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When I heard the cut Newman (better late than never) I thought Ross is heading there... although my guess is they're not high on him anyway but will sign him for the right price.

There are a bunch of teams where Ross could be their #2. I still think that that the Ross and Manningham situations are awfully similar. 3rd best on current team at their position, FAs, and could be #2's elsewhere. Once the cream of the FA crop get snatched up, we'll see if these two actually latch on somewhere. Surprised we haven't heard anything about Manningham or Jacobs yet.

Well that was mean and hateful lol.

 

Nah I have no ill feelings towards the skins... I like our rivals not to suck so we don't stoop down to their level... there's a reason we lost to them twice last year.. .because THEY sucked.

Look, I hope he lives a long, prosperous life and wish him all the best, right up until it comes to how it affects the Giants. I'm a fan of the Giants first and his well being se..well, far from second...but you get the picture.

I was right, he was benched during the Jacksonville game on December 11th:

Well then, if there's a competition to be the starter, than I wouldn't fault him at all for going. If it's just about the money though...

I know, really really hope Peyton doesn't go to the 49ers. They don't seem to care though. If its me, to hell with Alex Smith, I'm going after Peyton and a championship.

SF has dominant O-line, great defense, great RB, and great TE. Manning + 1 or 2 mid range WRs make them an instant SB favorite. I just flat out don't get the lack of interest there. Maybe it is an NFC thing for Manning and maybe SF really does have faith in Alex Smith. I guess I should be glad that doesn't all happen as a Giants fan...but I guess too I want an explanation as to why it's not happening, because it just makes too much sense not to...y'know?

Yea I mostly understand the process of restructuring contracts.

 

My point was the new media deal will help the cap situation is the upcoming years.

Yes, the cap increase will certainly help consume any potential cap hit we'd take...but at the end of the day, we'd still take a hit for cutting said players.

Didn't they bench Freeman last year? He could have a shot there.

Don't recall seeing that if they did. Admittedly, I don't follow TB all that closely. If so, I'd understand a little more the desire for Carr to head there.

If he were going to leave for more money Tampa Bay would be a good option. I don't think they are as bad as their record indicated last year, They are making moves this offseason, Mike Sullivan is now the OC there.

 

and he's already got a ring.

With getting the guys they have thus far, it definitely looks like the place to be for FA. I too think that TB is on the upswing whereas Atlanta is falling and New Orleans is just treading water.

Not if youre not contributing to it more than holding a clipbaord. If I were Carr, Id run for the money.

I'd have to see how much more I'd be making. If it's me, I'd take slightly less to stay with a SB/playoff calibur team.

Not quite, Jerry Reese knows what he's doing, and by then some of our guys can be cut without much of a cap hit. Like Canty, Rolle, Diehl etc...

 

It's really not a big deal as long as we resign some of our homegrown core guys. Nicks, Phillips, JPP, Cruz etc...

Restructuring by means of converting salary to bonus money, like Eli did...only worsens the cap hit in out years. Look up my post on T2's deal where I went through it all.

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Vikings reached agreement with former Seahawks tight end John Carslon on a five-year, $25 million deal.

Just saw on espn that he cut his meeting short with KC to head to Minnesota where he was expected to sign. Didn't think we were in the market for any big name TE...just someone to hold the fort until Ballard comes back and a draft pick develops.

I give you props on being impartial when discussing rivals. I hope they all flat out suck....lol

Don't get me wrong, I hope they draft RG3, and he promptly gets hit by a fucking truck, thereby ruining his NFL career forever, and as such, screwing the Redskins right up their own ass...the only thing that'd be better is if JPP was said truck...but I try to be objective when discussing a rival's acquisitions.

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I guess, but a chance at winning a championship should mean something, don't ya think?

Eh, with Peyton not having Wayne to join him and Marshall leaving, I think it leaves Miami a bit undesireable if I'm Manning.

Tough to say who's the favorite now, but I still can't believe that San Francisco isn't making more of a push. I don't see Alex Smith being the guy. The team didn't have great WRs, but they certainly didn't have a great QB either.

missed it yesterday, but they were resigned as well. Just some depth guys in the secondary and some ST guys, but was hoping we'd see them again.

We'll see how talented Garcon really is on his own accord compared to how good Peyton made him look. I'm not overly worried about Garcon and Josh Morgan....they don't scare me all that much.

That said, they're not bad pickups for the Redskins. They're not the big, flashy names that the Redskins are known for getting. I think they may have overpaid Garcon a bit, but if they think he can contribute at a high level for RG3, than I can't be too critical.

Do the "option" years affect salary if we choose not to pick up the option? Not totally sure how that works, we obviously would not be paying the guy but does that money still count against the cap?

