RaginCaucasian

Money, could you please list a new big board updated with current selections removed please?

Thanks for yet again stating the obvious. Got anything new, or is it the same old dribble?

Could you also start the new thread with an updated draft board? Obviously some picks that have been PM'ed in should take some players off the list & I for one would like an updated big board if possible.

As of now he's not even signed on the boards.

If the Giants were to select DeAngelo Williams, I would definatley pull a Jets draft day boo out for this guy. MOCK DRAFT 8.0: Round 1 Pick Team Player Pos. School Previous Rising/Falling High/Low 1. Texans Reggie Bush RB Southern California 1st SAME 1st / 1st Scouts lump Bush among some of the all-time great running back talents, including LaDainian Tomlinson, Barry Sanders, O.J. Simpson and Gale Sayers. The Texans aren't going to pass up on the opportunity to add such a rare talent. 2. Saints Matt Leinart QB Southern California 2nd SAME 2nd / 3rd The Saints will dictate how the rest of the top 10 plays out. Leinart is perceived by most scouts to be the most valuable commodity remaining on the board. Potential franchise quarterbacks are rare, and the Saints will consider the former Trojan even with the free agent addition of Drew Brees. That said, the more likely scenario has the Saints trading down slightly. New Orleans has only two first-day selections. The Titans aren't likely to move up since they have only two first-day picks of their own. The Jets, however, with five picks on the first day (including Nos. 4 and 29 of the first round), have plenty of ammunition. A trade with the Jets would put the Saints in position to add Ferguson at a point of better value, or to fulfill another need at outside linebacker with A.J. Hawk. 3. Titans Vince Young QB Texas 3rd SAME 3rd / 13th Steve McNair is entering the final year of his contract and his base salary for this season is $9 million. The Titans and McNair are struggling to agree to a restructured contract, and there is no guarantee he will return to the team. The Titans appear to be quite high on Young and likely would take him here if Leinart is off the board. However, given the choice, the team seems to be leaning towards offensive coordinator Norm Chow's former protege from Southern California. The uglier the McNair situation becomes, the more determined the Titans might be to add Leinart due to his knowledge of the offense and readiness to play immediately. 4. Jets D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT Virginia 4th SAME 2nd / 6th With five picks on the first day, including two picks in each of the first and third rounds, the Jets certainly have the ammunition to move ahead of Tennessee and select quarterback Matt Leinart if they hold him in the high regard rumored. Should the Jets elect to stand pat, however, Ferguson makes too much sense to pass on if still available. 5. Packers Mario Williams DE N.C. State 5th SAME 2nd / 5th The Packers could find themselves in the enviable position of picking between the top two rated defenders of the draft. If this scenario played out, the Packers wouldn't hesitate to select Williams. 6. 49ers A.J. Hawk OLB Ohio State 6th SAME 5th / 7th Tight end Vernon Davis would make a lot of sense here as the team attempts to add weapons for young quarterback Alex Smith, but if Hawk makes it to the sixth pick, the 49ers would be wise to add to their defense first. 7. Raiders Michael Huff DB Texas 7th SAME 7th / 13th The Raiders love speed and Huff, who ran a 4.34-second 40-yard dash at the combine, has plenty of that. He also would provide the consistent open-field tackler Oakland has been searching for. 8. Bills Vernon Davis TE Maryland 8th SAME 6th / 10th Most expect the Bills to draft one of the top two defensive tackles, and Brodrick Bunkley and Haloti Ngata certainly would make sense. However, if Davis were to fall into the Bills' lap, his value and immediate impact potential could be too much to pass on. USC tackle Winston Justice could also be a consideration, as his stock continues to rise as the draft approaches. 9. Lions Winston Justice OT Southern California 9th SAME 9th / 18th Justice's superb pro day effort has his stock skyrocketing as the draft approaches. The Lions started former seventh-round pick Kelly Butler at right tackle last year and though he performed adequately, Justice would provide an immediate upgrade. 10. Cardinals Haloti Ngata DT Oregon 10th SAME 10th / 18th The Cardinals were among the NFL's worst last season in two areas critical to success: running the football and stopping the run. The addition of free agent Edgerrin James certainly addresses the offensive side and the 6-foot-4, 338-pound Ngata would close defensive gaps. 11. Rams Broderick Bunkley DT Florida State 11th SAME 8th / 11th The Rams have a great many options with this pick. Outside linebacker, tight end and quarterback Jay Cutler all make sense for various reasons. However, the Rams finished 27th in run defense last season and are seeking to replace two former first-round defensive tackles in Ryan Pickett and Damione Lewis. Bunkley broke the FSU record for tackles for loss in a season with 25 and was one of the top performers at both the Senior Bowl and combine. 