Thought that you guys would want to see this.

[Dragon]

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Now Tiki Barber is my favorite Giants player ever (I grew up when LT was nearing the end of his career, so I wasn't fortunate enough to see him play in his prime), but even Tiki Barber would agree that this is bullshit. I really lmao when he said something about reassessing why we are confident in Jacobs.

[Herc]

that's fine, i mean while i am the biggest jacobs fan and think he will have a great season, he hasn't proven he can be an everydown back yet. however, the guy was a great fantasy asset last year and he didn't even get that many carries. even if he splits carries with droughns (which i doubt will be the case, but just from a worst case scenario point of view) he'll still get all the goal-line carries. the TD's will be there and he'll probably have more yards (who cares about ypc in fantasy?)

[BIGBLUE01]

Yeah, thats typical media bullshit. He gained 3.9 YPC behind a 5.2 YPC RB, with a lot of TD's. I dont know about you, but thats why Im sold.

[Dragon]

Yeah, thats typical media bullshit. He gained 3.9 YPC behind a 5.2 YPC RB, with a lot of TD's. I dont know about you, but thats why Im sold.

Not only rushing behind Barber, but Jacobs came in during obvious rushing situations and mostly short yardage and still averaged nearly 4 YPC. They knew he was coming and STILL couldn't stop him! The league is gonna come to know and fear Brandon Jacobs this season.

[BIGBLUE01]

Not only rushing behind Barber, but Jacobs came in during obvious rushing situations and mostly short yardage and still averaged nearly 4 YPC. They knew he was coming and STILL couldn't stop him! The league is gonna come to know and fear Brandon Jacobs this season.

 

I know we are Giant fans, and hope for the best for our team, but honestly, I feel the same way. I think people dont realize what we have in BJ. I firmly believe he will be the gem RB this season, and seasons to come.

[ksm7]

Not only rushing behind Barber, but Jacobs came in during obvious rushing situations and mostly short yardage and still averaged nearly 4 YPC. They knew he was coming and STILL couldn't stop him! The league is gonna come to know and fear Brandon Jacobs this season.

 

The article has merit...Jacobs is unproven as an every down back, Barber was not...The Giants went out and got a back that has had success in the NFL, indicating that they are not sold ob Jacobs just yet, and the Dog has to say, if Jacobs cobverted 62% of short yardage situations, it means he was stopped 48% of the time, which means that teams could in fact stop him...anyhow, the Dog has to mark him down as a question mark with potential, but a question mark none the less.

[BIGBLUE01]

The article has merit...Jacobs is unproven as an every down back, Barber was not...The Giants went out and got a back that has had success in the NFL, indicating that they are not sold ob Jacobs just yet, and the Dog has to say, if Jacobs cobverted 62% of short yardage situations, it means he was stopped 48% of the time, which means that teams could in fact stop him...anyhow, the Dog has to mark him down as a question mark with potential, but a question mark none the less.

 

Who??? The Giants got a successful RB?? Who?? I thought they got Droughns, but hey, I coulda missed something.

 

R. Droughns-3.9 YPC. If Jacobs is unsuccesful being a 3rd down back with that YPC average, then Droughns is a HUGE dissapointment having that average as an every down back,

 

All you wanna do is contradict, dont you.

[ksm7]

Who??? The Giants got a successful RB?? Who?? I thought they got Droughns, but hey, I coulda missed something.

 

R. Droughns-3.9 YPC. If Jacobs is unsuccesful being a 3rd down back with that YPC average, then Droughns is a HUGE dissapointment having that average as an every down back,

 

All you wanna do is contradict, dont you.

 

Ahhh, to understand this, one needs to expand their intellect beyond the raw numbers, higher level thinking skills come into play here (i.e., the analysis stage of learning...). You see, the Dog is able to understand that while Drougn's career numbers indicate a 3.9 yard a carry average, he has two out of three seasons as a feature back in which he ran for over 1200 yards and had a higher then 4 yard a carry average (one of those seasons was with the rather hapless Cleveland Browns)...so yes, he is successful back the Dog speaks of...and for the record, the Dog was just reporting an opinion on fact, not contradicting anyone...you appear to be the one who is quick to attack...

