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[ksm7]

OK Mr. Mental Weakling since you again can't get anything done on your own here you are; I'll put the important stuff in big colorful letters so someone with a 3'rd grade reading capacity (you and eggy) can understand it:

This is what Montana played under in Kansas City

Schottenheimer's Marty Ball parameters are well documented in grammatically correct and perfectly bound volumes. Establish the run. Pass only to set up the run. Win the turnover count. And win the field position tug-of-war. "What I call my favorite football play -- a running play -- we call 40 or 50 power and we called it 15 times today," Schottenheimer said.

 

This is the system employed while in San Fransisco

The initial Walsh concept was for a standard pro-set offense -- two backs in split alignment, two wide receivers and a tight end -- designed to get the ball quickly from the quarterback to the skill-position players. The idea was to release all five of the eligible receivers at the same time, relying on three- and five-step drops by the quarterback to compensate for most blocking breakdowns, and to throw the ball crisply and on the break.

For the record you almost had a point except:

Montana retired at the end of the year........ oooooppppppsssss

 

So Schottenheimer ran a West Coast offense in KC for 8 games? Good point.... that really helped your argument

 

You almost had a point...... numbnuts :bye:

 

P.S. I added all the smileys so your after school play date buddy/alter ego eggy could get all that. Run along now and get on the short bus.

 

 

Interesting...allow the Dog to counter:

Montana, Joe (Joseph Clifford Montana) (mŏntăn'ə), 1956–, American football player, b. New Eagle, Pa. After playing at Notre Dame Univ., he starred (1979–93) for the San Francisco 49ers of the National Football League, before moving (1993–95) to the Kansas City Chiefs. Montana came to be regarded as the greatest quarterback in NFL history and was known especially for his collaboration with such receivers as Jerry Rice. He had the second highest pass completion rate on record (63.2%, behind Steve Young); his records included 5 consecutive games with over 300 yards passing (1982) and 22 consecutive completed passes (1987). He led San Francisco to four NFL championships and was the most valuable player in the Super Bowls of 1982, 1985, and 1990. In 1989 and 1990 he was the NFL's most valuable player.

 

Don't you read your own articles? Montana played for the Chiefs from '93-'95...now, which you were kind enough to but in really large writing for everyone, Shottemheimer changed his offense in 1993 with the addition of Hacket to a west coast offense...So, let's review: if Montana came to KC in 1993, and Hacket installed the west coast style of offense in 1993, is it safe to assume that Montana was running that same offense in KC? Or perhaps you know a way in which the Chiefs installed that offense, but had Montana run a different offensive system on the field that only he was privy to...

[ksm7]

The dog might note that Davis was a probowler a mere 3 times. Elway, 9, but they weren't consecutive years. To make this argument concerning LT, shows just how little the dog knows about LT or the Giants.

 

So which teams does the dog know a thing or two about?

 

The Dog would also note that Davis' career was cut very short...imagine had he not been injured what he could have done in that system...The Dog's point was that players, even the good ones, are products of the system they play in - and a quality system will elevate a good player into a great one...Davis was a fullback at Georgia that had limited carries, was drafted in the late rounds (around 5-7), and floursihed due to the system...now, Taylor was obviously a very talented player, but flourished under the coaching tandem of Parcells and Belichek who developed a defensive system that maximized all of the talent...the bottom line to all of this is when Gibbs/Walsh et. all developed schemes when playing the Giants, it was to counter the system and not just one man...

[BadEgg]

Interesting...allow the Dog to counter:

Montana, Joe (Joseph Clifford Montana) (mŏntăn'ə), 1956–, American football player, b. New Eagle, Pa. After playing at Notre Dame Univ., he starred (1979–93) for the San Francisco 49ers of the National Football League, before moving (1993–95) to the Kansas City Chiefs. Montana came to be regarded as the greatest quarterback in NFL history and was known especially for his collaboration with such receivers as Jerry Rice. He had the second highest pass completion rate on record (63.2%, behind Steve Young); his records included 5 consecutive games with over 300 yards passing (1982) and 22 consecutive completed passes (1987). He led San Francisco to four NFL championships and was the most valuable player in the Super Bowls of 1982, 1985, and 1990. In 1989 and 1990 he was the NFL's most valuable player.

