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Nice job Money + his assistants. Great draft. You want to start a thread about the entire draft in which we can make comments? We can post reactions, comments, insights and such....

Hopefully neither of them are starting.

Agreed. Will be reflecting next time. I made this in about 6 minutes.

If I could, I would make a trade right now to grab someone.

If we say that Reggie Bush's durability is a question then we have to say that everyone's durability is a question. Since we don't say that durability is a question for every player entering the draft then we shouldnt say that there are questions regarding the durability of Reggie. Comprende?

Here's that article. Thanks Money for pointing me in the right direction. It's a good read. I just noticed my boy Dusty is up on that list. Im officially going to change my second round pick (from Demetrius who I wasnt thrilled with and nobody else seems to like) to Alston, a guy I've liked for a while so that all three of my picks have made the list. http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9326200

Its not that he will simply contribute but from day 1 you run the entire offense around and through him. Either he gets the ball or he is used as a decoy on every play. When teams play the texans, the defense plays the game of "find Reggie Bush and make sure he doesnt beat us by himself." While Dbrick might be a franchise LT, he's just not in the same league as Bush. I forget who said it but it was some former player was talking about him and he said that Bisj will be the best player in the NFL from day 1. Not that he will necessarily be the best player from day 1, but for someone to even to be able to say that, and to be taken seriously, about a guy who hasnt even been drafted yet is pretty amazing.

I was just watching the Bush highlights that I posted. In the USC highlight clip, his runs against UCLA (a quality team) were ridiculous, especially that first one.

You can't say that Ferguson is the obvious pick when someone so unbelievably talented is sitting right there for the taking. Im not saying that it's going to happen but Bush has the potential to have a better career than Barry Sanders, Marshall Faulk, Tiki Barber... anybody. Right now the sky is the limit in terms of his potential. If you have a top 5 pick you take the BPA available, completely regardless of need. Period. 10 years from now if you'd taken DBrick who ends up having a very solid career but Reggie Bush becomes the best player of the last 25 years you would feel mighy foolish for passing on him when he was sitting right there in your lap. Im not saying its going to happen but passing on Bush is a tough thing to do. Someone is going to have to give them a TON of quality draft picks before Texas gives him up.

Here's my big board of the top 35 players. Keep in mind that this is not a mock draft but a ranking of players based on skill and if you don't take need into account AT ALL this is the order in which you would draft. Id like to do this for the first 5 rounds or so but only have time right now to do the beginning. Ill post the finished version some time later this week or early next week. 1. Reggie Bush 2. DBrick 3. Vernon Davis 4. Mario Williams 5. Matt Leinart 6. Vince Young 7. Michael Huff 8. AJ Hawk 9. Ngata 10. Bunkley 11. Deangelo Williams 12. Antonio Cromartie 13. Chad Jackson 14. Ernest Sims 15. Winston Justice 16. Manny Lawson 17. Santonio Holmes 18. Jay Cutler 19. Jimmy Williams 20. Donte Whitner 21. Chad Greenway 22. Tye Hill 23. Lendale White 24. Bobby Carpenter 25. Demeco Ryans 26. Maroney 27. Eric Winston 28. Leonard Pope 29. Marcus McNeill 30. Nick Mangold 31. Jonathon Joseph 32. Tamba Hali 33. Mathias K. 34. Richard Marshall 35. Gabe Watson -- This guys the most difficult person for me to rate in the draft. He's easily talented enough to be a top 10 pick but doesnt seem to give a shit. I mean he's got bust written ALLL over him. But then again he could become the best DT in football. I put him here at 35 but if I were drafting w/ the 35th pick and everyone ahead of him on this list were gone, I still wouldnt take him. Money, since you probably saw him more than everyone else, at what point would you take the plunge? 10? 25? 30? 56? 100? never? So this is my rough draft of the top 35. I really need to get working on my marketing project but I will produce at least 4 rounds of my Big Board by early next week and will post it here. If anybody notices any key oversights, please feel free to comment.

Those are just phenomenal numbers across the board. 40 inch vertical!!! Thats just ridiculous. For reference, when they measure verticals during the NBA dunk contest, anything above 40 is amazing and most of the guys have like 36 inch verts, and these are the guys in the dunk contest. Money, do you have that list where they combined the times/reps/vert to get an overall score? The one w/ Lawson, Davis and Alston on it? For those who don't understand how good these numbers are, I think that might help.

You know what would be fun and I'm going to do it soon, is come up w/ a Big Board for the first 5 rounds or so. I cant do it now since I've got a marketing project due tomorrow and I've been procrastinating all day. This way it would help us project where people will actully get drafted. Well since this idea sounds way better than starting marketing, Ill do my first 32 players as an example and post it when I finish.

