flyinryan Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 yes ! phil sims didnt have a career stellar completion % either. expect for the 86 super bowl ! Yeah, and funny how he got a lot of heat early on in his career and look at what happened. Let those annoying FAGS criticize him. They will look even more stupider in the end. They are so annoying. It's like someone using the bathroom for a number 2 and you keep flushing the toilet but some parts of the number 2 just keeps popping back up. They don't quit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firstnten Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 lets all agree that anyone wanting Collins to replace Manning has an IQ of about 80.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relyoneli Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 Yeah, and funny how he got a lot of heat early on in his career and look at what happened. Let those annoying FAGS criticize him. They will look even more stupider in the end. They are so annoying. It's like someone using the bathroom for a number 2 and you keep flushing the toilet but some parts of the number 2 just keeps popping back up. They don't quit. Crude analogy, but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUND Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 lets all agree that anyone wanting Collins to replace Manning has an IQ of about 80.. 80 seems high in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Carbo Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 All agreed that we are excited about Eli Manning!We all agreed that his accuracy must improve but it wont be a problem as he will continue to get better and with the Giants going after more Defense this will only make life easier for Eli . Is the Giants defense going to help Eli to learn how to pass? You know, get his mechanics down so that he can throw a football with a spiral? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Carbo Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 lets all agree that anyone wanting Manning has an IQ of about 80..OK. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420 Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 OK. Agreed. Ass breath- Come over to the GD and see what you started with your lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firstnten Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 OK. Agreed. Fuck off.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firstnten Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 Ass breath- Come over to the GD and see what you started with your lies. yeah carbo loves the cock... and mouthfulls of ass porridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420 Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 yeah carbo loves the cock... and mouthfulls of ass porridge The Carbo diet....fit for a queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gspotter Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 No need to be alarmed, yes John Elway and Marino were great improvisors, but Eli does play very well when he maintains proper technique. He's young and only now can we call him experienced. If he falters, then we'll know soon. if he thrives, then we'll know that he was still green. I've seen what you all saw and the most important part is still the winning attitude like we saw against Dever. He's a maturing leader who needs to improve. As for throwing out the baby with the bath water, well, I'll side with Bill Walsh who said, "show me a QB's footwork and I'll tell you whether that team won the game or not!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Floyd The Barber Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 No need to be alarmed, yes John Elway and Marino were great improvisors, but Eli does play very well when he maintains proper technique. He's young and only now can we call him experienced. If he falters, then we'll know soon. if he thrives, then we'll know that he was still green. I've seen what you all saw and the most important part is still the winning attitude like we saw against Dever. He's a maturing leader who needs to improve. As for throwing out the baby with the bath water, well, I'll side with Bill Walsh who said, "show me a QB's footwork and I'll tell you whether that team won the game or not!" best post in a long time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gspotter Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 I think (in the end) we're all in the same boat: high hopes, a reasonable amount of concern, and the desire to erase that last SB from our minds. Nothing would thrill me more than for my son to grow up with a reliable leader in Eli the way I felt about Phil. Those are big shoes to fill and so I think we'll know all we need to know about Eli by the end of this season. In the same way I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, I also don't want to hold on as long as we did with Collins and even Dave Brown. A lot, however, will depend on the run game and the further development of our offensive scheme and receiving core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyinryan Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 Eli will be fine. Accuracy will get better with more experience. He also was starting to notice secondary targets instead of throwing to the target he was intending to throw to before the snap. Eli is a very good QB when it comes to the end of halves. That should tell you a lot. He will keep getting better and better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Floyd The Barber Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 Eli will be fine. Accuracy will get better with more experience. He also was starting to notice secondary targets instead of throwing to the target he was intending to throw to before the snap. Eli is a very good QB when it comes to the end of halves. That should tell you a lot. He will keep getting better and better. the battle-cry of the stupid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 I have to dissagree, he has made several throws where he has been falling backwards or otherwise off balance etc. Yes he threw some bad passes, but I personally think that has more to do with a young QB confused by coverages, inexperience or things along those lines, we've seen him make the tough off balance throws, so to say he can't make them is false. As for toughness, his first year he got beat around a good bit, especially when he got rocked in the Eagles game. Yet he got better towards the last few starts and even winning the Dallas game in dramatic form. To me, that is toughness. I don't think he is unwilling to take a hit, more likely trying to deliver the ball before being hit. He made a ton of bad passes last year, even when he had good protection. When his mechanics aren't picture perfect, he's a horror