 

Don't you read your own articles? Montana played for the Chiefs from '93-'95...now, which you were kind enough to but in really large writing for everyone, Shottemheimer changed his offense in 1993 with the addition of Hacket to a west coast offense...So, let's review: if Montana came to KC in 1993, and Hacket installed the west coast style of offense in 1993, is it safe to assume that Montana was running that same offense in KC? Or perhaps you know a way in which the Chiefs installed that offense, but had Montana run a different offensive system on the field that only he was privy to...

 

I told you yesterday, Maverick. Ice Man can't read...That's why I said :bye: to him several weeks ago...

[BIGBLUE01]

I told you yesterday, Maverick. Ice Man can't read...That's why I said :bye: to him several weeks ago...

 

 

LOL!! This comin from a guy that cant back up his words, (see Yankee threadLOL) and uses the 'doh' smiley face when he's at a loss for words. Which happens often, mind ya.

[ksm7]

I told you yesterday, Maverick. Ice Man can't read...That's why I said :bye: to him several weeks ago...

 

The Italian Hotdog needs to keep this in mind when discussing facts and fiction with him...The Dog wonders if he believes that Top Gun was actually a documentary....anyhow, the Dog is pretty sure he should stay in the other areas of the website, insulting individuals with significant emotional issues, that seems to be more his speed...

[BadEgg]

OK, youre just messin with me, or you are extremely clueless. Sooner or later, Im gonna get this through your head. NOT ONCE, did I say I shouldnt have to offer anything supportive. I have been posting on here, and other sites w/ most on here, for some time now. You and badegg just recently jumped in alot of the convos we've been engaged in lately. Since our little feuds, and your resistance to admit to your team, I have been pretty blunt, trash talkative and have purposely gone to any lengths to not provide you, a possible rival, any info. Not because Im LIMITED, but because I dont owe you anything. Now if you were to witness on a daily basis what I post, you would see that sometimes its a lengthy discussion with facts, sometimes its just goofin around, whatever. But every time I post, there isnt always the need to post lengthy, stat filled replies. For example, if I get a free minute at wk, and I jump on, and I see a topic about our WR corps. And I then see, oh, randoff lets say, post a WHOLE reply filled with stats, facts, years, player averages etc., why would I proceed to post a reply with all the same info? Esp. if I agrre with him? Wouldnt it be much easier to just say, "I agree?"

 

Now, thats for the Dog that might not be gettin it. For the Dog I believe Im dealing with, the one that just wants to give me shit, HAHA, bring it on. Its fun.

 

This is a relief, Bigblue...It was all an elaborate act...I'll buy it...

 

However, for the record, let me get it straight: You are purposefully withholding and concealing the facts from a "rival." I'm assuming so that the "rival" cannot use the facts against you? Against the Giants? In a court of law?

 

Genius...

 

Now back to the point of the thread: Why is LT the greatest LB to ever play the game?

[RaginCaucasian]

Interesting...allow the Dog to counter:

Montana, Joe (Joseph Clifford Montana) (mŏntăn'ə), 1956–, American football player, b. New Eagle, Pa. After playing at Notre Dame Univ., he starred (1979–93) for the San Francisco 49ers of the National Football League, before moving (1993–95) to the Kansas City Chiefs. Montana came to be regarded as the greatest quarterback in NFL history and was known especially for his collaboration with such receivers as Jerry Rice. He had the second highest pass completion rate on record (63.2%, behind Steve Young); his records included 5 consecutive games with over 300 yards passing (1982) and 22 consecutive completed passes (1987). He led San Francisco to four NFL championships and was the most valuable player in the Super Bowls of 1982, 1985, and 1990. In 1989 and 1990 he was the NFL's most valuable player.

 

Don't you read your own articles? Montana played for the Chiefs from '93-'95...now, which you were kind enough to but in really large writing for everyone, Shottemheimer changed his offense in 1993 with the addition of Hacket to a west coast offense...So, let's review: if Montana came to KC in 1993, and Hacket installed the west coast style of offense in 1993, is it safe to assume that Montana was running that same offense in KC? Or perhaps you know a way in which the Chiefs installed that offense, but had Montana run a different offensive system on the field that only he was privy to...

 

Actually he only played part of the 1993 season for the Chiefs (11 games due to injuries) and part of 14 games in 1994 before retiring & in your own statement here:

In order to ensure the health of Montana, who always seemed one hit away from a forced retirement Schottenheimer put reins on the highly sophisticated West Coast offense, which works best when all five receivers are out in patterns. After a midseason loss to the Bills, a game in which Bruce Smith nearly beheaded Montana, K.C.'s West Coast offense turned into the conservative, Bob Dole, Midwest offense, often sending out just two receivers.

