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[Treehugger]

Two things, Tree. I don't believe he's really injured. I believe he's exaggerating or faking an injury to avoid practice. And secondly, a TD is just another catch.. that happened to be in the End zone so I won't put too much stock into hom many TDs a Receive has... especially when he's towering over any defender.

1) And I'm sure I've told you before that I think your fake injury theory is ridiculous. The guy is a professional athlete, and he knows as well as anyone else that his lack of practice is limiting his connection with Eli which doesn't help anyone, most of all him. There's no frickin' way he's faking it.

 

2) Many of those TDs were generated by Plax's route running, not just jump balls in the endzone. Give him his speed and quick cuts back and he has way more and we don't look like such redzone choke artists.

[Nas]

Okay..so against the Eagles I guess you missed him limping after making a catch.

But I guess you should be in the Giants training staff, what medical school did you

go to again? MSU...make shit up university

 

Umm.. that's part of faking it. It's a fucking ankle. It doesn't linger all season long. And we all know that if a player is injured, he sits. Maybe you're just one of those who believe everything.

[Nas]

1) And I'm sure I've told you before that I think your fake injury theory is ridiculous. The guy is a professional athlete, and he knows as well as anyone else that his lack of practice is limiting his connection with Eli which doesn't help anyone, most of all him. There's no frickin' way he's faking it.

 

This is the same professional athlete who threw his arms in the air every time a pass didn't hit him between the eyes? The same professional athlete who gave up on a pass that pacman jones didn't? The same professional athelet who went down when the defender touched his towel?

 

2) Many of those TDs were generated by Plax's route running, not just jump balls in the endzone. Give him his speed and quick cuts back and he has way more and we don't look like such redzone choke artists.

 

How hard could it be to run a route? This is what they do for living, no?

[RandolphScott]

Umm.. that's part of faking it. It's a fucking ankle. It doesn't linger all season long. And we all know that if a player is injured, he sits. Maybe you're just one of those who believe everything.

 

 

 

Yeah, I am.

Because Lord knows there is such a market for conspiracy theories regarding

Plaxico Burress' ankle. You don't know how bad his ankle is, maybe there is

ligament damage...who knows? He is by far our best and pretty much our only

receiving threat now that Shockey is out for the year and Amani left his hands in 2004.

 

Lawrence Taylor played a torn pectoral muscle, had 3 sacks and forced 2 fumbles

I believe. Would you have wanted him to sit?

Jack Youngblood played a broken leg back in the day.

Just this year in college, Oregon QB Dennis Dixon played with a torn ACL.

 

If a player is injured he sits? What kind of mentality is that? A pussy one.

These players feel as if they are in a family with one another, that's the reason

why you see someone like Everson Walls DONATE A KINDEY to a former teammate

in Ron Springs. These guys see each other probably 10 months out of the year and feel

as if they are real family members, "brothers from another mother" as I say.

I'm sure alot of athletes would go to hell and back for there teammates, something

you can't obviously understand.

[Nas]

Yeah, I am.

Because Lord knows there is such a market for conspiracy theories regarding

Plaxico Burress' ankle. You don't know how bad his ankle is, maybe there is

ligament damage...who knows? He is by far our best and pretty much our only

receiving threat now that Shockey is out for the year and Amani left his hands in 2004.

 

Lawrence Taylor played a torn pectoral muscle, had 3 sacks and forced 2 fumbles

I believe. Would you have wanted him to sit?

Jack Youngblood played a broken leg back in the day.

Just this year in college, Oregon QB Dennis Dixon played with a torn ACL.

If a player is injured he sits? What kind of mentality is that? A pussy one.

These players feel as if they are in a family with one another, that's the reason

why you see someone like Everson Walls DONATE A KINDEY to a former teammate

in Ron Springs. These guys see each other probably 10 months out of the year and feel

as if they are real family members, "brothers from another mother" as I say.

I'm sure alot of athletes would go to hell and back for there teammates, something

you can't obviously understand.

 

That used to be the old way of thinking. The stupid way I must add. I played with a fractured ankle. I limped to my car, took the duck tape out of the trunk and taped my foot.. so heavy the tape was it looked like I was dragging weights.. and went back to play the game.. a pick up football game mind you. Does that mean it was the right thing to do? The right thing to do is to heal the injury so you can come back far more effective.. and not to make it worse.

 

So no, forgive me for not buying into the "pussy one" response of yours.

[RandolphScott]

That used to be the old way of thinking. The stupid way I must add. I played with a fractured ankle. I limped to my car, took the duck tape out of the trunk and taped my foot.. so heavy the tape was it looked like I was dragging weights.. and went back to play the game.. a pick up football game mind you. Does that mean it was the right thing to do? The right thing to do is to heal the injury so you can come back far more effective.. and not to make it worse.