The Texan unless someone is able to trade up to get him (the point of this thread). I think the order of teams most likely to get him is something like this: Texans Jets Titans 49ers Packers Raiders New Orleans I dont think anyone else has a shot. This guy is as big of a lock as you can get and trading up wont come cheaply. If he were only a WR he would still be a 1st rounder simply on his special teams play and ability to get seperation from his defender. This is the most versatile player that I've ever seen enter the draft (granted I'm only 21, but still...)

I think too much time has passed since the end of college football. For those of you who forgot what a freak of nature this reggie bush guy is, check out these highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7YoHeZWMqo...h=reggie%20bush For those of you who have not forgotten, they're a great watch anyway.

Hound, I understand that its just a mock but the general consesus is that these guys will all be gone by early 2nd round. If one of them does drop to us, as I said earlier, I think it would be a great pick. For some reason I think Griffin is being underrated and I think he's one of the most pro-ready corners in the draft. I think he should be talked about in this group but for some reason isnt. I think it has to do w/ moving away from big, physical corners... who knows. As for Oshinowo, I like him a lot and think he would be a great 4-5 round pick. Alston vs. Hodge - I think they're very comparable players. Both can hit like a mofo yet they make intelligent decisions on the field. I think Alston's a tad more athletic but it just comes down to your preference, ouside or inside. IMO, Blackburn is a servicable backup and Id rather add the depth to the outside. But as I said before, Id love to land Hodge in the second round. I think this is a good time to bring up another point that Id been thinking about, not directed at anyone... just a general comment that I have. I find that people will say something like, "I really like Dick Cheney at nose tackle but the mocks say that third is a little early for him. I think we should wait until the fourth round to get him." If the player is good but you think that he will be available based on some internet ranking then stick to your guns and say that you want that player because if the guy is talented, come draft day he will get picked in the position that he lies on the NFL Big Boards, not the internets. An example of this was a couple of weeks ago when everyone wanted to stick Brandon Johnson in their mock draft but because he wasnt ranked too highly on the internet everyone was putting him in round 6 or 7. Money on the other hand realized that he was clearly not a 6th or 7th rounder and took him in the fourth on his mock. My example of this is Dvoracek, not to pound table about this guy or anything. All the mocks that I see have him going in the 4th but I guarantee he doesnt last that long come draft day. This guy is big, fast, smart and plays as hard as anyone. He had some off-field issues a few years ago and the mock drafts dont know how to account for this so they just drop him to the 4th. I think he's a second round talent that Im hoping drops to us in the third.

Im like Williams but dont necessarily think he's the player to take in the 2nd... I just needed to fill someone in on my mock draft. Last fall I was living in Southern Washington and saw a ton of Oregon games since they had a great offense and were on TV all the time. Williams just dominated the CB's he faced and required opposing defenses to double team him constantly. He also made some ridiculous catches where he would just steal the ball out of the air. I was very impressed with his play and think hes going to be a great receiver, although as you said he did face Pac 10 competition so who knows. At the very least he would provide great WR depth and I think he would have a great chance to beat out Carter/Taylor for the third spot. If available, Id take these guys over him: Wroten, Mcargo, Griffen and Alston

I think it's funny that people can't think of ANYTHING negative to say about Bush since he's the best prospect to come out of college since......?? Vick?? Well, since they can't think of anything negative they just say, well since football is a contact sport he might get injured in the future so we'll just say that he has durability issues so that if he has a career altering injury (very difficult these days given the quality of surgery) they will at least have covered themselves.

I like all of those CB's but none of them are going to fall to us. No chance. Check out the latest nflcountdown mock (i think the best draft site) and they have all three of those guys going in the 1st round. It's just not going to happen. The safeties might be available, but that's one of our deepest positions and I think we can find just as talented players at position of need. I like Abdul Hodge but Id rather have Alston since he played OLB. Id be fine w/ Jonathon Scott, but not my favorite. As for Rod Wright -- Id MUCH rather have Dvoacek in the 3rd than Wright in the second. If we had to take a DT in this round Id take Dvoracek over Wright. So out of those id really only be happy with Abdul Hodge.

I think it would have to be the Jets since Curtis Martin is done and Bush is a human highlight. I guess you can't rule out Titans, but they need a QB and this is the year for them to get one. The only other team that comes to mind would be the 49ers but they would need to give up a ton to move up 5 spots.