 

The midseason loss to the Bills took place in 1994, so if in your previous statements (where you say the system makes the player) why was it that in the previous season (1993 when he ran a West Coast full time) was his worst as a pro?

 

His second worst season was also when running the West Coast offense (1986) when he only played 8 games & he still had better statisics (2,236 yards passing), his only other year playing less than 10 games was 1982 (played 9 games) and he was still better than in 1993 & running the same West Coast offense (2,613 yards vs. 2,144 yards in 1993).

 

So if he was a player made by the system why then did he have one of his best years after they "reeled him in" halfway through?

[ksm7]

Actually he only played part of the 1993 season for the Chiefs (injuries) and part of 14 games in 1994 before retiring & in your own statement here:

The midseason loss to the Bills took place in 1994, so if in your previous statements (where you say the system makes the player) why was it that in the previous season (1993 when he ran a West Coast full time) was his worst as a pro?

 

His second worst season was also when running the West Coast offense (1986) when he only played 8 games & he still had better statisics (2,236 yards passing), his only other year playing less than 10 games was 1982 (played 9 games) and he was still better than in 1993 & running the same West Coast offense (2,613 yards vs. 2,144 yards in 1993).

 

So if he was a player made by the system why then did he have one of his best years after they "reeled him in" halfway through?

 

Oh dear...where do you get your facts:

 

8-time Pro Bowler: 1981, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1987, 1989, 1990, 1993

 

 

 

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+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| Passing | Rushing |

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| 1979 sfo | 16 | 13 23 56.5 96 4.2 1 0 | 3 22 0 |

| 1980 sfo | 15 | 176 273 64.5 1795 6.6 15 9 | 32 77 2 |

| 1981 sfo | 16 | 311 488 63.7 3565 7.3 19 12 | 25 95 2 |

| 1982 sfo | 9 | 213 346 61.6 2613 7.6 17 11 | 30 118 1 |

| 1983 sfo | 16 | 332 515 64.5 3910 7.6 26 12 | 61 284 2 |

| 1984 sfo | 16 | 279 432 64.6 3630 8.4 28 10 | 39 118 2 |

| 1985 sfo | 15 | 303 494 61.3 3653 7.4 27 13 | 42 153 3 |

| 1986 sfo | 8 | 191 307 62.2 2236 7.3 8 9 | 17 38 0 |

| 1987 sfo | 13 | 266 398 66.8 3054 7.7 31 13 | 35 141 1 |

| 1988 sfo | 14 | 238 397 59.9 2981 7.5 18 10 | 38 132 3 |

| 1989 sfo | 13 | 271 386 70.2 3521 9.1 26 8 | 49 227 3 |

| 1990 sfo | 15 | 321 520 61.7 3944 7.6 26 16 | 40 162 1 |

| 1992 sfo | 1 | 15 21 71.4 126 6.0 2 0 | 3 28 0 |

| 1993 kan | 11 | 181 298 60.7 2144 7.2 13 7 | 25 64 0 |

| 1994 kan | 14 | 299 493 60.6 3283 6.7 16 9 | 18 17 0 |

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| TOTAL | 192 | 3409 5391 63.2 40551 7.5 273 139 | 457 1676 20 |

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

 

 

And the Dog wonders, could age and supporting cast impact a player's production? Perhaps in 1993, despite playing in 11 games (not 8), and having a "bad season", he still made the pro-bowl...and if you want to say that '86 was his worst season in that system, the Dog would also add that he was injured for half of it, and even Montana is allowed to have a bad season...in this case, it appears he benefited from the system, but in case you need more:

Eighty-one players were selected before the San Francisco 49ers drafted Montana late in the third round. New 49ers coach Bill Walsh ignored the negative scouting reports on his rookie signal caller ("average" arm strength, no touch), and envisioned Montana as the orchestrator of his complex ball-control passing attack: "Joe's ….an excellent spontaneous thinker, a keen-witted athlete with a unique field of vision. And he will not choke. Or rather, if he ever does, you'll know that everyone else has come apart first." Walsh's "system" depended on a nimble quarterback with an accurate arm who could adjust quickly to each defensive sequence as it unfolded. By the 1981 season Montana and the 49ers had become a sophisticated and virtually unstoppable offensive machine, but they met an old nemesis in the National Football Conference championship game, the Dallas Cowboys. The Cowboys had eliminated the 49ers from their last three playoff appearances, and after six San Francisco turnovers had led to a 6-point Dallas lead, it looked as if history would repeat itself. But Montana drove the 49ers 89 yards in the game's final minutes, and with 51 seconds left connected with flanker Dwight Clark for the winning touchdown on what was one of the most heralded plays of the decade. Known simply as "The Catch," the play began with Montana scrambling desperately to his right with three Cowboys in pursuit. Just before he was about to be thrown for a loss, Montana, throwing off his back foot, lofted a pass that appeared to be uncatchable. He later said he never saw Clark get open but knew his receiver would be sprinting across the back of the endzone as a safety valve on the play. Clark went high to catch the pass, landing just inside the boundary: afterward he marveled at the feat, "It was over my head. I thought, 'Oh, oh, I can't go that high.' Something got me up there. It must have been God or something."