 

So no, forgive me for not buying into the "pussy one" response of yours.

 

 

You're trying to change the subject, no in all actuality your a fucking idiot

for doing that in a pick up game. The fact is Plax realizes he is the only vertical

deep threat this team has and our best wide out since Homer Jones in the late

60's. He is trying to play hurt and at whatever percent he is at, its better than none.

 

As a secondary I'd be scared of a starting receiver core of Toomer and Burress.

Toomer and Moss, yeah, that scares the little Giants.

[Virginia Giant]

Nas, faking an injury makes no sense, in the end it hurts his market value because if he's not practicing he's not becoming more in tune with his quarterback, and he doesn't put up the best possible stats he can. not to mention, if he was faking the training staff would know. Ankles swell, change colors, have knots...all kinds of things that show they are injured. If there are no symptons of an injury, well, mysterious injuies don't go unchecked, especially to marque players.

 

 

 

 

Maybe they should check him for gout, that shit can linger, especially when you run a lot.

[Nesta]

1. An ankle sprain can linger for a long fucking time, if you don't get off of it for a few weeks. Playing football on a sprain is a gurantee that it will linger.

 

2. A TD reception is NOT just another catch. It's the only catch that really matters, besides first down catches.

 

Why would Plax fake an injury to get out of practice AND play at a lower level than he had been in the first 6 weeks of the season?

 

I'm not the biggest fan of Plax, but come on. You wanna bitch about something bitch about the DROPS. His hands aren't injured afterall. In fact our whole wr corps is infected with the dropsies as well as TE's and RB's.

[fringe]

i coulda been a pro bowler- but my toe slipped over the line a little, big deal.

[Virginia Giant]

i coulda been a pro bowler- but my toe slipped over the line a little, big deal.

zing

[Nas]

You're trying to change the subject, no in all actuality your a fucking idiot

for doing that in a pick up game. The fact is Plax realizes he is the only vertical

deep threat this team has and our best wide out since Homer Jones in the late

60's. He is trying to play hurt and at whatever percent he is at, its better than none.

 

As a secondary I'd be scared of a starting receiver core of Toomer and Burress.

Toomer and Moss, yeah, that scares the little Giants.

 

Awww.. how cute.

[Nas]

Nas, faking an injury makes no sense, in the end it hurts his market value because if he's not practicing he's not becoming more in tune with his quarterback, and he doesn't put up the best possible stats he can. not to mention, if he was faking the training staff would know. Ankles swell, change colors, have knots...all kinds of things that show they are injured. If there are no symptons of an injury, well, mysterious injuies don't go unchecked, especially to marque players.

Maybe they should check him for gout, that shit can linger, especially when you run a lot.

 

VG, I don't want to come off like some self-righteous prick. I'm not.. it's been my observation that Plax never lives up to the hype. An ankle injury shouldn't linger.. not when you rest it over the bye week.. and not when you only run on Sundays.. and only on selected plays: Football is not a full time sport... the offense is on the sidelines while the defense/ST is on the field. I have played soccer, basketball, and football.. and when I played football.. it was full time.. offense, defense, and special teams. The reason Plax doesn't look right out there is because he's out of shape... that's my opinion.. and I admit I can be dead wrong... Now, I'd appreciate if you entertain the thought that you also could be wrong.

 

 

[Nas]

1. An ankle sprain can linger for a long fucking time, if you don't get off of it for a few weeks. Playing football on a sprain is a gurantee that it will linger.

 

2. A TD reception is NOT just another catch. It's the only catch that really matters, besides first down catches.

 

Why would Plax fake an injury to get out of practice AND play at a lower level than he had been in the first 6 weeks of the season?

 

I'm not the biggest fan of Plax, but come on. You wanna bitch about something bitch about the DROPS. His hands aren't injured afterall. In fact our whole wr corps is infected with the dropsies as well as TE's and RB's.

 

I happened to disagree that an ankle injury can linger for a long time. From my own experience, it may only feel awkward in the first few minutes of the game.. and that was basketball, mind you.. when you don't get to stop running back and forth... soon after it warms up, you're good to go.

 

Seconly, a TD reception is in fact another reception... it caps a drive... it's as important as a catch for 8 yards on first down... a TD catch is magnified because the result of it adds 6 points to the score.. but does a WR has to do ANYTHING different? does he use a 3rd hand?

 

I've been complaining about Plax's lack of effort since that towel tackle against Dallas. Sure once in a while he'll make a good catch.. but so does Santana Moss. All I'm saying is that if you're really injured, sit your ass out and HEAL so you can come back and play at 100%.... Forgive me but I'm not buying into this "injury"... it could be because I know what an injury feels like... 4 concussion (1 mild) and 4 pulled hamstrings so far... and those are probably the only injuries that fucks you up... I learned the hard way to sit my ass down with that pulled hamstring... it's not fun.

