Allstarjim Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 He's a guy that is borderline 1st or 2nd rounder. He doesn't represent value at 19 for the Giants, but I think would be highway robbery in the 2nd. And he probably won't be there for us. Anyway... Bigblue25... thoughts on Minter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Well considering that he looks like he can play LB in the NFL, I imagine our scouting department is going to rate him as low as possible on their draft boards and instead waste a 5th and 6th on acouple LBs who might develop into special team players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashTalker92 Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 One scouting report states " .... leads to one issue, which is that he may not be immediately ready to play all three downs as he has a long way to go in coverage." we need a guy that can man the line and cover.... this is why we always have issue's with fast TE in the league... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 He's a thumper, I've talked about him before, like TT said, he has issues in coverage. He might fit better in 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 If we're picking a MLB in the 1st, it better be at least an Ulracher type... otherwise, it's not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 A lot of the write ups about guys from scouts, we make too much of them. If he has the speed and quickness, the coverage stuff can be taught. Not to mention, these pre-draft scout write-ups are quite often dead wrong anyway. I think a guy who will play physical at the line is important. The Redskins won the division because the could run the ball right down our throats. It's important we have a player that isn't completely one dimensional, but right now I want a guy who is going to hit Alfred Morris and knock him backward. Not sure if that's Minter or not, but that's our challenge. Shit, I'd even try Kiwi at MLB right now if it meant Morris didn't rip off 7 yard runs on us every damn carry, lol... only half-joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashTalker92 Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 RB nowadays are fast and powerful. remember the days when a DB can manhandle a RB as long as they can catch up to them.. well now we have guys who are heavy and light on the feet. As far as stopping the run, i believe that starts with the Front line. a awesome DT that make sure a RB can't go straight and have to dance around, cutting to the side, given our LB time to aim and tackle. I think LB aren't as important a position anymore. hell i could be wrong. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 I just think we should draft a DE to play linebacker for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 TT, the problem with your theory is you have 5 OL and 4 DL. Most of the time, it's up to the linebackers to stop the running backs. Look at the Redskins... they are going to run the zone read option. In my example, say JPP has to stay at home and play the QB. He's still going to have an OT and a TE possibly, to double him. Then you have a Center and Guard doubling Linval, the other guard on Canty, and the RT on Tuck, unless it's a 2 TE set, then Tuck might be getting chipped by the other TE as well. So unless somebody beats the double, or Canty is able to beat his guy, you need a LB that can fill that gap and not get run over for 4 yards. And one preferably, that can shed a fullback quickly and still do the job. You can get a dominant DT and still have this same problem. You can see a lot of what I'm talking about in this video. The DT's are for the most part out of the plays. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000105648/Giants-vs-Redskins-highlights We need someone physical with instincts to shoot that gap. Now, Minter isn't the pick at 19. But if he is somehow available at our pick in the second, I'd be all over him, I like him better than Te'o. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 I just think we should draft a DE to play linebacker for us. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashTalker92 Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 TT, the problem with your theory is you have 5 OL and 4 DL. Most of the time, it's up to the linebackers to stop the running backs. Look at the Redskins... they are going to run the zone read option. In my example, say JPP has to stay at home and play the QB. He's still going to have an OT and a TE possibly, to double him. Then you have a Center and Guard doubling Linval, the other guard on Canty, and the RT on Tuck, unless it's a 2 TE set, then Tuck might be getting chipped by the other TE as well. So unless somebody beats the double, or Canty is able to beat his guy, you need a LB that can fill that gap and not get run over for 4 yards. And one preferably, that can shed a fullback quickly and still do the job. You can get a dominant DT and still have this same problem. You can see a lot of what I'm talking about in this video. The DT's are for the most part out of the plays. http://www.nfl.com/v...kins-highlights We need someone physical with instincts to shoot that gap. Now, Minter isn't the pick at 19. But if he is somehow available at our pick in the second, I'd be all over him, I like him better than Te'o. wow.. just got schooled.. thanks for the info... yeah lot of what you say do make a bunch of sense.. but if we can get pressure from our DT, they will be force to double team one or both of our DT. that's just a fantasy. the Lions used to have this type of pressure from Suh, then they took Fairly and thought that line will be insane. but QB just throw quick short passes and totally kill any pressure from their DT.. ok. we need a crazy ass LB.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 A lot of the write ups about guys from scouts, we make too much of them. If he has the speed and quickness, the coverage stuff can be taught. Not to mention, these pre-draft scout write-ups are quite often dead wrong anyway. I think a guy who will play physical at the line is important. The Redskins won the division because the could run the ball right down our throats. It's important we have a player that isn't completely one dimensional, but right now I want a guy who is going to hit Alfred Morris and knock him backward. Not sure if that's Minter or not, but that's our challenge. Shit, I'd even try Kiwi at MLB right now if it meant Morris didn't rip off 7 yard runs on us every damn carry, lol... only half-joking. Yea I'm not sure tacking licking the qb with the back of your shoulder is a good technique though... this is football 101. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 Even worse, TT, did you see that play, I think it was at 2:30, where the whole line just did a slant right, just ignored Osi, so if RGIII keeps it, he has Osi one on one. If Osi collapses down, RGIII easily beats him to the edge. If he doesn't, it just goes up the middle, Morris runs right by Osi. Then you have 5 blockers, plus one or two TE's, and they are all attacking the Giants defense, with Osi out of the play, so that means if you don't have a safety in the box, you are screwed. They have a great system going in Washington. Hopefully, RGIII isn't as fast and dangerous coming off of this knee injury. I think we need to shore up the entire LB corps. We need guys who love being physical, love to hit people. I'm still searching for that guy. So far, in my research, the only guy I've seen on film that really loves to hit and the contact is Sam Montgomery. I want to see violence of action, what Tom Coughlin would say. I'm not looking at players that I already know aren't going to be at our pick, like Bjoern Werner, who is like another JJ Watt. But videos I've seen of Alec Ogletree, Jon Bostic, and even Minter, to a degree, I want to see a little more. Minter seems to be the most physical I've seen so far. Bigblue25 got me on Okafor, who I also like off the edge, he has the look, for sure. Other mocks have Okafor going in the 2nd. Soon, I could take a look at DT's. A big monster DT can't hurt, TT. WalterFootball has us mocked to take Shariff Floyd out of UF in the 2nd. Haven't watched any video of him yet, he's 6'3" and 298. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 Yea I'm not sure tacking licking the qb with the back of your shoulder is a good technique though... this is football 101. True, I never make an evaluation of a guy off of just one play, though. That one did not look good, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 True, I never make an evaluation of a guy off of just one play, though. That one did not look good, though. I do.. and I could be wrong of course.. I've always resented players who don't wrap up... or tackle while losing sight of the guy they're supposed to be tackling.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 Some of you guys (not necessarily you) said that about Von Miller, Prince! I was all over that guy early, posted some videos, and got the snarky comments about how he didn't wrap up, tackle fundamentally! Got to see more of the body of work. Everyone has a bad play. Von Miller turned out to be one of the best players in that draft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Some of you guys (not necessarily you) said that about Von Miller, Prince! I was all over that guy early, posted some videos, and got the snarky comments about how he didn't wrap up, tackle fundamentally! Got to see more of the body of work. Everyone has a bad play. Von Miller turned out to be one of the best players in that draft! Wasn't me... I don't really pay much attention to college football anyway... I let the experts handle that. It's just that I saw that play and wondered.. wtf that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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