BadEgg

Didn't Jacobs get stuffed on another 3rd and 1 last night (not sure, I was listening on radio with fuzzy reception)? But, if he did, is he not be paid if for nothing else to make that first down? How may times has this guy been stuffed on short yardage situations?

Interestingly, I can sum up Giants/Eagles in 2 sentences -- by simply relying on my summary of Giants/49ers. What say you BigBlue? Do we have a pattern forming here?

I don't know, Nas. The INT's he has thrown the last two weeks were as bad as any QB I have every seen. And you have the protect the ball better than that on the last fumble. He steps up to avoid the rush so he has to know guys are behind him -- especially given the pressure he was under all night. That was not an elite effort last night. Montana, who is the definition of elit, didn't finish off drives like that. If he had, we wouldn't even remember who he was...

' I can sum it up in 2 sentences: 1) Eli is not elite and made errors and displayed poor judgment at critical junctures. 2) The Giants defense is overrated.

Calm down, I was not trying to make a broad statement about anything, or make any comparisons what so ever to the Pats or anyother team. I was just attempting to point out that it is not necessary to go back in time and kidnap Joe Montana in the prime of his career to thwart this ever indimidating and seemingly unstoppable 49ers team. Get a guy with 2 healthy lungs, a live arm, and fire away...

For the sake of simplifying all of these posts and sticking to the topic at hand -- a Giants team that will eventually be exposed and sent home, partically because of overrated QB play -- let's set the record straight for the 100th time: I am not the Dog. I agree with much of what he says but I am a Dallas fan and I too am curious who he roots for. If he is a Cowboys fan he should come out and say it -- because I don't appreciate closet fans either. And you're not getting under my skin by blending us together. I just find that it wastes time and space. Now BB will never get this. But that's what makes BB special. There are some things that he'll just never get. But the rest of us can probably agree to stop wasting time and space of the dog/egg nonsense.

I agree here Dog. The Giants should win this game. Let's not forget that the Cowboys beat them with a QB that had 1 working lung and a WR named Jessie Holley.

Nas, go back and look at my posts. I have more than given the Giants credit for being 6-2. As I said earlier, they are doing what they need to do and their coaching staff has been outstanding to this point. Now why is that not enough? Why are you not satisified unless we get down on our knees and pay homage to Manning's little brother?

Yes, cherry picking. Sort of like suppressing the fact that Danny Woodhead is not the second coming of Jim Brown. Or pretending that the 2011 Pats are the Pats of old.

These "expert" opinions are based on past performances against 8 opponents who may have 8 of the first 10 picks in next year's draft when all is said and done. That's the problem with throwing around the word "elite" in week 8, especially with a team and QB that has by enlarge failed to live up to the hype on the back end of the season.

Not to get into the Dog's way, but what I SAW during the Giants/Pat's game CONFIRMED what I already KNEW: Danny Woodhead is not Fred Jackson. Not Beanie Wells. And not even Marshawn Lynch. And McCoy? Let's not even go there. But, by all means, thump your chest for shutting down the dreaded Danny Woodhead. I willing to bet that the Giants would have shut Woodhead down week 1. But would be gashed by Fred Jackson next week. And all of this proves my point: When you need to resort to Wes Welker running a reverse, your offense desperately lacks playmakers. Brady has no one that can legitimately stretch the field. And no one that can run the ball.

Yes, when Victor Cruz made a 1-handed bobbling catch between 2 Seattle DB's after his "elite" QB wisely threw into double coverage, it was Eli "willing" and "mentoring" him into the endzone. Same could be said when he turned a short pass into a long TD against the Eagles. Or when he wrested the ball away from Eagles defenders for the last score. As to Steve Smith, when he was 100% healthy it could be argued that he was irreplaceable. In fact, what made Smith great was that he almost always found a way to get open. A credit to Smith and the offensive coordinator...hmmm... Speaking of which, could the fact that the Giants WR are having so much success be attributed to the "mentoring" of the coaching staff? Nah...It's all Eli.

Not really. A slow day is scouring the internet for doggy videos. Much too busy for that.

Without digging up the videos and statistics I seem to remember Victor Cruz making Eli look good a play or two. Granted, he didn't catch the ball with his helmet but... Just sayin...