12. Browns Kamerion Wimbley DE/OLB Florida State 12th SAME 12th / 18th The two primary needs for the 3-4 alignment are a nose guard and outside linebackers. Though the Browns addressed each of these positions via free agency, they are still looking for depth. Wimbley would give the club a young pass rusher to soak up knowledge from newly signed Willie McGinist. 13. Ravens Jay Cutler QB Vanderbilt 13th SAME 4th / 13th Teams are all over the board on Cutler, which could facilitate a slight drop down the board for the former SEC star. The Ravens are looking to add some competition for Kyle Boller and have closely scouted this year's passers. Quarterbacks coach Rick Neuheisel joined the Baltimore scouting staff at the Senior Bowl, where Cutler shined. The Ravens like OT Winston Justice, but his pro day performance may have vaulted him out of Baltimore's reach. 14. Eagles Ernie Sims OLB Florida State 17th (+3) 14th / 23rd Defensive coordinator Jim Johnson's defense is predicated on pressure and speed. There isn't a faster, more aggressive linebacker in this draft than Sims. He showed his 4.50-second speed in the 40-yard dash at the combine, and has drawn comparisons to another former Seminole, Tampa Bay star Derrick Brooks. 15. Broncos (from Falcons) Chad Jackson WR Florida 15th SAME 14th / 29th Rod Smith can't last forever and former first-round pick Ashley Lelie continues to struggle with consistency. The Broncos are believed to be targeting Jackson and pass rushers Wimbley and Lawson with this pick, and will simply take their choice of whoever remains. 16. Dolphins Jimmy Williams DB Virginia Tech 16th SAME 11th / 22nd Nick Saban has shown a willingness to take a chance on inconsistent athletes in the past with Ricky Williams and Manuel Wright. Williams wasn't as dominant at his pro day as expected and struggles with consistency, but is the draft's most gifted cornerback. Some might feel the Dolphins have addressed the need for corners with the recent free agent additions of Will Allen and Andre Goodman, but depth is unreliable. 17. Vikings Chad Greenway LB Iowa 25th (+8) 12th / 31st The Vikings are looking to add linebackers with speed to play in their Cover-2 scheme. Greenway could slip down the board a bit because he ran a little slower than expected at the combine (4.76) and didn't lift well, but his speed on the field along with instincts and reliable tackling is apparent on film. 18. Cowboys Jason Allen S Tennessee NR (NR) 15th / NR The Cowboys would like to add a capable athlete to play opposite Pro Bowl strong safety Roy Williams. They re-signed free safety Keith Davis, but he is a special teams dynamo the coaching staff was reluctant to even put in the starting lineup last season. Allen, who missed most of the 2005 season with a dislocated hip, has drawn red flags from some teams, but is still considered a strong first-round value. Picks 18-32 could feature a colossal run on defensive backs. 19. Chargers Tye Hill CB Clemson 19th SAME 15th / 31st The Chargers have certainly tried to address the cornerback position in the past, as they employ three former first-rounders there. Unfortunately, Quentin Jammer, Sammy Davis and Jamar Fletcher only snared three interceptions between them in 2005. Hill's explosive speed likely assures him being selected in the top 20, even if teams are wary of his less than prototypical size (5-10, 185). 20. Chiefs (from Bills) Johnathan Joseph CB South Carolina 26th (+6) 16th / 30th After releasing Eric Warfield and Dexter McCleon, the Chiefs will strongly consider top cornerback prospects with their first-round pick. Only Williams and Hill are considered locks for the top 20, however, and the Chiefs might have to reach a little. Joseph is a spectacular talent, but is certainly a gamble as the junior essentially played only one season at the D-I level. Joseph transferred to South Carolina following one season at Coffey Community College and missed most of the 2004 season to a broken foot. 21. Patriots Bobby Carpenter OLB Ohio State 21st SAME 21st / NR The Patriots rarely draft for need, but with a hole at linebacker and the versatile, instinctive Carpenter on the board, the pick makes too much sense not to be given strong consideration. Besides, with five picks in the top 105, the Patriots have plenty of opportunities to address other needs. 22. 