Mr. P Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 As the late comedian Rodney Dangerfield used to say, "I don't get no respect." The same holds true for certain players around the league. Last week, I had to react to the fact that Eli Manning didn't make the Top 100 Players of 2011, and it got me thinking about perception of other overlooked players. Whether it's public or media-driven, there's simply not enough attention paid to certain guys. We recognize they're good, but we don't always see them as really good. Some players deserve recognition for just how good they are, and hopefully this will shed a little light on what they bring. Joe Flacco, QB, Ravens While Flacco came in at No. 90 on the top 100, there's a case he could have come in higher. He's led his team to the playoffs in each of his three seasons. In that time, Flacco has thrown 60 touchdowns, 34 interceptions and has an 87.9 passer rating. Tell me how much different people perceive Matt Ryan, who, in the same amount of time, has thrown 66 touchdowns, 34 interceptions and has an 86.9 passer rating? Ryan is 0-2 in playoffs as compared to Flacco's 4-3 postseason record. This past season, Flacco threw 25 touchdowns to just 10 interceptions. Even though those numbers compare favorably to Ryan's 28 TDs and nine picks, try and find a fan who thinks the two quarterbacks are in the same class. There seems to be rumors floating around that Flacco doesn't do the extra work required to be great, something I find hard to believe after discussing his preparation with him a number of times. Matt Forte, RB, Bears Forte is an all-around back who lives in the shadows of greats like Adrian Peterson, Chris Johnson and Michael Turner. To appreciate Forte, you really have to look at the total yardage picture and not just the rushing totals. Over the past three years, Forte has gained 4,731 total yards with 25 touchdowns. Steven Jackson has 4,783 yards and 18 touchdowns over the same period of time. Turner has 4,102 yards and 39 scores. Jamaal Charles has 3,981 yards and 17 TDs. Darren McFadden only has 3,050 yards and 15 touchdowns. Point being, Forte is every bit the weapon other backs are around the league. However, for some reason, he isn't on the tip of anyone's tongue when the great runners are discussed. Osi Umenyiora, DE, Giants Who forced a league-leading 10 fumbles last season? Umenyiora achieved the feat to go along with his 11.5 sacks. In fact, he has 19 forced fumbles and 31.5 sacks over the past three years. Compare those numbers to John Abraham with 35 sacks and seven forced fumbles or Dwight Freeney's 34 sacks and 10 forced fumbles. The next closest player to forcing fumbles over the past three seasons is James Harrison with 18. Sacks are great, but getting the ball jarred loose and creating a potential turnover is more important to most coaches. Not many can hang with Umenyiora in that regard. Santana Moss, WR, Redskins Santana Moss is a free agent, but you wouldn't know it with all the speculation about Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Plaxico Burress and Chad Ochocinco. Santana Moss finished fourth in the NFL last year with 93 receptions and 10th in yardage. He hasn't missed a game in three years, you never hear a peep out of him and he's younger than the guys mentioned above. His six touchdown receptions tied him with Larry Fitzgerald, Santonio Holmes and DeSean Jackson. Santana Moss also had 61 of his 93 receptions for a first down, which was tied for fourth best in the league and more than Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Marques Colston or Dwayne Bowe. The Giants' offensive line Three years ago, the unit was talked about as one of the best in the NFL. However, the perception changed as the line began to be described as an aging group that needed to be rebuilt. Even though the line dealt with a number of injuries, it still graded out as one of the best, if not the best, in an overall view. The Giants finished sixth in rushing yardage, tied for sixth in yards per attempt and sixth in rushing touchdowns. Things were even better when it came to pass protection. They were tied for the fewest sacks allowed with 16 and third in hits allowed on the quarterback with 52. Eli Manning was sacked an average of once a game and hit three times. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82019866/article/in-the-shadows-flacco-forte-among-guys-who-deserve-credit?module=HP_cp2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 OSI !!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBLUE01 Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Osi and our front line.......LOVE EM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Osi isn't one-third the player Michael Strahan was. Without Justin Tuck, Osi would be useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashTalker92 Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 Osi isn't one-third the player Michael Strahan was. Without Justin Tuck, Osi would be useless. Well, you're comparing Osi with a future hall of famer.. that just ain't even fair. second you rather have kiwi of JPP take Osi's spot? come on man give credit where it's due.. I would agree that Tuck is better than Osi but I rather have Osi than 90% of the DE in the league... yeah, i said it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 Well, you're comparing Osi with a future hall of famer.. that just ain't even fair. second you rather have kiwi of JPP take Osi's spot? come on man give credit where it's due.. I would agree that Tuck is better than Osi but I rather have Osi than 90% of the DE in the league... yeah, i said it!!! I