 

hmmm...Walsh took a shot on Montana because he best fit his "system"...

[BIGBLUE01]

This is a relief, Bigblue...It was all an elaborate act...I'll buy it...

 

However, for the record, let me get it straight: You are purposefully withholding and concealing the facts from a "rival." I'm assuming so that the "rival" cannot use the facts against you? Against the Giants? In a court of law?

 

Genius...

 

Now back to the point of the thread: Why is LT the greatest LB to ever play the game?

 

Youre still REALLY bad at this. Where did I say it was an elaborate act? You guys try to accuse me of not knowing football, I just dont like you to so I answer how I want, which is usually not alot. Look on here in depth, I provide facts. But you knew that, you just wanna post like your puttin it to me or something.

 

Cmon eggy, cant you just stop tryin to one up me, and just admit that youre REALLY bad at this? Everyone already knows this, so youre not foolin anyone.

[BIGBLUE01]

This is a relief, Bigblue...It was all an elaborate act...I'll buy it...

 

However, for the record, let me get it straight: You are purposefully withholding and concealing the facts from a "rival." I'm assuming so that the "rival" cannot use the facts against you? Against the Giants? In a court of law?

 

Genius...

 

Now back to the point of the thread: Why is LT the greatest LB to ever play the game?

 

See what I mean? A big part of my reason is posted on this very thread, but youre too clueless to realize that!

[RaginCaucasian]

Oh dear...where do you get your facts:

 

8-time Pro Bowler: 1981, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1987, 1989, 1990, 1993

 

 

 

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+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| Passing | Rushing |

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| 1979 sfo | 16 | 13 23 56.5 96 4.2 1 0 | 3 22 0 |

| 1980 sfo | 15 | 176 273 64.5 1795 6.6 15 9 | 32 77 2 |

| 1981 sfo | 16 | 311 488 63.7 3565 7.3 19 12 | 25 95 2 |

| 1982 sfo | 9 | 213 346 61.6 2613 7.6 17 11 | 30 118 1 |

| 1983 sfo | 16 | 332 515 64.5 3910 7.6 26 12 | 61 284 2 |

| 1984 sfo | 16 | 279 432 64.6 3630 8.4 28 10 | 39 118 2 |

| 1985 sfo | 15 | 303 494 61.3 3653 7.4 27 13 | 42 153 3 |

| 1986 sfo | 8 | 191 307 62.2 2236 7.3 8 9 | 17 38 0 |

| 1987 sfo | 13 | 266 398 66.8 3054 7.7 31 13 | 35 141 1 |

| 1988 sfo | 14 | 238 397 59.9 2981 7.5 18 10 | 38 132 3 |

| 1989 sfo | 13 | 271 386 70.2 3521 9.1 26 8 | 49 227 3 |

| 1990 sfo | 15 | 321 520 61.7 3944 7.6 26 16 | 40 162 1 |

| 1992 sfo | 1 | 15 21 71.4 126 6.0 2 0 | 3 28 0 |

| 1993 kan | 11 | 181 298 60.7 2144 7.2 13 7 | 25 64 0 |

| 1994 kan | 14 | 299 493 60.6 3283 6.7 16 9 | 18 17 0 |

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| TOTAL | 192 | 3409 5391 63.2 40551 7.5 273 139 | 457 1676 20 |

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

And the Dog wonders, could age and supporting cast impact a player's production? Perhaps in 1993, despite playing in 11 games (not 8), and having a "bad season", he still made the pro-bowl...and if you want to say that '86 was his worst season in that system, the Dog would also add that he was injured for half of it, and even Montana is allowed to have a bad season...in this case, it appears he benefited from the system, but in case you need more:

Eighty-one players were selected before the San Francisco 49ers drafted Montana late in the third round. New 49ers coach Bill Walsh ignored the negative scouting reports on his rookie signal caller ("average" arm strength, no touch), and envisioned Montana as the orchestrator of his complex ball-control passing attack: "Joe's ….an excellent spontaneous thinker, a keen-witted athlete with a unique field of vision. And he will not choke. Or rather, if he ever does, you'll know that everyone else has come apart first." Walsh's "system" depended on a nimble quarterback with an accurate arm who could adjust quickly to each defensive sequence as it unfolded. By the 1981 season Montana and the 49ers had become a sophisticated and virtually unstoppable offensive machine, but they met an old nemesis in the National Football Conference championship game, the Dallas Cowboys. The Cowboys had eliminated the 49ers from their last three playoff appearances, and after six San Francisco turnovers had led to a 6-point Dallas lead, it looked as if history would repeat itself. But Montana drove the 49ers 89 yards in the game's final minutes, and with 51 seconds left connected with flanker Dwight Clark for the winning touchdown on what was one of the most heralded plays of the decade. Known simply as "The Catch," the play began with Montana scrambling desperately to his right with three Cowboys in pursuit. Just before he was about to be thrown for a loss, Montana, throwing off his back foot, lofted a pass that appeared to be uncatchable. He later said he never saw Clark get open but knew his receiver would be sprinting across the back of the endzone as a safety valve on the play. Clark went high to catch the pass, landing just inside the boundary: afterward he marveled at the feat, "It was over my head. I thought, 'Oh, oh, I can't go that high.' Something got me up there. It must have been God or something."

 

hmmm...Walsh took a shot on Montana because he best fit his "system"...

 

Walsh wisdom:

 

Bill Walsh, when asked by reporters before the 1979 season if Montana would be given a chance to play or contribute, remarked back, "Joe Who?".

Yeah, there's a real sign of confidence in the guy who is supposed to be "perfect" for your offense ........ good thing you don't coach.

 

As far as talent evaluation went Walsh was hardly a master of that, who was picked in the 2'nd round by the 49'ers (they had no 1'st rounder)? James Ownes.... a WR so bad they made him a RB..... two years later, I guess it's easy to pick Ronnie Lott when LT was already taken .... but explain picking John Harty when Mike Singletary, Cris Collinsworth & Howie Long are all still there? Lets stop with Walsh being this all knowing charachter..... every GM and coach has their warts.

 

Also I never stated he played in 8 games in 1993, as a matter of fact I stated in my opening remark that he played 11 games:

Actually he only played part of the 1993 season for the Chiefs (11 games due to injuries)

guess you overlooked that huh simpleton?

 

As far as Joe getting old or injuries to him or to other players I always laugh at how that usually is the crutch someone uses when their performance suffers (like how Montana had a great season in 1994 and the Chiefs went 9-7).... I only have to look at the Super Bowl Patriots who were ravaged by injuries on both sides of their team (so this way you can't say it was a Belichick defense) who won a Super Bowl despite such injuries.

 

BTW, you will never see me hype "Pro-Bowl" players as the entire game is a popularity contest (exhibit Tony Romo Carrie Underwood's baggage carrier)..... Joe Montana had no business being on that Pro Bowl team, neither did some of his company:

John Elway- deserved to be there, he did everything for the Broncos that year there were no 1,000 yard rushers & the only thing resembling a WR on that team was Shannon Sharpe.

Warren Moon- threw for almost 4,300 yards & had 2 1,000 yard recievers along with a 1,000 yard rusher

Boomer Esiason- are you kidding? He was awful! 12'th in the NFL in completion warrants a Pro Bowl

 

And that's just the AFC half of it:

 

Bobby Hebert <----- Please tell me what the hell he did to get in???? Did he buy a ticket? That must be how.

Phil Simms- Had a pretty average year for a QB but a 62% completeion rate helped.

Brett Favre- Cheeseheads will hate me for pointing this out but he threw more INT's than TD's

Troy Aikman- Won a Super Bowl, deserved it.

Steve Young- Threw 29 TD's (a 2 to 1 TD to INT ratio) #1 in the NFL that year, deserved it.

 

So tell me how a Pro Bowl should qualify a season as a success when your "prestigious company" includes Bobby Hebert?

[ksm7]

Walsh wisdom:

Yeah, there's a real sign of confidence in the guy who is supposed to be "perfect" for your offense ........ good thing you don't coach.