[fringe]

The article has merit...Jacobs is unproven as an every down back, Barber was not...The Giants went out and got a back that has had success in the NFL, indicating that they are not sold ob Jacobs just yet, and the Dog has to say, if Jacobs cobverted 62% of short yardage situations, it means he was stopped 48% of the time, which means that teams could in fact stop him...anyhow, the Dog has to mark him down as a question mark with potential, but a question mark none the less.

the dog likes to give 110%

[Dragon]

The article has merit...Jacobs is unproven as an every down back, Barber was not...The Giants went out and got a back that has had success in the NFL, indicating that they are not sold ob Jacobs just yet, and the Dog has to say, if Jacobs cobverted 62% of short yardage situations, it means he was stopped 48% of the time, which means that teams could in fact stop him...anyhow, the Dog has to mark him down as a question mark with potential, but a question mark none the less.

That has more to do with the fact that on 3rd and 1 or 3rd and 2 we'd send Jacobs out on the field and without any thought we rush him up the middle. Now in the beginning, that worked, but Coughlin's OC wasn't smart enough to know that eventually the opponent was going to catch on... and btw if he converted 62% that means he was stopped 38% of the time. Not 48%.

 

Aside from the fact that he used the names of real NFL players, nothing in the article is a true telling of how good Jacobs and Droughns are. He said that Droughns was a product of the Denver system (not in those words), but failed to note that Droughns rushed for 1200 yards behind Cleveland's poor line. He said that Jacobs only has a 3.9 YPC average, but fails to note that Jacobs was primarily used as a short yardage back... and STILL averaged close to 4 YPC... not to mention that he has 16 TDs while being the second string RB.

 

As far as how the coaching staff feels about Jacobs goes, consider this... If we are truly going to go to a power running game you have to look at another power runner in the NFL now... Larry Johnson. Would you want Jacobs carrying the ball the way Johnson does? Hell No! Jacobs is a beast, but he's still human and you don't want to render him useless. Droughns will be there as INSURANCE and as a guy that can come in and give Jacobs a series or two off.

 

This guy did no research whatsoever. He took a look at Jacobs' stat line and tried to make an assumption about it.

[ksm7]

the dog likes to give 110%

 

Indeed...anything less would be unacceptable to the Dog, therefore, the statement stands as is...

[JayD]

The 3.9 was for Jacobs career. But if you just look at last year he had 4.4 a carry. For a short yardage back, this is INSANE. This article is so full of shit I got to go get my boots on.

2006

Brandon Jacobs 15 96 423 4.4 28.2 9

[BIGBLUE01]

Ahhh, to understand this, one needs to expand their intellect beyond the raw numbers, higher level thinking skills come into play here (i.e., the analysis stage of learning...). You see, the Dog is able to understand that while Drougn's career numbers indicate a 3.9 yard a carry average, he has two out of three seasons as a feature back in which he ran for over 1200 yards and had a higher then 4 yard a carry average (one of those seasons was with the rather hapless Cleveland Browns)...so yes, he is successful back the Dog speaks of...and for the record, the Dog was just reporting an opinion on fact, not contradicting anyone...you appear to be the one who is quick to attack...

 

Man, sarcasm goes right past ya, doesnt it.

 

The point was, this article has NO merit. Jacobs will be a beast. If h'es attained #'s like a feature back, being a 3rd down back, then it is safe to say that Jacobs could be a threat.

[ksm7]

Man, sarcasm goes right past ya, doesnt it.

 

The point was, this article has NO merit. Jacobs will be a beast. If h'es attained #'s like a feature back, being a 3rd down back, then it is safe to say that Jacobs could be a threat.

 

To clarify for the Dog if you would, do you think Drougns is a good back or not? Because your reference to sarcasm makes little sense here...and how can you declare that the article has no merit based on your biased opinion? Do you have an opinion based on fact, because that might provide some merit to your argument, otherwise, you are being silly again...

[Nesta]

BS article. Someone who obviously hasn't spent much time watching BJ, and did his research by looking strictly at the numbers.

His avg. 2.6 as a rookie is why his career avg isn't over 4. When he was a rook, he tried to run over everyone. Now he's obviously better and learned a thing or two from Tiki. Shit, if you took off every att. inside the opponent's 4 where he scored, his avg would be over 4 easy.

 

His rookie year he didn't catch one ball, and last year 11 for 149. That's not a lot of catches, but that's a great avg per catch 13.5.

 

I'm more worried about him staying healthy than anything else. Fumblitis would be second, but hopefully Tom got a jump on that problem.

