Would the '86 Giants have beaten the '07 Pats?

[Ditto]

I say yes because everyone was peaking that year, especially Simms and Carl Banks. I even thought that team could have beaten the Bears the year before, and was either psyched out from the Bears rep, or the cold got to them and broke their spirit.

[Virginia Giant]

Absolutely. Not to take anything away from the '07 Giants, if our D from '07 beat them, imagine what what LT, Banks and Co wouuld have done.

 

 

Of course, If we could get get Carson, Banks, and maybe Pepper on the 07 team. Wow.

[BIGBLUE01]

The 86 Giants D would have taken out Osama Bin Laden, thats how bad they were.

[JMFP]

The 86 Giants D would have taken out Osama Bin Laden, thats how bad they were.

 

Nice one.

[hlb37]

 

 

If the '86 Giants had access to the same drugs ( HGH ) as the guys today they would kill them. That was one of the very best Ds of all time.

 

But if you just lined up head to head they would get crushed. I will go look for player stats and see if I can get some OL and DL weights from the '86 team. Who knows maybe I am wrong

 

 

 

[fishgutmartyr]

The thought of Maurice Carthon leading the way for Jacobs and Bradshaw is better than Viagra. How about Eli throwing to a peaking Mark Bavaro? Hell, the Superbowl XXI version of Phil Simms throwing to Plaxico Burress? Just saying...I know I'm mixing and matching, but that would be mega-sweet.

[Gspotter]

No, times, positions, and strategies have evolved. I've even heard Phil Simms say that he doesn't think he'd be very successful in this modern era.

 

I'd say no. There are some alltime teams that I'd be curious about, but if reading a D is critical, I expect that most QB's of the past would be a little confused, hell modern QB's are confused by all the disguising.

 

 

 

[BIGBLUE01]

The thought of Maurice Carthon leading the way for Jacobs and Bradshaw is better than Viagra. How about Eli throwing to a peaking Mark Bavaro? Hell, the Superbowl XXI version of Phil Simms throwing to Plaxico Burress? Just saying...I know I'm mixing and matching, but that would be mega-sweet.

 

The thought of Mo Carthon makes me sick, as does the tought of Parcells. Fuckin cowgirl traders. :brooding:

[hlb37]

 

 

just for kicks these are playing weights listed on profootballreferance.com

 

William Roberts 291

Karl Nelson 285

 

Brad Benson 262

Billy Ard 265

 

Bart Oates 275

 

 

On the D Line?

 

Jim Burt 260

Eric Dorsey 280

erik Howaqrd 275

Leanard Marshall 288

George Martin 245

 

 

 

[fringe]

I say yes because everyone was peaking that year, especially Simms and Carl Banks. I even thought that team could have beaten the Bears the year before, and was either psyched out from the Bears rep, or the cold got to them and broke their spirit.

To answer that, you have to first assess if the 07 pats are better than the 86 broncos. i would say they were similar giving pats an edge in coaching and cheating.

[GreyHoodie]

Possible but unlikely.

 

Possible because on any given Sunday any team can beat any team.

 

Unlikely because the '07 Patriots is the most dominant team in the Superbowl era. Having a PPG difference of +19.7. The 86 Giants at +8.4, doesn't even make the top 20 list.

 

The '07 Giants beating the '07 Patriots is an unlikely event. It happened in one of the two games in which the teams met, but it was still an unlikely event. I say that meaning no disrespect to the Superbowl champion New York Giants, the Giants played better football on the day it mattered.

 

 

Edit to add: And there is no comparison between the '86 Broncos with a PPG of 3.2 and the '07 Patriots.

[xxi-xxv]

DO I get a young BB as my D coordinator combined with an in his prime Parcells vs BB now?

 

The 86 Giants would have beaten that team by 10.

 

as for the thought that Simms would not have been as good, Simms mocks the new rules in place that help a passing game and lessen the mugging of Wr's that went on 20 some years ago, he would have been as good or better than ELI that day. The rulesof today completely benefit an accurate QB, yet no QB was more accurate than that day in January 1987 than SImms was, under the old rules.

 

Think about the 86 Giants depth on both sides pre free agency. You have enought of LT, Banks, Carson and Reasons at LB thats ok, we got Headen, HUnt and Pepper to back em up. Not enough on the D line of Martin, Marshall and Burt, quite ok we have Howard, Dorsey and Washington.

 

Little Joe needs a breather, thats ok we have OJ anderson to back him up.

 

2 TE sets and you have no clue who to cover, no problem its Bavaro or Mowatt to throw to.

 

Giants 24 Pats 6

[fringe]

DO I get a young BB as my D coordinator combined with an in his prime Parcells vs BB now?

 

The 86 Giants would have beaten that team by 10.

 

as for the thought that Simms would not have been as good, Simms mocks the new rules in place that help a passing game and lessen the mugging of Wr's that went on 20 some years ago, he would have been as good or better than ELI that day. The rulesof today completely benefit an accurate QB, yet no QB was more accurate than that day in January 1987 than SImms was, under the old rules.