would most definitely have Kiwi take over Osi's spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Storm you are seriously stupid and have done too many drugs back in the day. Osi is all world all pro and its not even worth the debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Kiwi has a fucked up vertabrae and Osi is first in the NFL in sacks+FF's combined since 06 and he missed a whole year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Osi isn't one-third the player Michael Strahan was. . You're right. He's not one third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Osi isn't one-third the player Michael Strahan was. Without Justin Tuck, Osi would be useless. I will give you that one, but we all know that. Strahan is better than Tuck Tuck is better than Osi Osi is better than Kiwi, JPP and 90% of the leagues DE's He has made the strip sack a common play for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Statistically Osi is a better pass rusher than Tuck, by quite a bit. Tuck is a more complete player though as he's more versatile and better vs the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Statistically Osi is a better pass rusher than Tuck, by quite a bit. Tuck is a more complete player though as he's more versatile and better vs the run. Agreed, I take Tuck over Osi anyday though, but its funny how much people take our DE's for granted. How many teams would love to have Osi line up in front of opposing LT's?? Just about every team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 I was down on Osi before last season because he was flapping his gums too much. Once he put his helmet on, he did really well. Great season. Don't know what you guys have against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Osi is and has been one of my favorite Giants since the last game of his rookie season when he went Bananas blocking 2 punts and getting a few sacks under Jim Fassel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 random but fav players in the 00's Strahan Osi Tuck Mike Barrow AP Dhani Jones Will Allen Plaxico Amani Snee Robbins and im probably forgetting a few since im high now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashTalker92 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Tuck is one of the best/top player in his position(s). Yes i'll take Tuck over Osi and i'm sure Osi gets benefits from the double team they usually put on Tuck... still if there's anyone on the other side of the double team i would want Osi... quick, nose for the ball.. strips it... Storm, how many times have you jizzed your pants whenever you see the ball get strip?? come on dude, give some credit. our D line is the most gangsta in the league, i don't give a shit about GB, Pitts or any of those clowns.. we're a LB away from being the most complete defense out there.. and that's thanks to guys like OSI and Tuck.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Storm you are seriously stupid and have done too many drugs back in the day. Osi is all world all pro and its not even worth the debate. You might be right about that. Yadda yadda yadda "strip sacks" yadda yadda yadda It doesn't matter if you are useless against the run, disappear in games, and miss out on a lot of sacks just by not closing in and instead rushing upfield.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 You might be right about that. Yadda yadda yadda "strip sacks" yadda yadda yadda It doesn't matter if you are useless against the run, disappear in games, and miss out on a lot of sacks just by not closing in and instead rushing upfield.... You're talking about Osi post-rehab there, when he was far less mobile than usual. There was very little of that last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Mike Barrow Osi, we can finally agree on something. Barrow was a badass and overlooked in his prime. He was leading the NFL in tackles one year (2003?) but never even entered the Pro Bowl conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3VIN Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 random but fav players in the 00's Dhani Jones and im probably forgetting a few since im high now da fuck? you like his air guitar or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Osi, we can finally agree on something. Barrow was a badass and overlooked in his prime. He was leading the NFL in tackles one year (2003?) but never even entered the Pro Bowl conversation. I was excited when the Giants got him. I remember him and Armstead at the U, it was awesome to see them play together again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Osi, we can finally agree on something. Barrow was a badass and overlooked in his prime. He was leading the NFL in tackles one year (2003?) but never even entered the Pro Bowl conversation. hell yea I remember his 20 tackle game against the cowboys on monday night which was ruined by a terrible Kickoff late in the 4th that went out of bounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 da fuck? you like his air guitar or something. yea he also reminded me of Afroman. He was also a very servicable overachiever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 hell yea I remember his 20 tackle game against the cowboys on monday night which was ruined by a terrible Kickoff late in the 4th that went out of bounds That was Matt Bryant who did that, right? Giants were coming back, too, if I recall correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 Yea that's the guy Bryant, forgot for minute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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