 

Tiki will indeed be missed, but I think BJ's time is here.

[Nesta]

Forgot to mention, I didn't catch all of the Giant's camp on NFL network, but the one part I did catch, they were remarking about how impressive Brandon Jacobs looked.

[Dragon]

BS article. Someone who obviously hasn't spent much time watching BJ, and did his research by looking strictly at the numbers.

His avg. 2.6 as a rookie is why his career avg isn't over 4. When he was a rook, he tried to run over everyone. Now he's obviously better and learned a thing or two from Tiki. Shit, if you took off every att. inside the opponent's 4 where he scored, his avg would be over 4 easy.

 

His rookie year he didn't catch one ball, and last year 11 for 149. That's not a lot of catches, but that's a great avg per catch 13.5.

 

I'm more worried about him staying healthy than anything else. Fumblitis would be second, but hopefully Tom got a jump on that problem.

 

Tiki will indeed be missed, but I think BJ's time is here.

He did. I saw Jacobs running in minicamp and he had the ball high and in tight just like Coughlin had Tiki do.

[Nesta]

He did. I saw Jacobs running in minicamp and he had the ball high and in tight just like Coughlin had Tiki do.

Good.

 

I looked it up, but all NFL.com keeps track of is inside the 20. So from our own one to the opponents 20, Jacobs was 69 atts for 360 5.2 ypc.

[gateb]

Jacobs came out of college with the rep of being surehanded. The forced fumble by Dawkins was an amazing play by Dawkins and part carelessness by Jacobs going for the plow. Jacobs will eventually mature to the point where he knows to protect the ball when trying to run over one of the best safeties in the game.

 

The Roy Williams fumble in his rookie year was a silly mistake and a good play.

[boohyah]

Nothing worse than a guy who uses stats that carry little weight. Got news for this scrub, how many yards per carry can a guy get from the one yard line??? And add to the fact that while Tiki may have been a decent fantasy player to have, he could have been so much better, in fact Jacobs was pretty good value because he scored more TD's.

 

Look at Dallas, Julius Jones was the starter, but MArion Barber was a better play. i know because I had both guys on my team.

[BIGBLUE01]

To clarify for the Dog if you would, do you think Drougns is a good back or not? Because your reference to sarcasm makes little sense here...and how can you declare that the article has no merit based on your biased opinion? Do you have an opinion based on fact, because that might provide some merit to your argument, otherwise, you are being silly again...

 

 

Hehehe....you like me, cmon, say it. I dont see you responding to anyone else.

 

Yup, it went right past ya. OK, The article says we got Droughns because we arent convinced that BJ can carry the load. I, like many others on this site, said its bull, he can. You said the article has merit, because BJ is unproven. If Jacobs has the same YPC as a SUCCESSFUL(in your words) RB, how can he not be proven? His YPC match Droughns, playing half the time. So the sarcasm was what succesful RB? It cant be Droughns, if his stats match an unproven RB.

 

Oh, and yeah, I think Reuben is decent. A good compliment to the REAL THUNDA!!!!

[ksm7]

Hehehe....you like me, cmon, say it. I dont see you responding to anyone else.

 

Yup, it went right past ya. OK, The article says we got Droughns because we arent convinced that BJ can carry the load. I, like many others on this site, said its bull, he can. You said the article has merit, because BJ is unproven. If Jacobs has the same YPC as a SUCCESSFUL(in your words) RB, how can he not be proven? His YPC match Droughns, playing half the time. So the sarcasm was what succesful RB? It cant be Droughns, if his stats match an unproven RB.

 

Oh, and yeah, I think Reuben is decent. A good compliment to the REAL THUNDA!!!!

 

The Dog also said to look beyond the numbers - Droughns may have the same yards per carry, but he was doing it as a full time back...Jacobs was a part time short yardage specialist who has yet to carry the load...thus, Droughns is proven in the NFL, Jacobs has yet to prove that he can do that - the article, and the Dog for that fact, both are merely stating that this is a question mark that is yet to be answered...opinions based on fact...you base your opinions on being a fan and wanting everything to be OK...the article is stating that based on the situation, the Giants could experience a drop in production (fyi, Barber was a pretty good back) at that position - that has merit the same way it does anytime a team loses a top five player in a specific position...wow...limited...

