see him improve drastically as well.

TE - I think we address through the draft and re-sign Bear Pascoe.

G, C, DE, DT, OLB, S -- I think we're pretty good right now. I think that Sash should be able to step in where Deon Grant left off at this point. KP and AR...I'll take that combo. Dave Tollefson, I love the guy, but I could see him being unsigned unless he comes in at vet minimum.

Obviously we're not making all these moves, but these are just some of the guys I've kinda put on my radar initially as far as free agency. Even if re-sign T2, MM, and CB of our own AND pick up either an OT or MLB in FA...we'll be in good shape.

Chase definitely earned the right to come to camp next year.

 

That having been said, if Reese feels like he is going to continue with youth " with a lot of upside" in Williams, Jones, Herzlich and maybe a draft pick, Chase might yet again be the odd man out.

 

If that is the case, Reese should tell him now and set the man up to get paid in free agency while his value is at it's career high.

Goff returning from injury, Boley/Kiwi solid starters, Williams/Jones/Herzlich/Sintim, and Blackburn.....can't keep 8 LBers. Tough call on who you'd keep Blackburn over.

That move would be all kinds of scary.

I know. Detroit needs to strengthen their secondary, get a RB...and they can definitely start making some noise. They've positioned themselves well thus far...just sucks for them that they're in the same division with the Packers and the Bears.

Ok but if Gronkowski makes that catch, we lose the game. Well most likely lose.

 

Manninghams watch was amazing, but the Chase pick saved the game. And it was chase blackburn playing deep and making the int. That hurt Brady and gave the giants some nice momentum.

 

You can compare with a punt if you'd like, but the difference is that if Chase doesn't make that play then the pats most likely win.

1 play does not a game make...there were a number of plays the Giants made (Chase's interception, Manningham's catch, Manning's throw to Manningham, the recovered fumbles, the made field goals, the punts inside the 10, the safety early on, the drops by the NE receivers/TEs)...all of them led to our win. Any one play in particular was just one piece of the puzzle.

I'll start with OLine

 

KMacet go

Diehl to Rt

Boothe stays put at LG or maybe Petrus

Bass and Snee stay put

Beatty, Brewer or a high pick for LT

Boothe and Petrus can play.

I agree that this could definitely be the way to go, but still think we'd need to address the line in the draft for depth purposes. This is also assuming that Beatty comes back from his eye injury unscathed.

As for the TE...I think Ballard stays and Beckum gets released. It'll kinda be a shitty thing to do, but Beckum wasn't exactly lighting it up before his injury. He's been serviceable at best. A number of mocks I've seen have us taking a TE in the first anyhow, so we'll see. With a full offseason and a desire to learn/succeed...and with Eli, I think a 1st round pick could step in fairly quickly.

As for WR, I think we need to make a serioius offer for Manningham. We can't break the bank for him though. I am not up on our current players' 2012/2013 cap hits, but I have to believe that McKenzie will create some room cap-wise if he's released. If either Nicks or Cruz throws an I want more campaign, I'll lose an awful lot of respect for them for placing the themselves before the team, an attitude contrary to what's gotten them a SB ring.

I'm sure this will go over well with the close-lipped, uptight, in-house Patriots.

Resting guys at the end of the season is the dumbest move. It kills all momentum and chemistry. How often does somebody important get hurt at the end of the season?

Resting the healthy is not smart...resting the banged up and injured so that they're able to play in the playoffs more effectively is the argument, though I'm really not favoring one or the other here. I'm simply stating that had we won the additional games, we might have rested a few guys at the end of the season (Bradshaw, Nicks, etc.)...who were a bit banged up. AND, had we done that, we might have lost momentum. Therefore, it's possible to say that losing those games in the regular season may actually have been beneficial as it forced the guys to play dinged up just to get into the playoffs, and therefore maintained momentum.

Fuck that...how can the Patriots have better odds now that the Giants beat them both in the regular season AND in the motherfucking Super Bowl AND, since apparently all talking heads think it appropriate to mention, in the motherfucking Super Bowl 4 years ago.