Here I am, in my mother's basement, laughing my ass off.

Who brags about almost beating the Pats? You know I think you make stuff up. I stand by what I said. I would love to say that the Cowboys almost beat an "elite" -- there's that word again -- an "elite" Pat's team. Truth is, Pats aren't that good. They weren't that good when the Cowboys played them and they still aren't that good. Hell, I'm not impressed by how the Cowboys played against a crappy Seahawks team last weekend. Great teams don't let the Seahawks hang around. Period. Romo is not a choker. But I'll save that argument for another day and a more worthy adversary.

The reshuffled OL has nothing to do with it because they still block pretty damn well. Nicks is hurt but he was not having a no # 1 WR type year anyway. The Giants WR are pretty damn good, with or without Nicks. Ballard is doing pretty good as well. Truthfully, you put Brady on the Giants last Sunday and give him the Patriots defense to pick apart and he runs up 350 yards and 40 points. Manning is not Brady. Not now. IMO, the Giants are extremely well coached. And they have a done a good job putting talent around Eli. And you have to give them credit for being 6-2. But to label last Sunday and any of the Giants accomplishments thus far anything more than solid team play is absurd. Especially with 8 games to go. And by the way, that was a great pick Brady Jr threw in the endzone. Elite decision making. If Tom Brady had any weapons to work with the game would have been over at that moment.

Sure...I will admit they are on par with those teams. But if they make the playoffs and are obliterated by Detriot, will the Giants get a special trophy for being on par with those teams and will Eli get the "on par" MVP award?

You can't take away the TEAM win. A win is a win. But to elevate this to anything more is just silly. I had the Cowboys as an 8-8, 9-7 type team at the beginning of the year. The most disappointing thing about their loss to the Patriots is not that they lost to the Patriots, is that they lost to an average team. That's what the 2011 Patriots are. Average. By year's end, they may be a joke. The Patriots are smoke and mirrors and their coach and QB deserve tons of credit for what they are doing. Average to below average defense (actually statistically ranked dead last in the NFL). No running game. No deep threat. Nothing. At best, the Patriots are one and done in the playoffs. Take it for what it's worth. One more step in the ladder that the Giants need to make a run. But if you are labeling anything or anyone elite at this point you are fooling yourself. And you're smarter than that. The rest of the season will prove me right.

Hmmmm...the "critics"... The same critics Giants fans ridicule every year for picking their team and their QB to be average... The same critics that jump the gun on almost every judgment...partially because it is their job... Let's see what these critics are saying in Dec and Jan when, some numbnuts safety on a Patriots team that is not even in the playoffs is not around to obliterate a covered WR at the 1 yardline to whom, our "elite" QB admits that he was not even looking to hook up with -- our "elite" QB was actually throwing the ball away... I'm sure there will be plenty of people "revising" their comments by year's end. I don't think I will be one of them. The house of cards will fall. And I'm not talking about Arizona.

4...FOUR...count them...4 Turnovers my friend... Maybe one of the reasons that Eli always has to come from behind is because... HE IS NOT PLAYING WELL ENOUGH THE FIRST 3 QUARTERS OF THE GAME... SEE...Gift INT TD he gave to the Redskins in Week 1, which I believe was the 2nd Q...

Forgetting about the FUMBLES and the other picks, according to the GIANTS radio broadcast team, had... Mr. Eli "Elite" Manning looked he would have seen that Bradshaw was so WIDE OPEN he could have "MOONWALKED" into the endzone. Those are not my words... But I guess Eli doesn't get paid to make those reads. Gilbride's fault. But here is the bright side...You guys could be saddled with Mr. Tom "4 interceptions' Brady... Right, Fishy????

I think we can finally retire this thread. A special thanks to Brandon Browner for demonstrating what we already know in convincing fashion. Lots to discuss on the dreaded Tavarious Jackson and Charlie Whitehurst but we'll save that for another time. I'm just happy that we can put this Eli "debate" to bed once and for all.

Bottom line is that there are probably more than15 other QBs that could have won the Giants the Superbowl in 2007 and would not have needed a freaky circus catch by a no-name WR to do it.

Linus?