49ers (from Broncos via Redskins) Manny Lawson DE/OLB N.C. State 14th (-8) 11th / NR With the free-agent departures of outside linebackers Julian Peterson and Andre Carter, the prospect of landing Lawson might have been a driving force behind the 49ers sending second- and third-round picks to Denver for this selection. Lawson posted 10.5 sacks his senior season and has the potential to become a big playmaker in a 3-4 scheme. However, he needs to add more bulk to his 6-5, 241-pound frame. td> 23. Buccaneers Santonio Holmes WR Ohio State 24th (+1) 14th / NR A strong defense and the running of rookie Cadillac Williams receives much of the credit for the Bucs making the playoffs last year, but the resurrection of Joey Galloway was arguably the biggest factor. His 83 receptions for 1,287 yards and 10 touchdowns topped his numbers for the previous two seasons combined. It might be asking a bit much for the 34-year-old to repeat that production in 2006. Holmes would provide an immediate upgrade in the slot and would eventually take Galloway's place as the outside vertical threat. 24. Bengals Ashton Youboty CB Ohio State NR (NR) 24th / NR Cincinnati's top need remains tight end, but cornerbacks present the best value at this point. Youboty continues the Buckeye tradition of producing high quality defensive backs. 25. Giants DeAngelo Williams RB Memphis NR (NR) 21st / NR The Giants' biggest need remains at outside linebacker, but the run on defenders could drop talented running backs down the board. Tiki Barber finished only 20 yards behind Shaun Alexander for the league's rushing title in 2005, but depth behind him is thin. Williams, the NCAA's career leader with 7,573 all-purpose yards, is a similar prospect who would give the team depth and someone for Barber to eventually pass the torch to. 26. Bears Donte Whinter S Ohio State 27th (+1) 24th / NR The Bears would love to see the talented and versatile Whitner on the board. He is viewed as athletic and instinctive enough to play either safety position, and there are some who feel he could even play cornerback after showing a quick change of direction and surprising pure speed (4.40) at the combine. 27. Panthers LenDale White RB Southern California 32nd (+5) 14th / 32nd White's torn hamstring could drop him out of the first round. However, teams willing to look past the injury and focus on his 57 career touchdowns (tying the all-time Pac-10 record) could be rewarded. The Panthers' power running game would be a great fit, and the team is certainly looking for depth at the position with the brittle DeShaun Foster as the starter. 28. Jaguars Antonio Cromartie CB Florida State 18th (-10) 18th / NR A bit of a surprise here considering the Jaguars have Rashean Mathis and just signed Brian Williams to a big contract. However, vice president of player personnel James Harris has shown a past willingness to gamble on athleticism (see Matt Jones), and Cromartie, at 6-2, 208 pounds, has been characterized as the best athlete at Florida State since Deion Sanders. Cromartie is certainly a gamble, however, as he missed the entire 2005 season with a torn ACL and started just one of 25 games with the Seminoles. 29. Jets (from Broncos) Nick Mangold C Ohio State 29th SAME 28th / NR What happens with the Jets' first pick, No. 4 overall, obviously will have a huge impact on what the Jets are looking to do here. If they draft Ferguson, they aren't likely to add another lineman in the first round. But if they fill another need at No. 4, Mangold would be a nice addition for a line that recently signed versatile veteran Trey Teague, who can play tackle or center. 30. Colts Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota 30th SAME 24th / 30th Maroney's vision and smooth running style make him a natural fit for the Colts, who are looking toward the draft to replace Edgerrin James. 31. Seahawks Kelly Jennings CB Miami 20th (-11) 20th / NR The Seahawks feel their top remaining priority this off-season is their defensive backfield. Jennings' slight frame (5-11, 178 pounds) will drop him down the board a bit, but scouts appreciate his consistency and 40 career starts with the Hurricanes. 32. Steelers Darnell Bing SS Southern California NR (NR) 32nd / NR The Steelers are expected to address wide receiver or safety with this selection. With no receivers of great value remaining, the best option might be Bing, whose size and athleticism has scouts intrigued. Fallen from the first round: Leonard Pope — Georgia TE (No. 24, Bengals) DeMeco Ryans — Alabama OLB (No. 28, Jaguars) Mathias Kiwanuka — Boston College DE (No. 31, Seahawks) RB in the first round???? It's no wonder why they say that Fox News is the official news station of the Republican party..... theses guys are so far off base with reality it isn't even funny. A RB??? Did the person/persons who thought this up even watch Giants games last season?? Aside from the fact that we couldn't keep a starting LB'er healthy all season & our secondary sucked, was there anything else I missed?

