Tempest

How long can we complain about this? Its been over 6 months and unfortunately the ramifications continue to this day. I'm not saying we sweep it under the rug, just focus on something else. Am I the only person still hopeful that this can still work out instead of cripple us for the next 4-5 years? I try to find the silver lining in all things, right now I'm looking at Williams on a 1 year tender at a ridiculous price and the Giants realize this year we shouldn't give him 4 more years at anywhere near this amount if at all. I'd like to think we'll all be eating crow on this deal because Williams plays lights out this year (doubtful).

It's crying over spilled milk.

I think this was Dave Gettleman's worst draft. Did some reaching and I won't talk about his failure to address the pass rush because he has been drafting them and they need to start producing before we start replacing them; It's just too soon. I think they could have done better than Peart in the third round and the third day picks were just equally disappointing. I will be surprised if they're on the team in September and this will be the nail in Dave Gettleman's career. I hope he proves me wrong.

I'm getting tired of these threads. Get over it already its been done and it was his decision to make. Hard to call it a huge blunder based on 8 games and a massive salary cap hit yet I have yet to see the fruits of this trade like the rest of you. Under a different coach and he performs like Richard Seymour is everyone going to shut the fuck up about it? Nope because it was only one year. Gotta let it play out because we don't have a choice.

Looks like they brought back Jerry Reese to run the third day draft picks. 3 Linebackers, CB, and an OG.

only has one good year of work and not the only one dropping either.

Giants did win a super bowl with a three safety set so that is also a possibility. I'll let you all figure out which one.

Guess this means Love is moving back to CB which is not a bad thing. I do wonder if McKinney is the eventual successor to Peppers simply because I don't see McKinney as the sideline to sideline high free safety we're still missing.

Better turn into Richard Seymour this year or he'll be learning how to live out of the NFL in two years.

Not sold on Peppers yet, I still see him as a salary cap fill in player. I know that Gettleman has him down as one of his core players but I wonder if Judge & Graham does.

Have to go after Zach Baun here, we need the help. It is tempting to go after another OT but I think it is a luxury to draft two offensive tackles this year. I would see Love get more action in at Safety because I think he can be the answer at the position.

Giants are not drafting the guy who just plays RT for the next 4 years.

I think he would have gone with Wirfs and moved him to TE

Andrew Thomas was the best offensive tackle period. He started his college career at RT and all he did was run block like a freight train for two seasons. Then he moved over to LT and got better at pass protection. He didn't forget how to block like a freight train for the running game. His offense ran play action and ran the ball. The NY Giants want to run the ball and play action pass. Andrew Thomas is the perfect fit. Every other offensive tackle was either a project, or just a RT or eventually just a Guard. We gave Reese hell for going after athletes over football players, Thomas is a football player.

I bet we redraft Lawrence Taylor, fans will be happy for hours before they realize the NFL draft got hacked.

Thus begins the saddest day of the year for fans. Spent all that time creating the perfect 7 round draft for your team and that idiot of a GM (Guys not named Belichick) just guaranteed a trip to the bottom of the division again. If we only lost one more game we could have had that guy who is getting measurements taken for his gold jacket. Hope we take Andrew Thomas, I think he will be great.

lets see what the papernews has to say

Not a fan of trading down if all we get is some late third day pick. Moving down two - three spots for what a sixth round pick maybe this year? Pass.

Blue mentioned Peppers being a UFA in 2021. Fleming is here because of the offensive coordinator and the offensive line coach. Leonard Williams is here because of the general manager. Glasgow and Baluga are two free agents among many this off season that cashed in that could have easily come here to fill in holes on the roster. Those players will probably be off on rosters a lot closer to the playoffs than the Giants are right now.

The next guy up when it comes to Peppers, it is that simple. I think there is a lot of talent on this team, certainly more on offense than defense. Do you know the difference between the 2004 6-10 team and the 2007 10-6 team offensive lines? Two players. I think we are really that close to finally getting it right. I'd like to see a 12-4 team a lot sooner!

I'll take Solder over Flowers any day of the week at Tackle, Ogletree was the best linebacker we've had in years which speaks volumes, etc. For all the flack that Solder gets deservedly he has not hid from it, he owns it while Flowers never wanted to hear it and ran from it. There is talent but it has to come together or you just have individuals not a team. Peppers staying or going is irrelevant because he was brought in to replace Collins and that was a salary cap move as well. We could have paid Collins what he asked and still be a 4-12 team.

If the coaches are wrong about players, fail to coach them up or utilize them to play at their best, then you will not see the expected results. Giants signed a lot of players the last two years who were between marginal and ineffective. Giants signed quite a few former Cardinals to fix the defense and it just did not work. The success Bettcher had in the NFC West was not duplicated in the NFC East. Giants have correctly identified the offensive line that it needed to be fixed. The Giants haven't stopped for the last two years trying to fix it. Couldn't fix it in one year. Didn't get it right and had to cut some loose and bring in new players. Some guys are stop gap players and others are hopefully long term solutions. Solder was the best tackle available at the time and everyone knew going in he was average then and yet expecting a top 5 tackle? Now back to Williams, Gettleman sees something very few do, as to what that may be is everyone else's guess. Can't defend that decision but will see how it plays out. LOL is there anyone you don't want to whine about this offseason? Pulley started 10 games for the Giants and Fleming was just signed.

Really surprised at how the pass rusher market has played out this off season. It isn't just Clowney that is asking for a lot of money, they all are. Everyone wants what Demarcus Lawrence got last season. So who can we blame besides Jerry Jones.

Not going to see much of an improvement when you missed on the head coach.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/10/giants-mailbag-top-offensive-challenge-facing-jason-garrett/ We all know that the Giants’ O-line has been a horror for many years now. … How much of the Giants’ O-line problems were due to poor coaching (including stubbornly keeping Ereck Flowers as a tackle)? And with [Jason] Garrett as the new OC in tandem with his trusted O-line coach [Marc Colombo] who have a track record of developing stout offensive lines, is it reasonable or wishful thinking that we will see improved performance from the unit? — Bob Donnelly Two valid questions. I put the blame on the failures of Ereck Flowers mostly on Flowers. He did not work hard enough to fix his glaring technique issues despite getting excellent coaching early in his career. Have you considered the front office (i.e. former GM Jerry Reese) did not want Flowers moved inside to guard because it would make his selection with the No. 9-overall pick look bad? One of the real disappointments of the Pat Shurmur regime was that it became evident he did not put together a strong staff. I do not think offensive line coach Hal Hunter was a good fit with Flowers.