BlueInCanada

It's interesting to think that the Giants literally lie on the brink of 5-11 or 11-5 and it's all up to Eli. If Eli continues to play how he has the Giants will fall to a losing record there is no doubt about it. We do not have the veteran leadership on the team to over come the offensive woes. The defense can do it's job all it wants but if Eli is turning the ball over 20 times plus in another season then the Giants wont make the playoffs. However if Eli snaps into a grove and steps his play up the Giants can easily roll over most teams in the league and finish with a winning record and a play off birth. It's odd to think as well of the consequences of Eli's play. If Eli plays bad and the Giants fail to make the playoffs, does that mean TC is done with? As well do the Giants start looking at other QB options if Eli does regress? Do free agent players leave the Giants since they are no longer contenders? What about Fewell? Does he get a shot at head coach if we go threw a losing season. Like I said it's odd to think the Giants might become a team like the St.Louis or Miami, not really in contention but trying to get back on track. And it all depends on Eli.

Honestly during the draft I was (one of) the most critical on this board about the JPP pick and I know for a fact no one has ever said this about him.

A player gets hurt in the preseaon all you hear is "HURRR DURRR WE DONT NEED A PRESEASON!!!!!" A player gets hurt in the beginning of the regular season "DUUURRRR WE SHOULD HAVE MORE PRESEASON GAMES SO THEY CAN GET READY!!!!" It happens every season.

It's almost like the coaches and players didnt have a full offseason to practice and get back into football shape.

With the luck the Giants have, Eli will tear every muscle in his shoulder, Bradshaw will tear both knee ligaments and Tuck will break something in a touch game.

Yeah Gruden has a thing for Eli, ever since that playoff win in '07. I recall a broadcast last season were Gruden went on and on about how Eli controlled that playoff game against Tampa and how he watched him mature to a SB MVP in that very game. Chucky is a well addition to the broadcast booth, hope he never leaves.

This is what saddens me about the NFL now a days, the lack of any sort of loyalty. You rarely see a player spend his entire career with the team that drafted him unless he is pro-bowler or a perennial HoFer. I know it's a two way street that players leave teams all the time for big deals, looking for the money but at the same time you see it alot of times when teams let players go mainly because it's a good "business choice" Would of loved to Seubert retire in Blue, same with O'hara.

You know loyalty had been dead in the NFL for the last 20 years right?

Plus I mean what else is Eli going to say in that situation? "Oh Yeah I'm a horrible QB compared to Tom Brady, he's A tier I'm more of a B- tier QB" Obviously Eli is going to say he's in the same class as Brady, you gotta admire the confidence. It's the same thing as during the SB when Plax was asked "What is the score going to be for the game" Obviously Plax is going to give the winning favor to the Giants. It's just the press putting players into a position where if they answer, they stir something up, if they dont answer they still stir something up. In this case when Eli said he thinks he's in the same class they can go on for acouple days about it, but is he said it wasnt then the press could go on about how Eli doesnt have confidence. It's just the press being the press.

He has three SBs, two time SB MVP, multiple pro-bowls, two time NFL MVP, was a part of a perfect (regular) season and is a sure fire first ballot HoF QB. Honestly what more can he improve on?

Blackburn will never let you down!

Sorry Chase but I'm never gonna give you up!

See this is Jack logic. I never once said Tynes was better but he goes on a hissy fit of "Hurr durp you proved me wrong so I'm gonna avoid the argument entirely" This is why no one on here takes you seriously Jack, you are proven wrong time after time yet you always try to cover up by changing the subject entirely. Is Tynes a good kicker? No, I never said that even though you had to bring him into the discussion, why? Is Carney the answer? Fuck no he's retired and out of football, plus since leaving the Giants he's kicking game has gone to hell 18 for 23 in two years, or 73%.

Dont worry Jack will come back with some Jack logic that we have all come to know.

Once again Jack is delusional. Here are the kick off stats for the 2008 season. Link Carney was ranked 43 out of all the kickers in average kickoff yards with only three touch backs the entire season. Out of the 79 kickoffs that Carney made, 73 were returned with the average of them making 21 yards. The reason Carney made the pro-bowl wasnt his kick off ability in fact he was in the bottom half of the league in terms of kick offs, he made the pro bowl because he made 35 out of 39 kicks, with the highest field goal kicking percentage in the league.

I think of Steve Smith like I would Wes Welker. Sure there are alot more WRs in the league better then Welker but at the end of the day Tom Brady throws to him more then any other WR on the team. Steve Smith might not have been our best WR but he was the only WR who Eli has felt comfortable with so far. I say so far because I hope Nicks becomes that new security blanket for Eli like Smith was.

So can we tell Osi to fuck off now? We got JPP.

Nicks dropping a ball. Smith would of caught it. Just saying.

Wait are you saying you don't like Jack posting 300 threads on things that are already in threads? Cause the rest of us love it.

The special teams look like they are in 2010 shape. Good to see..........................

He was against Olsen, one of the better pass catching TEs in the league. Lets hope it's just the rookie jitters.

Sash giving up the TD.

O-line looked good though in it's first series. Have to see what they can do against a better DE tandem though.

Eli missing the wide open throw.

Bradshaw still holding that ball low.