 

I realize we're arguing about opinions here.. most of you here believe Plax it be really injured.. and I feel.. well maybe it isn't so.

 

 

[RandolphScott]

VG, I don't want to come off like some self-righteous prick. I'm not.. it's been my observation that Plax never lives up to the hype. An ankle injury shouldn't linger.. not when you rest it over the bye week.. and not when you only run on Sundays.. and only on selected plays: Football is not a full time sport... the offense is on the sidelines while the defense/ST is on the field. I have played soccer, basketball, and football.. and when I played football.. it was full time.. offense, defense, and special teams. The reason Plax doesn't look right out there is because he's out of shape... that's my opinion.. and I admit I can be dead wrong... Now, I'd appreciate if you entertain the thought that you also could be wrong.

 

 

Yeah, okay.

 

And no one cares about your own experience from an ankle injury. Everyone heals

or doesn't heal differently.

[Nesta]

I happened to disagree that an ankle injury can linger for a long time. From my own experience, it may only feel awkward in the first few minutes of the game.. and that was basketball, mind you.. when you don't get to stop running back and forth... soon after it warms up, you're good to go.

 

Nas there are different grades of ankle sprains. Just because you've had one, and everybody has at one point, doesn't mean you can compare yours to everyone else's.

Different grades aside they all require certain stages of healing which Plax has not had:

All ankle sprains recover through three phases:

 

Phase 1 includes resting, protecting the ankle and reducing the swelling (one week for a grade one).

Phase 2 includes restoring range of motion, strength and flexibility (one week to two weeks).

Phase 3 includes gradually returning to activities that do not require turning or twisting the ankle and doing maintenance exercises. This will be followed later by being able to do activities that require sharp, sudden turns (cutting activities) such as tennis, basketball or football (weeks to months).

 

Seconly, a TD reception is in fact another reception... it caps a drive... it's as important as a catch for 8 yards on first down... a TD catch is magnified because the result of it adds 6 points to the score.. but does a WR has to do ANYTHING different? does he use a 3rd hand?

 

Are you seriously arguing that a TD catch is no more important than any other catch?

Last time I checked a football game was decided by the higher score, not the most receptions or receiving yards. You really think a pro receiver would rather have 1,000 yards and 100 catches over double digit TD's?

That's ridiculous.

 

I've been complaining about Plax's lack of effort since that towel tackle against Dallas. Sure once in a while he'll make a good catch.. but so does Santana Moss. All I'm saying is that if you're really injured, sit your ass out and HEAL so you can come back and play at 100%.... Forgive me but I'm not buying into this "injury"... it could be because I know what an injury feels like... 4 concussion (1 mild) and 4 pulled hamstrings so far... and those are probably the only injuries that fucks you up... I learned the hard way to sit my ass down with that pulled hamstring... it's not fun.

 

Where can we get a peek at your professional stats? Oh yeah that's right, you're talking about backyard football.

 

[Nas]

Nas there are different grades of ankle sprains. Just because you've had one, and everybody has at one point, doesn't mean you can compare yours to everyone else's.

Different grades aside they all require certain stages of healing which Plax has not had:

Are you seriously arguing that a TD catch is no more important than any other catch?

Last time I checked a football game was decided by the higher score, not the most receptions or receiving yards. You really think a pro receiver would rather have 1,000 yards and 100 catches over double digit TD's?

That's ridiculous.

Where can we get a peek at your professional stats? Oh yeah that's right, you're talking about backyard football.

 

That's beyond the point. I can argue that I don't wear all that protective gear the pros wear. I've had many many ankle sprains some were far worse than others.

 

My "backyard football" doesn't live up to that of the NFL but the injuries we suffer there are the same... probably worse since we don't have "trainers" on hand. Unless you mean to argue that a hamstring pull on national TV is far worse than a hamstring pull say.. on Fitch High football field in Connecticut.. or that a severe concussion on National TV is far worse than a severe concussion suffered in Fort Campbell (military base), KY.

 

Regarding the importance of a catch.. I'm not disputing that a TD catch is important. I'm merely stating that a receiver doesn't do anything differently in the end zone than anywhere else on the field... ball is in the air.. adjust body.. reach.. catch. boom.. now dance like a clown becuase the cameras are on you.

 

 

[Nesta]

That's beyond the point. I can argue that I don't wear all that protective gear the pros wear. I've had many many ankle sprains some were far worse than others.

 

My "backyard football" doesn't live up to that of the NFL but the injuries we suffer there are the same... probably worse since we don't have "trainers" on hand. Unless you mean to argue that a hamstring pull on national TV is far worse than a hamstring pull say.. on Fitch High football field in Connecticut.. or that a severe concussion on National TV is far worse than a severe concussion suffered in Fort Campbell (military base), KY.