I'd assume that the salary in the option years would not count against the cap in the option years unless the option was actually picked up by the team and/or player. As for original bonus money, I don't know if that's prorated over the base agreement or if that's prorated over the base agreement + option years.

Might have to keep an eye on T2's deal on spotrac given the Giants have an option to release him after 1 year. Not sure how that'd affect his 11 million guaranteed in regards to the cap. Would that bonus get accelerated into next year, thereby all but forcing the Giants to pick up the option? Is that where injury settlements come in to play? Don't know.

So you go from backing up Eli to backing up Freeman....not sure why you'd make that jump.

That's what I thought, thanks. So even tax-wise these guys aren't giving up a dime.

Not in the general sense, no.

As suggested above though, it's possible that some teams ask a player to give up a portion overall, in order to guarantee a larger percentage. So, if originally a 5 year deal for $20 million with a $5 million signing bonus...often quoted as 5 year deal with $5 million guaranteed...potentially worth $25 million total.

This deal could be restructured at a cost to the player for say $2 million to up the signing bonus to $12 million. Therefore, the deal becomes 5 year deal for $18 million with a $12 million signing bonus. In some cases, a player would be willing to do this to guarantee their receipt of the $$ regardless of whether or not they're cut/traded.

Anyone know if the "restructured" players get the cash up front, or do they actually spread out the payments over the years ie. is it just an accounting procedure?

Generally speaking, it becomes an upfront, guaranteed, bonus-like payment that for cap-accounting purposes, is prorated out over the remaining years of the contract.

Which almost never happens, unless you are about to be cut. The players are always restructuring because it's actually better for them financially. Maybe you loose a little bit of money but then all the rest is guaranteed.

That could be the avenue the Giants go down with Rolle and maybe Canty. We'll guarantee X dollars now, but overall you'll get paid less. So essentially the player decides to pay x dollars to guarantee a larger portion of their contract.

Thanks for educating us Roc. I'm scratching my head over the size of Rolle's and Canty's contracts. Not saying they're not good players.. they are... but they seem to be getting paid at pro-bowl levels and in turn is handicapping the organization from signing solid players.

It's not easy putting that in writing, but you're welcome. Those big contracts are ones we're likely stuck with this season unless they agree to pay cuts, not just restructuring.

3-4 edge rusher, wouldn't really be a fit with us.

 

 

Personally I'd love to see Boss back, but would still want a high draft pick on a TE like Fleener.

We carried 3 TE last year, right? Beckem, Ballard, and Pascoe.

Who's the odd man out once Ballard retrurns from injury...Ballard, Pascoe, draft pick, veteran FA? For the sake of discussion here, I'm assuming Beckem is as good as gone.

My guess is they knew this shit was gonna hit the fan when the made the trade. I'm betting they're basically throwing this season and even the next and will come out of this in a very good shape in 2014.. 2015 by then RG3 is a vet and they will be ready to take off.

They have that potential with RG3 and Helu. But I think you're assuming that the rest of the team will remain the same until then. The veterans who are on the team now will all be 3 years further in their careers too, without much ability afforded to the Redskins to replace/upgrade talent that falls off.

IF the Redskins can find a couple of starters, just 2 or 3 solid guys in the later rounds of this year and next...it'll ease the transition to RG3 greatly. Otherwise, it'd be a lot of potential wasted for more than a few players.

Ummmmm.......that is not simple. Especially not for math retards like myself.

You need only remember that for cap purposes, salary hits in the year it's for and bonus is divided out evenly over the remaining years of the contract. From there, it's only addition/subtraction to compare what the player is at now vs. what they'd be at given a proposed change to their contract.

If you put it on paper in numerical form, it's much, much easier to understand than trying to read through someone's post.

I absolutely love that we are bringing TT back. However, I think it's a terrible idea letting Aaron Ross walk. We're talking about a position that several of the dudes we had on the roster at the end of the year, weren't on the roster at the beginning of the year....

 

It's a position that got decimated by some pretty devastating injuries and Aaron Ross, IMO, is probably one of your most improved players on either side of the ball. He looked like garbage at the beginning of the year but by the end, our secondary was shutting down receivers and Ross was a big part of that....I can't see us resigning him for a long term contract, however, and I'm guessing that's why we won't be bringing him back.

I agree that he was of more value than what a lot of Giants fans gave him credit for. Given the choice between Ross and T2 though, I would've gone with T2 as well. I think Ross is similar to Manningham in that he's the 3rd best guy on his team at his position, is a free agent, and could easily be a #2 elsewhere (and get paid as such). For that reason, I didn't expect either one to return. If the FA market isn't interested in them, would I like them back? Absolutely, but not at #2 money.