Anything less would be disappointing.

Wasn't this draft supposed to re-start tonight at 6PM? Was there a memo that I didn't get? Is Money at class tonight? Can a brother get a table dance?? Just figured I'd go for it all while I was on a roll.

A few things about Corey Webster that I'm sure the Giants took into consideration when drafting him: 1. He had played healthy for two whole seasons previous to getting injured & was part of LSU's co-championship team. 2. He did play for most of that final season with that injury (ability to play through pain) & it didn't degrade his performance enough that it would throw up a red flag. 3. He was one of the higher rated CB's going into that draft & was selected at a point commensurate with his draft grade. 4. Were there any CB's drafted after him that had real significant outcomes on their respective teams record.... not really, you could make a case for Darrent Williams & Domonique Foxworth for Denver but that's two players & neither of them were starters. Besides, Foxworth was the one who sat there like a deer in headlights while Toomer snatched Eli's winning TD pass out of mid-air in the final minute of that contest. 5. He did play in his rookie season with a slight degree of success, albeit he did get burned by Jurevicuis in Seattle but otherwise it wasn't like he was a human turnstile in the secondary. Jamaar Taylor was a 6'th rounder (correct me if I'm wrong), using a late round pick on talent that could be boom or bust I could really care less about. If you want to take chances late, fine, that's the time & place for it but I just feel that if you have a sure thing in your grasp don't let it go on the pretense that something else that just looks better might actually be.... because often enough it isn't. Just another thing concerning Jamaar, aside from the fact that the first surgeon that operated on his torn ACL performed the surgery incorrectly. He was able to get deep against the Eagles in his rookie year & nearly scored 2 TD's, his injuries have all but kept him from doing anything except practice. I do have to admit that between Carter & Taylor I have no reason as to why Carter was drafted & even less of a reason as to why he was re-signed, I do think however this year is Taylor's last year to prove he has the skill to play at this level providing his replacement isn't drafted & Jamaar makes the cut.

I'm not trying to get confrontational but with the exception of 2004 & Eli, who in recent memory have the Giants had fall to them & selected knowing there was a serious health/medical/carachter problem in the first round? And if you are going to say William Joseph, don't bother responding.

It would prove interesting if Cromartie would fall that far, he is definatley talented & the Giants do have a need at CB. The question about selecting him is do you expect him to step in and contribute immediately or down the road? From everything that I have read about Cromartie, selecting him in the first round is risky because he is a project who has a high risk factor and his selection will be made mostly based on promise rather than actual production since he only played 25 games at FSU. With the exception of recent trade for Manning when have we known the Giants to take chances with risky picks in the first round? It's not that I wouldn't welcome a talent like Cromartie to the Giants if he proves his knee is healthy but there lies the question where is the biggest need? CB or OLB? And also do you pick the best player available regardless of postion or do you draft for your teams needs?

