BIGBLUE01 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 the dog is wondering how you define him "fucking up"? with an untested bum knee, he signed a one year deal to make 2-4 million. sounds like he made himself the best deal he could temporarily. if he plays and is effective, he gets a huge payday with whatever team wants to pay him next year. if his knee is bum and he can't play, he got himself 2 million...the giants didn't want to gamble, so he did what he had to. the dog is pretty sure he will be just as happy being paid in that uniform as he would have been anywhere else... and not sure why people think the eagles will rush him back...they may be looking at him the same way the giants were - ride it out until midyear and let him have an impact down the stretch and into the postseason. He fucked up because there was a HUGE offer (making him one of the top 5 highest paid WRs in the league) on the table BEFORE his injury from the Giants. He turned it down hoping to get a bigger offer elsewhere. He then got injured and no one wants to pay him top money. His time with the egirls isnt even guaranteed after this yr. And he got 2 MILLION??? Thats nothing compared to what he could have had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksm7 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 He fucked up because there was a HUGE offer (making him one of the top 5 highest paid WRs in the league) on the table BEFORE his injury from the Giants. He turned it down hoping to get a bigger offer elsewhere. He then got injured and no one wants to pay him top money. His time with the egirls isnt even guaranteed after this yr. And he got 2 MILLION??? Thats nothing compared to what he could have had. not so much that he f'd up then, just had bad luck with the injury. if it is true what mara said, then the dog assumes two things - smith thought some team would overpay for him (and probably would have) at that time, so he wanted to play the market and why wouldn't he...two, he had no great desire to play for the giants anymore. so goes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBLUE01 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 not so much that he f'd up then, just had bad luck with the injury. if it is true what mara said, then the dog assumes two things - smith thought some team would overpay for him (and probably would have) at that time, so he wanted to play the market and why wouldn't he...two, he had no great desire to play for the giants anymore. so goes... How would he have no desire to play for the Giants anymore? He won a SB here in his rookie yr. He was loved by the fans and the organization. He was going to be a top 5 paid WR when in actuality, he's not top 5. He got greedy and it backfired on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 not so much that he f'd up then, just had bad luck with the injury. if it is true what mara said, then the dog assumes two things - smith thought some team would overpay for him (and probably would have) at that time, so he wanted to play the market and why wouldn't he...two, he had no great desire to play for the giants anymore. so goes... You know.. having loyalty to a team that drafted you.. a team like the Giants that's regarded as one of the best organizations in the NFL.. having loyalty means something... in that sense alone.. he fucked up.. and fucked himself up in the process. He went to an Eagles team that will be in cap hell next season.. he's not ready to play.. even if he feels he is.. but oh well. I like our chances against anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 You know.. having loyalty to a team that drafted you.. a team like the Giants that's regarded as one of the best organizations in the NFL.. having loyalty means something... in that sense alone.. he fucked up.. and fucked himself up in the process. He went to an Eagles team that will be in cap hell next season.. he's not ready to play.. even if he feels he is.. but oh well. I like our chances against anyone. You know loyalty had been dead in the NFL for the last 20 years right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 You know loyalty had been dead in the NFL for the last 20 years right? Yea I know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBLUE01 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 You know loyalty had been dead in the NFL for the last 20 years right? So its about money then, right? So why wouldnt he show loyalty to a team that he was drafted by AND wanted to pay him top dollar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted August 18, 2011 Author Share Posted August 18, 2011 sad story this. John Mara said they had put a huge contract in font of Steve and his agent last year and the agent nixed it just before Steve received what could well have been a career ending catastrophic injury. Too bad...........that's life.....no one said it was fair but they had their shot and blew it. Who from Minn took out Steve's knee BTW.....I'd like to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksm7 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 You know.. having loyalty to a team that drafted you.. a team like the Giants that's regarded as one of the best organizations in the NFL.. having loyalty means something... in that sense alone.. he fucked up.. and fucked himself up in the process. He went to an Eagles team that will be in cap hell next season.. he's not ready to play.. even if he feels he is.. but oh well. I like our chances against anyone. Nas, the dog thinks people have to give up this notion of sports loyalty. Most to all of these guys have loyalty to a point, and that point has to do with the highest bidder. They are loyal to the dollar, and quite frankly, who can blame them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksm7 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 How would he have no desire to play for the Giants anymore? He won a SB here in his rookie yr. He was loved by the fans and the organization. He was going to be a top 5 paid WR when in actuality, he's not top 5. He got greedy and it backfired on him. The dog thinks you answered your own question...if he is getting an offer to pay him as a top 5 receiver, what reason would he have to go out shopping? The money wouldn't get much more and he knows that, which one can then assume he had no real die hard need to be a giant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Nas, the dog thinks people have to give up this notion of sports loyalty. Most to all of these guys have loyalty to a point, and that point has to do with the highest bidder. They are loyal to the dollar, and quite frankly, who can blame them... I understand what you're saying.. and in total agreement. I guess it's the fan in me that's loyal. Steve in that Eagle's uni looks weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksm7 