show. Rewatch the Minnesota game or the Carolina game. Or the 4th quarter of the game at the Linc. Winning the Dallas game in dramatic fashion? We're he threw for 140 yards and 2 INTs and we won 17-10? Ok. Watch his body language when he anticipates a hit coming. He's reluctant to stand in there and deliver the ball. Looks like Joey Harrington at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 for all the eli manning haters... would you rather have alex smith as our qb? Not an Eli hater, but I'd rather have Ben Roethlisberger and Shawne Merriman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK-Giantsfan Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 No need to be alarmed, yes John Elway and Marino were great improvisors, but Eli does play very well when he maintains proper technique. He's young and only now can we call him experienced. If he falters, then we'll know soon. if he thrives, then we'll know that he was still green. I've seen what you all saw and the most important part is still the winning attitude like we saw against Dever. He's a maturing leader who needs to improve. As for throwing out the baby with the bath water, well, I'll side with Bill Walsh who said, "show me a QB's footwork and I'll tell you whether that team won the game or not!" very true ....good post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Floyd The Barber Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 He made a ton of bad passes last year, even when he had good protection. When his mechanics aren't picture perfect, he's a horror show. Rewatch the Minnesota game or the Carolina game. Or the 4th quarter of the game at the Linc. Winning the Dallas game in dramatic fashion? We're he threw for 140 yards and 2 INTs and we won 17-10? Ok. Watch his body language when he anticipates a hit coming. He's reluctant to stand in there and deliver the ball. Looks like Joey Harrington at times. Not an Eli hater, but I'd rather have Ben Roethlisberger and Shawne Merriman agreed !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 No need to be alarmed, yes John Elway and Marino were great improvisors, but Eli does play very well when he maintains proper technique. He's young and only now can we call him experienced. If he falters, then we'll know soon. if he thrives, then we'll know that he was still green. I've seen what you all saw and the most important part is still the winning attitude like we saw against Dever. He's a maturing leader who needs to improve. As for throwing out the baby with the bath water, well, I'll side with Bill Walsh who said, "show me a QB's footwork and I'll tell you whether that team won the game or not!" I don't think he'll falter. I just think his upside is far more limited than people seems to ackowledge. He doesn't have nearly the talent that Marino, Elway, or even Carson Palmer have. I think he'll be a solid pro QB, similar to Trent Green with a longer career as a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gateb Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 He made a ton of bad passes last year, even when he had good protection. When his mechanics aren't picture perfect, he's a horror show. Rewatch the Minnesota game or the Carolina game. Or the 4th quarter of the game at the Linc. Winning the Dallas game in dramatic fashion? We're he threw for 140 yards and 2 INTs and we won 17-10? Ok. Watch his body language when he anticipates a hit coming. He's reluctant to stand in there and deliver the ball. Looks like Joey Harrington at times. Money... he's referring to the Dallas game in the last game of the 04-05 season... at least I hope he is. Eli can look so damn ugly in the pocker some times and then there are other times where he stands in there and makes some very good throws. The best game I could throw out there is Seattle. He had a very solid game on that part and unfortunately, it appeared his game went down from there. Eli needs to fix that footwork problem... it's getting me worried. But he sounds confident and optimistic about his future and if he and our organization feel that way, then I do too. Not an Eli hater, but I'd rather have Ben Roethlisberger and Shawne Merriman There's a chance we could've had a better record if we drafted Ben because if we did, I have a feeling we wouldn't have gotten rid of Warner as quick. Even if we did, who knows what our record would be, but it's not a given Shawne would fall to our spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njsmalls Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Something that concerns me about Eli is that he can't deliver the ball without perfect footwork, which is problematic because successful QBs have to make plays when breakdowns occur. He also seems unwilling to stand in the pocket, take a hit, and deliver the ball ... which leads me to question his toughness. So far, to me, there isn't anything special about him. He's a pretty good pro QB, and he might have Pro Bowl ability. But there's a noticeable gap in natural ability between him and the "special" QBs in football. All you need is a pretty good pro QB to win a championship. At the price we paid for Eli he should be better than that...But, it is paid in full and we have a full draft coming up. I'm getting the feeling you're "lower" on Eli than previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njsmalls Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 I don't think he'll falter. I just think his upside is far more limited than people seems to ackowledge. He doesn't have nearly the talent that Marino, Elway, or even Carson Palmer have. I think he'll be a solid pro QB, similar to Trent Green with a longer career as a starter. I think EA got too happy and he thinks Eli is his next John Elway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gateb Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 All you need is a pretty good pro QB to win a championship. At the price we paid for Eli he should be better than that...But, it is paid in full and we have a full draft coming up. I'm getting the feeling you're "lower" on Eli than previously. Personally, I could care less about MVPs and Pro Bowls and that crap. That's for him, not the franchise and the fans. Sure it's something we could be proud of him for but if he wins Super Bowls, I don't care what we gave up for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 All you need is a pretty good pro QB to win a championship. At the price we paid for Eli he should be better than that...But, it is paid in full and we have a full draft coming up. I'm getting the feeling you're "lower" on Eli than previously. I've never been particularly high on him. But he's yet to display that he has anymore talent than your typical above average starting QB in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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