SLB, he doesn't have the range to play WLB. He'll be good for depth but I don't want him as a starter.

I am responding to this against my better judgement however, I am not a bitter man and will give credit where credit is due. Kudos to the Devils, they certianly did turn things around post-Robinson.... with that being said it should be one hell of a series (as all of the previous ones have). I as a Rangers fan am not one of those that are said to be "quaking in their boots", I am confident in my teams ability & being that we did split the regular season series against the Devils & only finished a point apart in the standings I can say that streaks aside these two teams are pretty fairly balanced. Barring either team collapsing completely in this series whichever opponent faces the winner of this series is going to face one tired, battered hockey club. This series could go the distance & will certianly be a drag-out street fight, good luck to both teams as they will certianly need it.

I'll be at work but I'm going to tune all of the TV's in the A/V section to the Rangers game & pipe the audio through the PA system.... Let's Go Rangers!!!!!

There were several teams interested in him last year when he was an RFA but they were dissuaded by the fact he wanted starting MLB money & had almost no history of being able to stay healthy for an entire season (as was evident when his "pulled hammy" let Kevin Lewis beat him for the starters job in 2004) & the fact that he hasn't been able to be anything other than a super subtitiute.... I'm not sure that he's a full time MLB (which he thinks he is & wants to be paid as such), he's kinda like the white version of Michael Barrow, good against the run but out of postition on pass plays (limited mobility). He's not coming back unless his demands (salary-wise or other) are lowered, especially given the depth at LB'er in this draft.

Here is the worst part about that.... Jack Johnson is going to start playing on an incredibly good team in Carolina. That's not to say that we aren't talented but I think that Johnson is really going to help take Carolina's defense to a whole different level. I can't wait to see Staal, I haven't seen too much of him except in pre-season & he looked close to being ready then... hopefully with another season of junior to his resume he'll fit right in. Hopefully Kasparitis will be back soon but the most important thing is that we get Lundqvist back soon..... I can't see Weekes winning a 7 game series for us unless the offense starts pumping in 6 goals per game.

A fourth round pick wouldn't be in the first day.... to be honest with you after watching him play against the Giants last season in San Diego he is a very good player who could step in immediately, getting him for a 3'rd round pick IMO would be a steal.

See the thread, hopefully some of the kids will spark this lineup!!! Let's go Rangers!!!

MRI reveals torn hamstring.

The rally monkey.

Staal to join Rangers in a few days after immigration paperwork clears. Korpikoski signs with Rangers.

Drew! 2 questions; One, what's more fun... the money or the fame? Two, why is it that so many people hate those of us that are so successful in life? You mean you don't know Lockhart? Oh, he claims he was a great reciever at some college .... obviously not talented enough to get drafted, signed as a free agent or retain the services of a great sports agent like yourself . Nowadays he makes his money $12.00 at a time...... the hard way.

I don't know what was so hard for everyone else to do, this was set up at least 2 weeks in advance with clear instructions as to what would happen to those who couldn't be there to make their pick. In the first round I wasn't able to make my pick live so I sent Money a list of 10 players in advance... likewise for tonight but as you can see I was able to participate. I'm all in favor of keeping this going after this weekend, which would obviously require some rescheduling but I fully understand Money's point of putting in all of this hard work to set this up, get peoples commitments & then have 80% not participate. I would be disapointed as well, if the draft continues so be it but I have to side with Money on this as he has put too much work into this just to let certian individuals non-participation ruin it for everyone else.

Why, who would you have selected?

***NEW SELECTION*** The Bengals are proud to select with their 2'nd round choice: Jonathan Lewis (DT) Virginia Tech

No need to use my list Money, I'm here tonight.