 

As far as talent evaluation went Walsh was hardly a master of that, who was picked in the 2'nd round by the 49'ers (they had no 1'st rounder)? James Ownes.... a WR so bad they made him a RB..... two years later, I guess it's easy to pick Ronnie Lott when LT was already taken .... but explain picking John Harty when Mike Singletary, Cris Collinsworth & Howie Long are all still there? Lets stop with Walsh being this all knowing charachter..... every GM and coach has their warts.

 

Also I never stated he played in 8 games in 1993, as a matter of fact I stated in my opening remark that he played 11 games:

 

guess you overlooked that huh simpleton?

 

As far as Joe getting old or injuries to him or to other players I always laugh at how that usually is the crutch someone uses when their performance suffers (like how Montana had a great season in 1994 and the Chiefs went 9-7).... I only have to look at the Super Bowl Patriots who were ravaged by injuries on both sides of their team (so this way you can't say it was a Belichick defense) who won a Super Bowl despite such injuries.

 

BTW, you will never see me hype "Pro-Bowl" players as the entire game is a popularity contest (exhibit Tony Romo Carrie Underwood's baggage carrier)..... Joe Montana had no business being on that Pro Bowl team, neither did some of his company:

John Elway- deserved to be there, he did everything for the Broncos that year there were no 1,000 yard rushers & the only thing resembling a WR on that team was Shannon Sharpe.

Warren Moon- threw for almost 4,300 yards & had 2 1,000 yard recievers along with a 1,000 yard rusher

Boomer Esiason- are you kidding? He was awful! 12'th in the NFL in completion warrants a Pro Bowl

 

And that's just the AFC half of it:

 

Bobby Hebert <----- Please tell me what the hell he did to get in???? Did he buy a ticket? That must be how.

Phil Simms- Had a pretty average year for a QB but a 62% completeion rate helped.

Brett Favre- Cheeseheads will hate me for pointing this out but he threw more INT's than TD's

Troy Aikman- Won a Super Bowl, deserved it.

Steve Young- Threw 29 TD's (a 2 to 1 TD to INT ratio) #1 in the NFL that year, deserved it.

 

So tell me how a Pro Bowl should qualify a season as a success when your "prestigious company" includes Bobby Hebert?

 

So you are of the belief that Bill Walsh is not a judge of talent based on the fact that he took a receiver named Owens in the second round of the 1979 draft...The Dog thinks you are spinning out of control...Walsh, who drafted Montana for the reasons already stated, and ignored the critics of Montana, was a poor judge of caliber...The Dog would have to do a lot of research on all of the talent that Walsh didn't see...you know, Rice, Taylor, Lott, Craig, Rathman, Young, Clark, Romanowski, Turner...

 

Montana may have been less deserving, but the Dog is pretty sure those numbers in '93 were not so bad, and certainly if those are the worst numbers in his career, that is pretty darn impressive...and for the age factor - The Dog is pretty sure that most player's skills deteriorate with age, and so in turn the production at the end of a players career is not quite the same as the production in their prime...let's see, Favre, Montana, Emmit Smith, Tony Dorsett, Franco Harris (you remember him, don't you, the guy who was pretty good as a running back in Pittsburgh all those years, but who was pretty darn sad in Seattle at the end of his career)...etc...the Dog might be willing to bet that your beloved Lawrence Taylor was not quite the same player in the early 90's that he was in the mid 80's...

 

The Dog does not find you as entertaining as some on here, but boy are you making an effort...

[xxi-xxv]

well done...The Dog likes it...however, since Taylor's success seems to directly coincide with his time spent with good coaching, doesn't that lend creedance to the idea that it was the schemes utilizing Taylor's strengths and not just the fact that he was a good linebacker that made the difference? That being said, is he truely the best linebacker ever, or a great player that benefited most from a coaching staff that developed schemes to play to his strengths? Also, isn't it fair to say that Gibbs and Walsh et. all developed schemes to counter the developed schemes of the Giants staff, and not so much for what Taylor was doing on his own?

 

I think any halfway decent coach would have been smart enough to utilize the talents of LT. It was pretty much just let him line up and go. He did make the playoffs with both Ray Perkins and Dan Reeves as his HC, so its not like it was solely a Parcells thing. I think if you put a gun to Parcells' head he will tell you that the two most important men in helping Parcells become the TUNA were LT and Bill Belichick. LT had a tremendous amount of success in his prime, against the NFC's top teams, who themselves were coached by future hall of famers. Two teams that played close to .600 football in the 80's were a combined 1-4vs LT teams from 1985-1990. Not a bad stats and probably one that holds credence to the fact a good defense will always beat a good offense.