Do you mean add Trueblood to the list of 2nd rounders that you like? If so I agree with that. As for RB, I dont like Calhoun. He's too small and weak for me. Addai, I like but I think next year is the year to draft a RB. I still think we should give Ward and Jacobs another year as backups before we decide that we need a new franchise RB. As for the WR need, I dont want to get into this discussion again but Ill just sum up my thoughts on this one. 1. I dont think we can rely on Toomer to play 16+ games again this year. 2. Our slot receivers are Toomer/Carter. Combined they have 1 career TD and about 400 receiving yards. Neither of them has shown enough to be counted on as a legit #2 WR if Toomer or Plax gets injured or even the abiliity to be a decent, consistent slot receiver. We dont need something fancy here, just a little consistency. 3. Bringing in a talented rookie ensures some quality competition for the slot receiving position in training camp. Since Carter or Taylor has gotten injured every year, we need some new blood. 4. If Plax gets benched for some reason (not out of the question given his relationship w/ Coughlin) we need someone to step up and I dont want to rely on the Taylor/Carter duo. 5. Toomer will likely retire after this year or the next and we don't have anybody on the roster to replace him. I dont rank WR ahead or OLB or DT in terms of need, I just think that we can get good value by drafting someone in either the 2nd or 3rd round. That said, I'm not terribly attached to this pick and would be happy to draft someone like Orr in the fourth. I just think we need another WR for the aforementioned reasons.

I hate posting rumors and I know many of you hate them but I thought that there are probably some of you out there who may have not heard the latest, and would like to know. Since the latest "Lavar has signed" fiascoe about a week or so ago, there's a new rumor that Lavar has decided and that his decision will be announced in the next 24 hrs and this one seems to be more credible. I read somwhere that someone hear it announced on ESPN radio or something... didnt hear it myself though. Yesterday, I read that Lavar asked the Giants for a 7 year, $54 Millon dollar deal. Im just the messanger.

Here's a list of guys I like in the second round, let me know what you think: Claude Wroten DT - doubt hes left for us John Mcargo DT - Same Cedric Griffin CB - Would love for him to drop to us Daryn Colledge OT - This guy has got all the potential to be a solid LT, just needs some work on run blocking. Darnell Bing S - For some reason this guy keeps dropping. Playmaker worth taking in the second. Jon Alston OLB - Might be a bit high for him but hes a phenomenal athlete (money posted a cool stat regarding the combine and he was near the top of the list with guys like Vernon Davis and Manny Lawson) and he went to Stanford so hes smart as hell too. Only knock is that hes a bit short -- Tatupa showed us what that means. Demetrius Williams WR - Great deep threat. Very difficult to cover 1 on 1. Would thrive in an offense where all the attention is on Plax, Shock and Tiki. Is good enough to replace Toomer down the road. With a red zone offense of Toomer, Plax and Williams (all tall receivers who can go up and get the ball) with Shockey and Tiki... we would be pretty much unstoppable. Some players that I want to stay away from: Orien Harris DT - Too many injuries. I think that hes been overrated because of the U. Rod Wright DT - Too high of a bust factor for me. If we land any of the guys on my first list, Ill be thrilled. I think all of those guys could contribute in some capacity this year and would instantly make our team better with the exception of Colledge who is probably a year or two away from being a starting LT.

The only two WR's that I would take at 25 are Jackson and Holmes, neither of which will be there for us. As other have mentioned, Id like to draft a DT in the second round as well. The thing is, I think that we can get almost equal value in the 3rd on DT. For example, I dont think there's much of an upgrade from Wright (2nd rounder) to Dvoracek (3rd Rounder). I saw Williams play quite a bit (used to live out in the Northwest) and he's a VERY talented receiver. I rank him as the third best receiving prospect in the draft after Jackson and Holmes and would love to see him as a Giant.

I'm not drafting the need, Im drafting the player. Although I think WR is a greater need than most... but I'm open to changing this pick. I just want to hear some other options that people like. Also, what do you think of they Dusty pick?

I think there's a general consensus among board members regarding the first round pick and who it should be. I think most of us expect to draft Carpenter, Greenway or Ryans in the first. If you think its someobody else, I dont want to hear it. I want to hear who people like in the 2nd and 3rd. As for me, just take a look at my mock. Round 2: Demetrius Williams - This guy is talented and a phenomenal deep threat. He's got the potential to be a #1 WR so he could potentially replace Toomer in a few years. Im not quite sold on this pick yet and am open to other suggestions. Round 3: Dusty Dvoacek - He's a super talented DT but will drop in the draft because of off the field issues. He's had numerous incidents with fighting and alcohol but I've read that he's stayed out of trouble lately. This guy is just as big as bunkley and only a fraction slower. He's plays with a constant motor and intensity that the Giants could use in the middle of their line. I also read that he had one of the highest Wonderlic tests out of everyone in the draft and was an honor student. Personally, I think he's a steal here and Id be willing to take him in the second.