Zelmo

Dude Romo is a great QB. Throws a better ball than Manning. But who the heck cares. This isn't Madden or fantasy football. It's the NFL. Let's compare the TEAMS since 2000: Giants: 101-79 Cowboys: 90-90 Giants: 3 losing seasons...2 of them they won less than 7 games Cowboys: 5 losing seasons...All 5 of them they won less than 7 games, including 5 win seasons three times Giants: 6 seasons winning 10 or more games Cowboys: 3 seasons winning 10 or more games Giants: 6 playoff appearances, including 2 SB appearances and 1 win Cowboys: 4 playoff appearances, no SB play NOTE: The Cowboys made the playoffs in 2006 with a 9-7 record, while the Giants missed the playoffs in 2010 with a 10-6 record. I happened to have picked 2000 arbitrarily, but now I see it's dirty because you guys rattled off three straight 5 win seasons starting 2000...well, those seasons did happen. It's been a long time since the Cowboys have had anything on the Giants. -Z

It seems the more time passes since the 2007 SB run, the more the Giants of that year are being spun as some sort of defensively suffocating team. That's really not how the dynamics were. At all. You want an example of a defense carrying an offense, making mediocre play completely irrelevant? You're thinking of the 2000 Ravens. In their four playoff games in 2000, the Ravens gave up a combined 23 points...23 points...in four games!!! Including only two touchdowns, one of which was a kickoff return during the Giants game. So in four games the Ravens gave up one offensive touchdown. Two of those games their opponent only scored three points. The 2007 run was simply not like that. The one game the defense won, hands down, was the actual SB game. Fueled almost completely by a vicious pass rush, they held the most prolific offense in NFL history to 14 points, 22 points below their season average. They took away the Patriots big plays and by the time the Pats adjusted it was too late. The other games I wouldn't give the game ball particularly to either unit. It was a combined team effort. Even the pass rush wasn't so blatantly monsterous in the other games, it was just very good. In fact in the 2007 regular season the Giants were ranked 14th in points scored and 17th in points allowed. Also, Eli's performance in the GB game was nothing short of amazing. Even though he ended up 21 for 40 with no TD's, anyone who saw that game knows he was excellent. Timing, accuracy, poise, everything was there under extremely hostile conditions, both related to the game itself, an NFC Championship game in Lambeu, and to the weather, being one of the most frigid games of all time. In closing I'll point out that just as no amount of stats can show that Eli Manning is as good as Tom Brady, so too a perfunctory and superficial comparison of Eli's and Hostetler's game stats during their playoff runs also doesn't do any justice. I was a baby for the Hostetler SB run, and so have no idea what the dynamics were like, but I was around for the Eli SB run, and no one who was there could describe it as a basically mediocre QB just not turning the ball over while the defense went out and won the day. Eli didn't just not make mistakes, he played very well during that stretch. It's a shame that over the years it's slowly being portrayed otherwise. -Z

We're gonna weather this. Bradshaw can carry the load, Boothe fills in admirably, and we have DE's. (If we start losing other linemen, then we're in real trouble.) The rest of the league will need to worry if a team going through this much adversity gets one or two guys back and gets on a roll. -Z

I like Eli, and am happy he's been playing well and I hope he puts together a really great season, both for the team and statistically as well because it'll shut people up. But you can cook up any statistic you want, Eli Manning is not in Tom Brady's league as a QB, at all. And that's not even a knock on Eli, Brady is simply ridiculous. Just watch the guy play, it's not even difficult for him anymore. More accurate than pointing out the eli in elite would be to point out the eli in believe. With Eli, you gotta believe, with the Giants, you gotta believe. That's just the kind of team they are and have been for a while. They don't just come out and steamroll people. -Z

Watch out you're lobbing a softball to the dog for him to say that forget about backups, even our current starter only made it through the playoffs in 2007 on other people's backs. -Z

I read straight through from your title to your post and thought that Tiki Barber looked through your closet today and found your Tiki Barber jersey.......then your post got confusing. And then comprehension dawned. -Z

We're building character...I hope......maybe But honestly as long as the injuries don't cross a certain tipping point, I think we can weather them. -Z

I actually think Boothe played excellent after the initial blown play. He doesn't make me that nervous starting at center. -Z

I wanna know this too...it looked like we owned that stadium. -Z

What's Baas's status? -Z

What's Baas's status? -Z

Wow that was really well done...puts guys in a different light. -Z

Not making fun of him, but he supposedly scored a 6, which is really dismal. Part of the reason why when there's some sort of route miscommunication between him and Eli, and the replay doesn't clearly indicate who's fault it was, I tend to pin it on Mario. It's just more likely that he's the one making the mental mistake. (Eli scored a 38 or 39 or something I don't remember.) 6 is just really really dismal. -Z

That's actually exactly why it was a fumble by Eli. He lost possesion going down, Cruz never lost possesion he just wasn't touched and left the ball there. This is actually kinda similar to the distinction between the Victor Cruz play last week against the Eagles and the Calvin Johnson play, Victor Cruz didn't have to maintian possesion going to the ground because he had already established possesion. Darn Cruz making the refs work the rulebook. -Z

I think Boothe played out the game....and did a good job after that first play disaster. -Z

Random question...Let's say Cruz had been ruled down by contact, and they were reviewing that...the play was whistled dead, so how could they give the Cardinals possesion? -Z

Lol...you got me on that one.... Maybe his girl problems got passed the stage where he cares and its messing with his head to the stage where he's just pissed about it? -Z

He's also been throwing the ball more on a rope and with zip instead of floating it high. -Z

Did you see him him yank Bradshaw into position by the collar when they were trying to run a hurry-up and Bradshaw was busy jabbing with the defense? -Z

Yeah this pissed me off the whole game...before the Cardinals second to last drive when we needed to stop them, and stop them quick, I was going crazy that Tollefson should be out there and not Osi................and was soooo happy when he was. -Z

I understand the rule...I'm not one of these guys who thinks refs are like supposed to be judicial activists or something and not call by the rulebook. The refs should definitely call what's in the rulebook, as weird as the rules may be. Just on second watch wasn't sure if he had given himself up or not. -Z

You thought it was properly applied? When the play happened I thought Cruz kinda just dove down, what they're calling "giving himself up", but on the replay it looked kinda like he tripped. I gotta check it out again. -Z

I don't feel guilty about this for two reasons. Number one because, well because a W is a W, and that basically squashed whatever feelings of guilt were stirring. And number two is because it's not like the refs messed up on some play where the Cardinals stripped one of our guys or something, or made a nice play against us, causing a fumble, and then the refs screwed up. It was in fact us that had just made an excellent play, and as unbelievable as the call was by the refs, all it did was take away what would have been an equally unbelievable brain fart and assinine mistake by Cruz. Being that Cruz shouldn't have done what he did in a million years, and had they ruled it a fumble it would have been one of the most head shaking ridiculously stupid things I've ever ever witnessed, I don't feel too bad about the refs giving it to us. To me it's a lot different than the refs screwing up a big call concerning actual football competition, as opposed to just reversing Cruz's idiocy. -Z

This. If I remember correctly some of his relatives even showed up to the draft in their native dress. -Z