 

I saw LT and I have to say he was the best OLB I ever saw. Thats my opinion though, probably bias, but at least there are some results to back it up.

[BIGBLUE01]

I think any halfway decent coach would have been smart enough to utilize the talents of LT. It was pretty much just let him line up and go. He did make the playoffs with both Ray Perkins and Dan Reeves as his HC, so its not like it was solely a Parcells thing. I think if you put a gun to Parcells' head he will tell you that the two most important men in helping Parcells become the TUNA were LT and Bill Belichick. LT had a tremendous amount of success in his prime, against the NFC's top teams, who themselves were coached by future hall of famers. Two teams that played close to .600 football in the 80's were a combined 1-4vs LT teams from 1985-1990. Not a bad stats and probably one that holds credence to the fact a good defense will always beat a good offense.

 

I saw LT and I have to say he was the best OLB I ever saw. Thats my opinion though, probably bias, but at least there are some results to back it up.

 

Oh man, youre gonna get crap for that one! LOL!

[randoff]

Attention:

New 'rule' in effect. We must ALL post silly shit from now on (a la Italian Dog/Bad Egg). Everything MUST be spun around and around for the ultimate irritating factor. (Keep in mind this must be done while talking in third person) ready?????,,,,,,,,

 

I'll start....

 

Italian Hotdog is a Dallas Cowboys fan. You want proof? The Doff is here to proof it with quotes:

 

...the Dog might be willing to bet that your beloved Lawrence Taylor was not quite the same player in the early 90's that he was in the mid 80's...The Dog does not find you as entertaining as some on here, but boy are you making an effort...

 

...drove the 49ers 89 yards in the game's final minutes, and with 51 seconds left connected with flanker Dwight Clark for the winning touchdown on what was one of the most heralded plays of the decade. Known simply as "The Catch," the play began with Montana scrambling desperately to his right with three Cowboys in pursuit. Just before he was about to be thrown for a loss, Montana, throwing off his back foot, lofted a pass that appeared to be uncatchable. He later said he never saw Clark get open but knew his receiver would be sprinting across the back of the endzone as a safety valve on the play. Clark went high to catch the pass, landing just inside the boundary

Reading 'between the lines' shows me that someone is a hater of the 49ers for beating his Cowboys.

[BIGBLUE01]

Attention:

New 'rule' in effect. We must ALL post silly shit from now on (a la Italian Dog/Bad Egg). Everything MUST be spun around and around for the ultimate irritating factor. (Keep in mind this must be done while talking in third person) ready?????,,,,,,,,

 

I'll start....

 

Italian Hotdog is a Dallas Cowboys fan. You want proof? The Doff is here to proof it with quotes:

 

...the Dog might be willing to bet that your beloved Lawrence Taylor was not quite the same player in the early 90's that he was in the mid 80's...The Dog does not find you as entertaining as some on here, but boy are you making an effort...

 

...drove the 49ers 89 yards in the game's final minutes, and with 51 seconds left connected with flanker Dwight Clark for the winning touchdown on what was one of the most heralded plays of the decade. Known simply as "The Catch," the play began with Montana scrambling desperately to his right with three Cowboys in pursuit. Just before he was about to be thrown for a loss, Montana, throwing off his back foot, lofted a pass that appeared to be uncatchable. He later said he never saw Clark get open but knew his receiver would be sprinting across the back of the endzone as a safety valve on the play. Clark went high to catch the pass, landing just inside the boundary

Reading 'between the lines' shows me that someone is a hater of the 49ers for beating his Cowboys.

 

 

I believe he is, because I believe he is egg.

 

Its funny, what point was he trying to make about LT not being the same as he was in the 80's? Yeah, we all know players get old, but he still managed over 7 sacks a seaon in those 3 years...for a LB! Fuggedabout his tackle stats!

[randoff]

Attention:

The Doff would like to retract that statement saying the Dog is a Cowboy fan. The Doff has found other evidence that Italian HD could be a Cardinal fan....see below.

 

...it may actually have been more entertaining when he boldly stated opinions with no backing, but perhaps that is what got him kicked off the Cardinals message board...twice...ha ha ha ha ha...WOO!!

[randoff]

More proof:

 

Doff has taken time out from listening to 'Learning conversational Spanish' CD and found more proof that someone COULD be a Cardinal fan....see below.