[BIGBLUE01]

The Dog also said to look beyond the numbers - Droughns may have the same yards per carry, but he was doing it as a full time back...Jacobs was a part time short yardage specialist who has yet to carry the load...thus, Droughns is proven in the NFL, Jacobs has yet to prove that he can do that - the article, and the Dog for that fact, both are merely stating that this is a question mark that is yet to be answered...opinions based on fact...you base your opinions on being a fan and wanting everything to be OK...the article is stating that based on the situation, the Giants could experience a drop in production (fyi, Barber was a pretty good back) at that position - that has merit the same way it does anytime a team loses a top five player in a specific position...wow...limited...

 

Its getting to where I dont even have to respond. The Dog answers himself!

 

Let my limited self try to explain this to you. Not some long drawn out explanation, just the subject at hand, in bold.

DROUGHNS-full time bac-3.9 YPC

JACOBS-3rd down back-3.9 YPC.

The sarcasm was how can he be successful if he mirrors an unproven back?

 

Never mind, the dog is too concerned with talking like hes BOB DOLE....LMAO!!

[ksm7]

Its getting to where I dont even have to respond. The Dog answers himself!

 

Let my limited self try to explain this to you. Not some long drawn out explanation, just the subject at hand, in bold.

DROUGHNS-full time bac-3.9 YPC

JACOBS-3rd down back-3.9 YPC.

The sarcasm was how can he be successful if he mirrors an unproven back?

 

Never mind, the dog is too concerned with talking like hes BOB DOLE....LMAO!!

 

And your point? The Dog (not responding to you in this thread earlier by the way), stated that:

1. the article has merit

2. Jacobs is unproven, Drougns is not.

3. The loss of Barber will have an impact

4. You must go beyond the statistics in analysis

5. You are limited

6. Drougns is successful based on what he has done as a full time back in the NFL (see #4)

7. You are limited

8. You may not fully understand the definition of sarcasm

[fishgutmartyr]

The Dog also said to look beyond the numbers - Droughns may have the same yards per carry, but he was doing it as a full time back...Jacobs was a part time short yardage specialist who has yet to carry the load...thus, Droughns is proven in the NFL, Jacobs has yet to prove that he can do that - the article, and the Dog for that fact, both are merely stating that this is a question mark that is yet to be answered...opinions based on fact...you base your opinions on being a fan and wanting everything to be OK...the article is stating that based on the situation, the Giants could experience a drop in production (fyi, Barber was a pretty good back) at that position - that has merit the same way it does anytime a team loses a top five player in a specific position...wow...limited...

 

I don't think you are casting unreasonable doubts, but the reporter definitely is putting a serious negative spin on the situation.

 

Tiki's style of running would give him the occasional negative rush--but he would also come up with the 20+ yard rush during a game. That would help balance out Tiki's numbers, and over the last few years with the improvement of our OLine, those negative rushes lessened, really raising his average.

 

Jacobs strikes me as a different style. I don't think he'll give us as many long runs as Tiki did, but in situations where Tiki was getting negative yardage, Jacobs will probably still get one or two yards. As I see it, we're less likely to go from 1st down on our 20 to 1st down on your 20, but we are also going to be less likely to see 3rd and long, or at least 3 and out. From a ball control standpoint, I prefer the latter.

 

Droughns was a good running back behind a miserable OLine in Cleveland--especially last year. I think it was a great pickup by us, and we got him for a steal considering that we traded Tim Carter. Jacobs having 300+ carries a season like Tiki did would probably give him a 4 year career with his current running style, and that would be a waste. Both of them getting around 150-200 carries would be a nice split, maintain the same pounding style regardless of who is in, and still keep them fresh. That, of course, assuming that Droughn's time in Cleveland hasn't ruined him. Neither is likely to get Tiki's numbers by themselves, but the two of them should approximate Tiki's rushing numbers nicely. And neither will feel burnout by the end of the season, when the running game becomes essential at home.

 

(NOTE: I'm assuming that Gilbride won't do something stupid like rush one full-time and leave the other on the bench, in which the previous paragraph goes out the window, along with the season.)

 

We're probably going to miss Tiki in passing and blitz pickup. Believe it or not, probably more in blitz pickup--because for a little guy, Tiki did very well with it. The last couple of years, for some reason, Eli and Tiki never did as much damage as Collins and Tiki did--that might be a combination of scheming, bad passing, and dropped balls. But Jacobs has done ok with the few balls thrown his way, so I'm not as worried about that.