 

Think about the 86 Giants depth on both sides pre free agency. You have enought of LT, Banks, Carson and Reasons at LB thats ok, we got Headen, HUnt and Pepper to back em up. Not enough on the D line of Martin, Marshall and Burt, quite ok we have Howard, Dorsey and Washington.

 

Little Joe needs a breather, thats ok we have OJ anderson to back him up.

 

2 TE sets and you have no clue who to cover, no problem its Bavaro or Mowatt to throw to.

 

Giants 24 Pats 6

OJ Anderson was on the '86 team? I don't think so..

[Dragon]

OJ Anderson was on the '86 team? I don't think so..

Check out the America's Game DVD for the 90-91 season. Anderson is part of the commentary and IIRC they say we picked him up b4 the 86 season.

[fishgutmartyr]

Possible but unlikely.

 

Possible because on any given Sunday any team can beat any team.

 

Unlikely because the '07 Patriots is the most dominant team in the Superbowl era. Having a PPG difference of +19.7. The 86 Giants at +8.4, doesn't even make the top 20 list.

 

The '07 Giants beating the '07 Patriots is an unlikely event. It happened in one of the two games in which the teams met, but it was still an unlikely event. I say that meaning no disrespect to the Superbowl champion New York Giants, the Giants played better football on the day it mattered.

 

 

Edit to add: And there is no comparison between the '86 Broncos with a PPG of 3.2 and the '07 Patriots.

 

Hoodie, nice to see you.

 

But don't kid yourself. The 85 Bears were the most dominant: they had the same record as your guys, and had the one loss in the regular season. They had an average regular season point differential of +16, and did it against teams like San Fran, Washington, Dallas, and Minnesota--pre-FA.

 

In the playoffs, that differential jumped to +27 pts/game, with your guys the only ones to score at all.

 

As for the '86 Giants, well we lost two games playing the likes of San Fran(2x), Washington(3x), Dallas(2x), Denver(2x), Minnesota, and the Raiders, which was a good team at the time. Even their loss against Seattle was against a 10-6 team.

 

Also keep in mind that this was during the golden age of the NFC East--Washington had already been to two superbowls in the previous 5 years, and would return in 87. Dallas was still a perennial power, although in decline. Even Philly was gaining momentum with Randall Cunningham.

 

And of course, the Giants saved their best for last, a differential of +28pts/game in the playoffs.

 

Both of these teams were built defense-first, with heavy emphasis on pressuring the quarterback, just like the '07 Giants. The only difference was that these two defenses were much stronger than the defense that stymied you in the SB. Both teams actually peaked in the playoffs, saving their best for last, while your guys frankly tailed off, averaging +10 pts in the games you won in the playoffs. That's a real bad time for that to drop off.

 

The '86 Giants didn't have the diversity that the '07 Giants had on offense, but what they did do well, they did very, very well. Carthon was one of the best blocking fullbacks I've ever seen, and Joe Morris was at his peak. Mark Bavaro would have been much more dangerous than Kevin Boss, and of course, Simms saved his best game for his biggest game.

[xxi-xxv]

OJ Anderson was on the '86 team? I don't think so..

not only was he on it blu he scored a TD in the SB

Giants 39 Broncos 20

[BIGBLUE01]

OJ Anderson was on the '86 team? I don't think so..

 

Good. I wasn't the only one to think this. Thats the first thing I thought, "O.J. wasnt on that team"

 

 

 

But he was blu, I looked it up.

[xxi-xxv]

Good. I wasn't the only one to think this. Thats the first thing I thought, "O.J. wasnt on that team"

 

 

 

But he was blu, I looked it up.

 

Yup all you had to do was read one post before yours here

[fringe]

not only was he on it blu he scored a TD in the SB

Giants 39 Broncos 20

wow- i didn't think he was a giant for that long. good call, x

[BIGBLUE01]

Yup all you had to do was read one post before yours here

 

 

LOL I didnt even click on the link. Yeah, very good call.

[TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt]

wow- i didn't think he was a giant for that long. good call, x

 

 

Yeah people were happy that he got a ring...thinking that he was just on the roster for insurance purposes and that he would fade away into retirement afterward.

[fringe]

Yeah people were happy that he got a ring...thinking that he was just on the roster for insurance purposes and that he would fade away into retirement afterward.

retirement? he played 5 more years.

[TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt]

retirement? he played 5 more years.

 

 

He was considered to be at the tail end of his career because of all of those beat up/beat down runs for the Cards. No one wanted to believe beyond him that he was not a running back on the tail end of his career. I knew he still had some gas left in the tank.

[BIGBLUE01]

He was considered to be at the tail end of his career because of all of those beat up/beat down runs for the Cards. No one wanted to believe beyond him that he was not a running back on the tail end of his career. I knew he still had some gas left in the tank.

 

Gas that was labeled "SuperBowl XXV MVP!"

[TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt]

Oh yeah he still had plenty left. That is why I am not buying into all of the punditry that someone like Jacobs is going to have a short career because of his style of running. It ain't necessarily so.