 

It's the Cardinals, but the Dog guesses you already knew that from your time on their boards

[randoff]

The Dog can only wonder where your wisdom is in high demand...and in how many places...hopefully, your efforts on the other board are more fruitful then they have been here thus far...

 

Hmmmmn???

 

¿Qué equipo usted tiene gusto?

[BIGBLUE01]

LMAO!!!!

[randoff]

LMAO!!!!

The Doff can cite more excerpts from the Dog himself....but let's abide to see what Italian Dog has to say. The Doffster is willing to bet that it'll be more talk of the 'Spherical' nature (not to be confused with spiritual) (the Doff is smiling over here).

 

P.S. Bad Egg will probably think that Blue and the Doff-ster are cronies, allies or cohorts.

[BIGBLUE01]

The Doff can cite more excerpts from the Dog himself....but let's abide to see what Italian Dog has to say. The Doffster is willing to bet that it'll be more talk of the 'Spherical' nature (not to be confused with spiritual) (the Doff is smiling over here).

 

P.S. Bad Egg will probably think that Blue and the Doff-ster are cronies, allies or cohorts.

 

 

.....or one in the same, Dr Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.........MMMMWWWWWAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

 

[Nesta]

The Dog would also note that Davis' career was cut very short...imagine had he not been injured what he could have done in that system...The Dog's point was that players, even the good ones, are products of the system they play in - and a quality system will elevate a good player into a great one...Davis was a fullback at Georgia that had limited carries, was drafted in the late rounds (around 5-7), and floursihed due to the system...now, Taylor was obviously a very talented player, but flourished under the coaching tandem of Parcells and Belichek who developed a defensive system that maximized all of the talent...the bottom line to all of this is when Gibbs/Walsh et. all developed schemes when playing the Giants, it was to counter the system and not just one man...

 

Nah, the dog doesn't have a point. If the dog was talking about any other player in history other than LT, the dog might have a point, but the dog's point was stupid and doesn't make sense. Even the dog must realize this. LT was not a product of the system. The system was a product of LT. Anyone who knows one iota of football knows that LT changed the OLB position. The dog has therefore proven himself a fool for so much as insinuating that LT was a product of the Giant's system. The dog is a jealous Giant's hater that wastes hours of his life debating about a team he doesn't even like. The dog needs to take into serious consideration the dog's priorities.

 

Go sit in the corner for 3 days, numbnuts.

[BIGBLUE01]

Nah, the dog doesn't have a point. If the dog was talking about any other player in history other than LT, the dog might have a point, but the dog's point was stupid and doesn't make sense. Even the dog must realize this. LT was not a product of the system. The system was a product of LT. Anyone who knows one iota of football knows that LT changed the OLB position. The dog has therefore proven himself a fool for so much as insinuating that LT was a product of the Giant's system. The dog is a jealous Giant's hater that wastes hours of his life debating about a team he doesn't even like. The dog needs to take into serious consideration the dog's priorities.

 

Go sit in the corner for 3 days, numbnuts.

LOL

 

Im starting to wonder if the dog even knows who LT is??

 

No, dog, not LaDanian Tomlinson

[ksm7]

Attention:

New 'rule' in effect. We must ALL post silly shit from now on (a la Italian Dog/Bad Egg). Everything MUST be spun around and around for the ultimate irritating factor. (Keep in mind this must be done while talking in third person) ready?????,,,,,,,,

 

I'll start....

 

Italian Hotdog is a Dallas Cowboys fan. You want proof? The Doff is here to proof it with quotes:

 

...the Dog might be willing to bet that your beloved Lawrence Taylor was not quite the same player in the early 90's that he was in the mid 80's...The Dog does not find you as entertaining as some on here, but boy are you making an effort...

 

...drove the 49ers 89 yards in the game's final minutes, and with 51 seconds left connected with flanker Dwight Clark for the winning touchdown on what was one of the most heralded plays of the decade. Known simply as "The Catch," the play began with Montana scrambling desperately to his right with three Cowboys in pursuit. Just before he was about to be thrown for a loss, Montana, throwing off his back foot, lofted a pass that appeared to be uncatchable. He later said he never saw Clark get open but knew his receiver would be sprinting across the back of the endzone as a safety valve on the play. Clark went high to catch the pass, landing just inside the boundary

Reading 'between the lines' shows me that someone is a hater of the 49ers for beating his Cowboys.

 

You see randoof, this is what happens when you join the show late...The Dog is not exactly sure what the last paragraph above is about, except to further highlight Joe Montana's career, which the Dog has been doing all along...