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i don't agree. wr is one of the hardest positions to start a rookie right away. if amukamara's a true elite talent (top ten draft) he should be judged by his performance vs the best not the guy he shut out from western kentucky.

first, this list is about superbowl wins, so the rapists loss against the packers isn't part of the topic. again, he has THE worst performance, in the superbowl, of any qb to win it. that is a qualifier. his other victory was nearly as unimpressive.

of those two, giants. of the nfl, neither of those two.

:yawn

rob hasn't been in the nfl long, but he has significantly improved the defenses he has coached. ypg, ypg, ypg. so you're sign of a good coordinator is one who is top ten in yards allowed, but 16th in scoring defense (rob's defense was 9th btw) and this vs meager competition. how did perry do vs winning teams? million dollar question. 1-4 vs winners. 9-2 vs losers. combined record of teams beaten by the gints 52-86. and that includes an 11-5 chicago team that was still learning a new offense.

it can be a fluke and an indiputable completion. correct?

help me out here. how does Lloyd having 2 fluke catches in a game, prove tyree's catch was no fluke? it does not. i'm not buying for one second that that catch is more miraculous than tyree's, nor that you believe it to be. i've seen one handed grabs in high school, college, and pro games. i've yet to see another like tyree's. so far it's been compared to smith's 3rd down catch, boss' 30 yarder, antonio brown's helmet grab, and now Lloyd's one hander. come on. reaching the fact harrison is more physical, had good position, and was pulling tyree's arms lends to the legend of the play. there's really nothing tired about it is there. if there were no element of truth in my words, there wouldn't be 10+ pages of debate on the subject. i could come in here and state the sun is red, and there would likely be little to no response. but the truth is the little itch you have to scratch

emotion and attitude are not the same thing it's a shame i have to be part of such a lame discussion. you have no football left in you? you jealous you didn't get a 'good post' from me? hahah

Trent Dilfer scored. Your offense did not. At least give the man his due. We're discussing teams that win superbowls, in my 'cowboys in 2012' thread. i like that. You're saying it was a gimme win cause we face o'donnell, and i say facing a mediocre (or subpar as in dilfer's case) qb isn't a guranteed victory. Before O'donnell threw those picks in the superbowl, he was leading the league in int%. was there a real question in there or just a request to discuss?

Check out amuka's performance vs ncaa's best wr in 2010, justin blackmon (youtube amukamara vs blackmon) Other than blackmon he didnt face another nfl ready wr

Im talking about nyg perry not buffalo perry. In buff he had more players who fit his scheme How has that worked out in nyc? What team did you beat last year that inspired this confidence in perry? Whats the win/loss on teams you beat last year? You beat the weak

and the purpose of fa?

Osi smells

Thanks T. For the record, its bigblue's flamewar not mine. Im just owning the fuckin thing.

i could base one of the gints superbowl wins on the fact that the Ravens once had a qb named Trent Dil ... oh nevermind. Discuss?

Circus, miracle, fluke. Only to gint fans does this distinction matter. I doubt it. Everyone who has joined this debate has attempted to compare it with another, less miraculous play. I think it suits your purpose in the debate, but i dont doubt for a second that youve all called it the greatest play of all time to anyone who would listen. If Lloyd has a better play, post it and poll them head to head. Ive seen the play as much as anyone here. You should scrap the video for still shots. Clearly the ball is within an inch of the turf. I didnt make an observation about who was more physical on the play, but that harrison is/was a more physical player than Tyree period. Height, weight, athleticism. Now how does such a tired discussion get so much interest from those who are most tired of it?

