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Ojulari didn't practice again today. So it's fairly safe to say at this point that the 2021 draft is a bust, and might be the worst in giants history, at least of the last four decades.

Yes, but that's not saying much.

We're going at least 1-5, and then 1-6 either way at this point, no matter the QB. Frankly, I'd rather we don't get Jones killed and don't kill his confidence at this point, and just roll with Tyrod for now.

I think Jaman Brown and Mike Remmers are free agents too. Might as well give them a shot while we're at it.

"Are you a young man in your 20's? Are you over 280 lbs, and can you breath? Then the NY giants are interested in you; come on down anytime to tryout for our offensive line! We currently have these open positions: starting guard, starting guard, starting center, starting right tackle....backup guard, backup guard, backup guard, backup tackle."

If Caleb Williams is there, I'd take him, and use the other 5 premium assets on OL and DL.

100%. I'd still add DT depth too (Davidson hasn't proven he can stay healthy, Robinson and Williams are gone after this season).

I get it that Schoen has put assets into the OL last year, but it just hasn't worked out, and they were not good on paper coming into the season. The Giants OL is not an Andrew Thomas away from being good, or even average. They came into the season with 4 out of 5 starting spots being questionable, and wishful thinking. Bredeson and Glowinski are bums, Neal and JMS were unproven and we were relying on them to take a leap (as I always say, you can get away with one, maybe two "wishful thinking" guys on the OL IF the other guys on the OL are solid, which they weren't on this team). Sorry, but $11M for Barkely, $4M for Campbell, and $10M for Leonard Williams (appox cap savings before they altered his deal), could have been used on the OL. Minus shuffling the practice squad, Schoen didn't put anything into the OL this offseason....like at all. Also, why the fuck are Peart and Lemieux even on this roster? They're not even backup caliber lineman, lol.

Say we have cap space in 2024 free agency for three good/premium free agents, plus we have three picks in the top three rounds. I honestly would be completely fine if we used all six or five of six of those assets on the OL and DL/DE positions, at this point. Why wouldn't we? Consider the 9-10 starting positions on the OL and DL: we currently only have 2 reliable starters (Thomas, Lawrence), plus I assume we're obviously going to give JMS a continued shot to develop. Maybe Thibs develops, maybe he doesn't and is only a pass rush specialist. Same with Neal, whether he moves to guard or stays at Tackle. Either way, that's basically 5-6 starting spots that need to be filled in 2024. Leonard Williams will be a FA and is overrated anyway (maybe if he signs a 1 year ~$4M deal, you bring him back), Bredeson is a FA who should be only a backup anyway, Glowinski will need to be cut for cap space who needs to retire anyway. Fill in the rest of the roster in 2024 at DB, WR, LB, RB with mid-lower end FAs and mid-late round draft picks.

He's a 2nd round pick, so doesn't get a year 5 option. But yeah, he's not a guy we can rely on. Needs to be replaced.

They got Dell #68th overall in the 3rd, but I'm with you in that maybe 3rd round or later is about as high as you go for these types of players, unless they put up Jaylen Waddle or Tyreke Hill type speed numbers and proven durability in college.

Also Ernie Arcosi: Kareem McKenzie, Shaun O'Hara, plus nailed it on Chris Snee and Deihl. Even Petitgout was decent for awhile.

Yes but somehow the Dolphins pull off fielding 5'10 smallish WRs. Zay Flowers, Josh Downs, and Marquis Brown are good too.

Edit; nm I take it back they all suck.

I suppose Robinson is like every other receiver on this team, which is "I like him as a #3 WR, lol"

Also, can I just remind everyone that McKinney sucks and shouldn't be on the roster next year either? He's supposed to be over the top on Tyreke Hill here, but instead comes up too many steps, and gets caught looking into the backfield. This is less on Hawkins than it is on McKinney (Hawkins can't be expected to run full on with Hill).

I'm not saying he can't be salvaged or cant develop, but we can't rely on him to be a starter next season at this rate. We'd have to plan on others being starters at RT and G. If he outcompetes them, then great.

I have to believe it's not just the coaching too. It's the scouting. Look at 2022. Tyler Smith over on Dallas is an absolute stud on the OL. Charles Cross when healthy has at least been okay (avg starter), and looks like he's developing at least. Also, Tyler Lindenbaum, Zion Johnson etc. We somehow fucking whiffed that badly on Neal. Let's also not act like RT for Neal is an experiment. He played there for a full season at Alabama in 2020, and you had some draft analysts saying he might be better at RT and RG because he doesn't move as well as might be needed for LT at this level.

Robinson at WR as well. We're just not utilizing him properly because our QBs have no time

That's fine, but again, two FA OL starters are needed in support, plus at least one OL draft pick in rounds 2-3 (and/or trade or trade up)....plus three backups, especially considering Bredeson and Peart are free agents, and I'm assuming we cut Glowinski to save $6M and invest in someone else. The OL needs an overhaul either way.

Welp, this was always the risk with Jones. We knew he was injury prone when we signed him (similarly with Barkley as well). One would think if we just signed a QB to a massive contract, that we'd try to put a capable OL around him, but again...guess we had to have Leonard Williams, Darren Waller, and Barkley instead...cause those guys are really driving success on this team LOL. Honestly injured or not, just roll with Tyrod Taylor the rest of the way. With the current OL we have, we're doing to get Jones killed and injured worse. The season is a botched and lost cause anyway. Why play Jones just to see him running for his life and getting pounded on 90% of drop backs? This can only hurt him.

Actually, I think you're right. I now recall, Caroline with a journeyman Andy Dalton put up 27 pts versus the Seahawks, while we couldn't manage 3. Their offense at least has 4 TD's the last two games, which is 4 more than ours, lol.

I'm not sure why Neal and Ezeudu need coaching to tell them to put their hands on the defender... or to at least try to stand in the way of the defender. I think they just suck. Also look at the Center (Bredeson is it?) duck and lunge, and get beat right away. That's another play on this that's a disaster. Credit to McKethan; he did everything he could possibly do, and nearly blocked two guys at once. Also fucking Glowinski on the left side didn't see the stunt coming, and he didn't touch the guy. Jesus fucking christ they are pathetic. I think these guys just suck and aren't seeing who they need to block.

By the way, outside Carolina, I think we're the worst team in the league. The point differential for the giants is the worst in the league. If you remove the 3rd and 4th quarter vs the Cardinals, it becomes pathetic, and they haven't scored an offensive TD in the last 10 quarters. At least Carolina has the excuse of trying to groom a rookie QB (who looks bad so far, and looks like he needs time to develop). At least they're in a rebuild. We just signed a QB to $160M, but in terms of allocating the rest decided to bring in Waller at $52M, plus insisted on keeping a $32M Williams and $11M Barkley on the roster, instead of investing in an offensive line. A lot of people want to blame OL injuries, but Bredeson, Glowinski, and Neal have been playing like shit, and they were relied on to be our day 1 starters.