Tough call...Sportsnation should do the poll.

Collinsworth comes across as biased against the Giants every time they play. The only redeeming value that Collinsworth has is that he downplays his playing ability accurately. He's not one of these former players who thinks he's God and feels it necessary to say as much now that they're in the broadcasting booth. Bayless is so opinionated that he only sees one side of an argument. A true debater can at least understand where the other side is coming from and make counterpoints...not just continue to be a stick in the mud, unable to move from my one point kinda guy.

"You (have) to catch the ball when you’re supposed to catch the ball," she snapped back. "My husband cannot (bleeping) throw the ball and catch the ball at the same time. I can’t believe they dropped the ball so many times."

 

 

Gisele Bundchen, wife of Tom Brady

Exactly.

To be completely honest there were others we should've and could've won as well. Seattle, Philly... Hell if we actually showed up for the 2nd Washington game we would've gone into the playoffs on a 4 game winning streak.

Though had we beaten those teams, it's possible we would've rested some guys the last week against Dallas and lost momentum...not saying we would've done that across the board with all starters, but entirely possible we'd have done it with some. Might have been a blessing in disguise losing to Seattle.

In an era filled with knuckleheads, I think it will be a positive.

If that keeps him out then I will have no respect for the HoF. Eli's personality is absolutely perfect for the NYC area and to be the leader of this team. I believe it was Cruz that said Eli doesn't say much, but when he does... EVERYONE on the team listens. This man doesn't need to be a rah rah leader. As a younger fan (I'm 27) I remember the end of Phil Simms' career and my father telling me about how good he was so I had this idea that Simms was the be all and end all when it came to QB play for the franchise, but Eli imho had been storming up on becoming, and has now become, the Greatest QB in New York Giants history.

I agree that it's definitely a positive for our team. I think Eli's quiet leadership style fits and I have grown to respect it. It took a little bit of time for the league to adjust to it since they're used to the rah rah guys.

I just don't know if the HoF voters are ready to vote in a QB that personifies humility and a team first attitude, while not being overly vocal.

 

 

46 Super Bowls....only 5 guys are two time MVPs...Bart Star, Terry Bradsaw, Joe Montana, Tom Brady.....and Eli Fucking Manning.

 

Yeah...I think he has a pretty good shot at the Hall.

 

C. wagon

With folks estimating he's got another 8 or 9 years...yeah, absolutely has a shot. The only thing that will potentially keep him out is his laid back, take it as it comes, non-aggressive, non-boisterous personality that we all have grown to love and respect.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=dw-wetzel_tom_brady_super_bowl_gisele_bundchen_defeat_020512

This is perhaps what makes me smile most...the sorrow, the heartbreak, the regret, the shock, the anguish, all over the faces of our opponent knowing all the while...we don't have to deal with any of that.

At the end of the day, there were plays made by both teams and plays left on the field by both teams. The Giants simply made more plays than the Patriots. Overanalyzing one play or one series is simply that...overanalying.

Awesome... however, I have to admit this stat clearly goes into the "who the fuck cares" category.

Don't get me wrong, the fact we went from 3-1 to 4-1 in superbowl's trumps all other stats...but I thought it interesting

They won't have an Eli Manning throwing to them somewhere else that's for sure.

I could see Detroit making a move for a complimentary WR...having Stafford throw to them would not be the same, but wouldn't be awful for them stat-wise either.

I've never been overly excited about Chase, but you could always see that he played with heart. He was our Rudy of sorts. The guy who gave all he had, on every play, and as such, provided energy to the rest of the team. He's earned his spot on this team.

That said, I'm glad that the Giants are not complacent with the players they have and are always looking to improve.

Don't know though...they both just watched Boss go to Oakland, for money, and Steve Smith to Philadelphia, for money, and neither (1) set the world on fire or (2) got into the playoffs or (3) won the superbowl. That has to count for something.

I hope that they realize that the best thing for the three of them would be to stay together.