Notice how you called me 'dumbass' in your first response, while he did not. Why would i have the same attitude toward you both?

interesting stats amukamara had 13 passes defended in 2010 and came away with zero picks. his counterpart dennard had 11 passes defended and 4 picks. prince was targeted over 50 times in 2010

i can't agree. that catch could've happened alone and in a preseason game and people would still call it a miracle (or circus in the least) catch. harrison was pulling on the single arm that was holding the ball. he's much more physical than tyree. nevermind the fact when tyree came down, he was bent backwards over harrison's body and the ball came within an inch of hitting the turf, and likely bouncing free. remember, miracle wasn't my choice of words, but it seems to be a popular choice amongst nfl analysts.

nnamdi, to be fair, is doing it in the pros we'll see if the prince can do the same

true, and

I thought this was a nice objective piece by a gints blog. give us something to discuss anyway. Prince or Pauper? Written by Glenn Warciski | 29 April 2011 Did the Giants make a smart move by selecting defensive back Prince Amukamara? Let us take a look at our experts thoughts on Prince Amukamara: Wonder: Brutally hard evaluation. Everything you look for. He'll go top 10 in the draft, but too high for me. Body of Revis but does not transition well from the backpedal to the sprint. Pete: I have problems here. Physical talent. That he did not have any interceptions his senior year really bothers me. Good player cannot recommend him higher. Looking at Wonder's and Pete's draft boards, Prince Amukamara's name is highlighted in red. In both of their vetting of draft prospects, Prince was a bottom five value versus consensus player. In other words, both of our experts believe he is a player they disliked versus consensus. And both graded him as a THREE. A three grade equates to a solid starter. Generally speaking, when both of our experts agree on a player, the confidence in their evaluation is increased. Interestingly, Bill Parcells shares Pete's skepticism about Amukamara. In his Draft Confidential program which aired on ESPN, Parcells mentioned Prince's short arms as a concern. Because he has a short arm span, this was a major reason he did not have any interceptions his senior year. This was corroborated by the Sun Sentinel's analysis of Amukamara. According to the Sun-Sentinel, he has short arms and small hands, which might explain why he didn't record an interception as a senior. Another interesting tidbit from their analysis: Also gets caught with eyes in the backfield too often. Therefore, the selection of Amukamara fits defensive coordinator Perry Fewell's Tampa 2 scheme. The Giants obtained a player who can play off coverage. But remember Fewell's scheme does not work against the top notch quarterbacks. Amukamara may get away with watching a mediocre quarterback's eyes. However, the better quarterbacks (Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, and Tom Brady) will not give away any freebies. In summary, the Giants added a player who can help improve their pass defense. But at what cost? Prior to the draft, we at UltimateNYG targeted pass defense, special teams, offensive line, and linebacker as areas of need. Despite having many positions to bolster, a beaming Tom Coughlin called Prince, “clearly the highest-rated player on the board.” Giants GM Jerry Reese added,“It happens like that sometimes in the draft — guys can fall right into your lap, and we think that’s what happened.” Let us hope they are correct. Note- Thanks to GMC for their sponsorship of this blog at the Draft last night. Andy here, my quick takeaway is that those who think we stole the Brink's truck are simply mistaken. Many who worked him out privately passed on him. The Giants did not work him out and took him. That Kiper and Mayock loved the guy and had him in their Top 10 is not the be-all-end-all. Our two draft analysts panned him (well before the draft), so this is as objective as you can possibly get. We had a ranking for him at 28 and 35. Shouldn't that tell you something? He'll be a good player, but don't go thinking this is a home run. For those of you thinking he was a home run, you'll get graded as draft analysts with a "1" elite rating for the player. Our draft analysts are already on record as having him as a '3' solid starter. If he makes it to the pro bowl ('2') it will be a push (without meeting a critical need, i.e. Castonzo at Tackle). If he makes it as a consistent impact player, then he is a "home run." And if he is a solid starter like we project him to be, then this is a very normal and ordinary pick for Round 1, which averages a 3.5. Of course we leave room for our analysts to be wrong. But UltimateNYG's analysts are here for a reason, to separate the facts from the noise. Mel Kiper is, quite frankly, a lot of the latter.

you've made it clear you have nothing to add but prepubescent tantrums and insult slinging. an approval seeker would never go to a rivals website. that's counter intuitive.

not at all. i wouldn't hate anyone here. pity maybe. i have a high opinion of most on this board so far.