 

Regarding the importance of a catch.. I'm not disputing that a TD catch is important. I'm merely stating that a receiver doesn't do anything differently in the end zone than anywhere else on the field... ball is in the air.. adjust body.. reach.. catch. boom.. now dance like a clown becuase the cameras are on you.

 

Exactly what protective gear do pros wear on their ankles? Tape? lol

 

You don't have trainers, true, and you also don't have the country's biggest, meanest, and fastest mugs hitting you at full speed. Tv has nothing to do with it. TV is for guys like you and I, so we can sit on our asses and watch the big boys play the game.

 

Catching a TD pass in the endzone is the hardest of any catch. There are 11 guys defending the endzone and only 10 yards of field to work with.

Catching a TD pass anywhere else on the field and taking it to the endzone is about the greatest and most celebrated play in football.

Both are more difficult than other catches and much more important than other catches.

ANY receiver would rather have 10 TD's than 1000yds/100catches.

[fringe]

Exactly what protective gear do pros wear on their ankles? Tape? lol

 

You don't have trainers, true, and you also don't have the country's biggest, meanest, and fastest mugs hitting you at full speed.

you've obviously never been to the bronx.

[Nesta]

you've obviously never been to the bronx.

 

If they're that big, fast, and nasty, why aren't they on our team.

[TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt]

Nas there are different grades of ankle sprains. Just because you've had one, and everybody has at one point, doesn't mean you can compare yours to everyone else's.

Different grades aside they all require certain stages of healing which Plax has not had:

Are you seriously arguing that a TD catch is no more important than any other catch?

Last time I checked a football game was decided by the higher score, not the most receptions or receiving yards. You really think a pro receiver would rather have 1,000 yards and 100 catches over double digit TD's?

That's ridiculous.

Where can we get a peek at your professional stats? Oh yeah that's right, you're talking about backyard football.

I had a phase 3 back in 88 when I was 24 years old and I still have not regained 100% of my former range of motion. May 90-95%. I was riding my motorcycle and came to a stop light. As I put my left foot down on what I think is even pavement and it turns out it is a pot hole. My ankle starts to twist and as the "bolt of lightning" pain shoots through my brain; I then stumble to the left and my bike lands on my calf and ankle...another "bolt of lightning". LOL. It took six weeks before I could walk on it without bracing it with an air cast or bandage. I still walked with a noticeable limp for months afterward. Now when it gets cold at the middle age of 43, I start to limp slightly because of it.

[TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt]

If they're that big, fast, and nasty, why aren't they on our team.

They could be if we were the prison team from the "Longest Yard".

[Nas]

If they're that big, fast, and nasty, why aren't they on our team.

 

Nesta, just keep it in perspective. The guys I play against may not be the biggest bad asses out there, but when the 282 lbs big Jacob barrels at the 135 lbs Nas... You bet your ass Nas is bracing for collision and some major pain. I can tell you this though.. I will never go down just because someone touched my jersey.. or a towel.. in Plax's case.

[RandolphScott]

Nesta, just keep it in perspective. The guys I play against may not be the biggest bad asses out there, but when the 282 lbs big Jacob barrels at the 135 lbs Nas... You bet your ass Nas is bracing for collision and some major pain. I can tell you this though.. I will never go down just because someone touched my jersey.. or a towel.. in Plax's case.

 

 

Why don't you write a letter to him over the summer and personally hand it

to him. I'm sure he will heed your advice.

[Nas]

Why don't you write a letter to him over the summer and personally hand it

to him. I'm sure he will heed your advice.

 

There's nothing to write. The only thing I want is for him to be shipped out of NY.. that's all.

 

As far as your lame shot.. just look at Eli. Watch his body language.. the cold weather affects him greatly. And he just sits on the sidelines.. he doesn't even warm up like his brother Peyton does. You don't see these things... Notice how his game goes down the drain in cold weather... What you don't think Eli Manning can use some advice from a fan.. who happens to be an athlete?

[RandolphScott]

There's nothing to write. The only thing I want is for him to be shipped out of NY.. that's all.

 

As far as your lame shot.. just look at Eli. Watch his body language.. the cold weather affects him greatly. And he just sits on the sidelines.. he doesn't even warm up like his brother Peyton does. You don't see these things... Notice how his game goes down the drain in cold weather... What you don't think Eli Manning can use some advice from a fan.. who happens to be an athlete?

 

 

Watch his body language? It's the same every game, even if he is playing great

or playing like shit.

 

Do I think Eli Manning can use some advice? Sure, couldn't hurt.

Just because you fancy yourself as an athlete doesn't mean you can now

write essays on the NFL quarterback position.

 

Are we next going to hear that you were the one who whispered "microsoft"

to Bill Gates?