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I understand what you're saying.. and in total agreement. I guess it's the fan in me that's loyal. Steve in that Eagle's uni looks weird. it's one of the frustrations for fans. the dog would say there are some players who do swear allegiance to the team and may take less to stay with an organization, but it is few and far between. fans take it so hard - the dog always has to laugh when you see a team lose in the playoffs or to a rival, and as they are wrapping up coverage, you see players from the losing team laughing it up with players they know from the winning team on the field. of course the dog thinks they all want to win, but it is almost secondary for a lot of these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBLUE01 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 The dog thinks you answered your own question...if he is getting an offer to pay him as a top 5 receiver, what reason would he have to go out shopping? The money wouldn't get much more and he knows that, which one can then assume he had no real die hard need to be a giant... Thats ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 not so much that he f'd up then, just had bad luck with the injury. if it is true what mara said, then the dog assumes two things - smith thought some team would overpay for him (and probably would have) at that time, so he wanted to play the market and why wouldn't he...two, he had no great desire to play for the giants anymore. so goes... Deciding to forgo the guarantee and security of a long-term deal in the hopes of finding a few more dollars after the season, then getting injured and ruining your market value is more than just "bad luck". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Deciding to forgo the guarantee and security of a long-term deal in the hopes of finding a few more dollars after the season, then getting injured and ruining your market value is more than just "bad luck". Also one can argue had he signed the deal, he probably wouldn't have suffered that devastating injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Also one can argue had he signed the deal, he probably wouldn't have suffered that devastating injury. How can you (logically) argue that? Chaos theory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 How can you (logically) argue that? Chaos theory? Kindda his destiny might've taken a different turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksm7 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Thats ridiculous. ok...so the dog is sure you have another explanation as to why a non-top 5 receiver would decline an offer to be paid as a top 5 receiver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBLUE01 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 ok...so the dog is sure you have another explanation as to why a non-top 5 receiver would decline an offer to be paid as a top 5 receiver? No I dont. Which is why its ridiculous. Youre comin in here trying to make it seem like its so normal that he would do that, and we just dont get it. Why would he just not wanna be a Giant? Especially after winning a SB and getting offered top money? If he didnt want to after all that, than hes ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 No I dont. Which is why its ridiculous. Youre comin in here trying to make it seem like its so normal that he would do that, and we just dont get it. Why would he just not wanna be a Giant? Especially after winning a SB and getting offered top money? If he didnt want to after all that, than hes ridiculous. I bet that by around this time in 2012 Steve Smith has a new agent.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBLUE01 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 I bet that by around this time in 2012 Steve Smith has a new agent.... Agreed. Hes gotta be kickin himself in the ass right about now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksm7 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 No I dont. Which is why its ridiculous. Youre comin in here trying to make it seem like its so normal that he would do that, and we just dont get it. Why would he just not wanna be a Giant? Especially after winning a SB and getting offered top money? If he didnt want to after all that, than hes ridiculous. the dog never said it made sense. the dog is just saying if you are offered a lucrative contract that won't be topped (unless the raiders decided to overpay extensively for him, which is always possible), then what other explanation is there? not that he may have been dying to leave NY, but if he loved it so much and was given that offer, then he would sign it...because whatever offer came in from any other team wasn't going to be that much more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBLUE01 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 the dog never said it made sense. the dog is just saying if you are offered a lucrative contract that won't be topped (unless the raiders decided to overpay extensively for him, which is always possible), then what other explanation is there? not that he may have been dying to leave NY, but if he loved it so much and was given that offer, then he would sign it...because whatever offer came in from any other team wasn't going to be that much more... Yeah, I guess that could tell you he didnt want to play in NY. So my thought is, if he did get offerd that contract, won a SB and was loved by fans here.....Steve Smith is the stupidest person on the face of this earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 the dog never said it made sense. the dog is just saying if you are offered a lucrative contract that won't be topped (unless the raiders decided to overpay extensively for him, which is always possible), then what other explanation is there? not that he may have been dying to leave NY, but if he loved it so much and was given that offer, then he would sign it...because whatever offer came in from any other team wasn't going to be that much more... Well obviously he and his agent thought otherwise or were hoping for better terms (more guaranteed money). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksm7 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Well obviously he and his agent thought otherwise or were hoping for better terms (more guaranteed money). possibly, but when you are offered a contract to make you one of the highest paid receivers in the league, and you are not quite in that category, then something is pushing you away...the dog is just saying, if he loved the giants and was given that offer, he signs. the money and terms would not be much different or better and he and his agent would have known this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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