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Martz is a grade-A clown who's more in love with his "schemes" and "genius" than with winning. I cringe every time someone suggests we should get that guy.

Can't agree with you more. However, if Coughlin was a good coach, why weren't there repurcussions for not listening to him?

Honestly, I can't remember feeling as bad after a season as this one in 30+ years of being a Giants fan. Three weeks ago we were talking #1 seed, but a historic collapse to our hated rivals followed by a lifeless game ruined the season for us.... another December to forget, another year wasted with a (I believe) very talented squad. Now, the one thing that most of us were hoping to hang our hats on for next year... a coaching change (to Cowher, most had hoped) has been pulled out from under us, leaving the bad taste of another blown chance to linger all offseason. Seriously, what do we, as fans, have to feel good about with this team? Does anyone REALLY see this squad, with these clownish coaches, finishing better than 8-8 next year? What "big offseason move" is going to light a fire under this team's ass... because I don't think keeping Coughlin in place is it, honestly.

Ahh, I appreciate your pessimism, joe.... unfortunately however, in this case it is grossly misdirected. The Giants come out and look like world-beaters. They're up 24-7 at the half and finish 38-14. The Packers, however, roll Chicago, so we're out of the playoffs... however, Mara and co. are so impressed with this Giants outburst and 10-6 record that they re-sign Coughlin for another three years... dooming us to at least two more years of December collapses, head-scratching playcalling, and first-round playoff losses to the Eagles. Meanwhile, Bill Cowher will send the Texans surging, making the playoffs in every season with the team. Bank on it.

I likeded it.

Honestly, at this point I'm not sure if it will make a difference anyway.

He's a beast. He shows up every week and dominates.

I guess we just have a different outlook on how to run a team, then. I think if players are doing something that is clearly going to hurt the team down the road, you make your players pay for it one way or the other. Plus, if you say "hold the ball this way" and your guy DOESN'T do that, it IS disciplinary... it's insubordination. Now Coughlin is the one likely paying for it... with his job.

No boo, I'm saying this should have been done in like, week 2. Look at the way the guys hold the ball. Who couldn't see that fumbles were going to be a problem? Again, there's a thread from the preseason that talks about this (I'm not going to dig it up though). You fix the problem at the beginning of the season, and you win against Tennesee and possibly Green Bay... hello playoffs. Instead, we're talking about who should coach our team next year, and rightfully so.

I agree. Every three years or so when the Philly fans start calling for his head, I'm the first one to say we'd take him here. We sure as hell can't beat him. That's exactly it. Coughlin is a very good coach who will catch on with another team and likely be very successful, however, his act has grown stale.

Can't agree more... especially with the O'Hara thing. Ever since he's been back in the lineup our line has totally sucked, and he was victimized and abused all day yesterday.

That's a great question. Let's go down the list: NFC EAST Romo - No Mc Nabb - No Vick - No (sure there are many who'd disagree with me on this, however) NFC NORTH Rodgers - Maybe, but concussions worry me Favre - No Stafford - No Cutler - No NFC SOUTH Ryan - leaning towards "yes" Freeman - No Brees - Yes Whoever is QB for the Panthers - it's a joke, right? NFC West Smith - No Bradford - No Hasselbeck - No Whoever is QB for Arizona (see Panthers) So in our conference, there is ONE guy who is head and shoulders above Eli, two guys who might pan out or might not, and handful of unknowns, and some really BAD QBs. Eli isn't elite but he's proven he can get the job done, and as stated above, it might be nice to see what a new coaching staff and an OC that doesn't require 57 post-snap reads would do for him.

No, you DO single out one guy. "Hakeem Nicks, you're our best offensive player. You don't listen to what I say, however, so you are deactivated this game... despite your skills, you're riding the bench. Hey, Ahmad and Mario... did you catch that? You might want to start securing the ball." You have one sacrificial lamb, and the other guys all all into place.

He's NOT doing that hlb. Bradshaw's "benching" was not starting the opening series. Nicks is as bad as Plax at ball security... just because you have the world's largest hands doesn't mean you drop your fundamentals. Manningham isn't far behind. The Giants players don't secure the ball, and it's been a problem since preseason... I can probably dig up a thread complaining about how the team holds the ball from back in the second preseason game. This is football 101 and our players don't do it. It's as bad as wrapping up making the tackle... worse even. I blame coaching... if you're players don't listen, bench them until they do. The Giants lead the league in turnovers, and anyone could see that coming from the beginning of the season.

It IS the coach's fault. I've said it before and I'll say it again: HOW many times do Hakeem Nicks, Mario Manningham, Ahmad Bradshaw, etc. have to have the ball knocked away because they're not holding it properly before Coughlin a.) makes a correction, or b.) benches their fucking ass? Holding the ball without THREE points of contact LOSES you football games. You learn that in Pop Warner... why can't Giants players and coaches figure it out? A good coach would look at game film, sit down with a player and say, "See how you're holding the ball? See how it got knocked away there? See how you almost lost it on this play? You're a playmaker but you're going to lose us games unless you have three points of contact on the ball AT ALL TIMES, and I'm not going to let you lose us games. So you either hold the ball like you learned when you were 12 or your backup gets to show me how he can hold it."

I'd take Cowher first, he's a potential HOF coach with a great pedigree that's accessible to players but demands discipline. He's won with the likes of Kordell Stewart and Neil O'Donnell as his starting QBs... imagine what he could do with Eli. Also, Pittsburgh lost star players to FA literally every year and Cowher still had his teams in the playoffs. I don't want Gruden. He won one SB with Tony Dungy's team and... uh... umm... plus, he's awful with QBs, Rich Gannon notwithstanding. I'd take Fisher over Gruden. His teams always seem to be competitive and prepared, and again, he wins with shit QBs. For all the talk of Steve McNair being MVP, he sure didn't do shit once he left for the Ravens. Plus, aside from Eddie George, Chris Johnson, and Jevon Kearse, name one star that's been there in the ten years Fisher has coached that team. Outside of those guys, I really don't know. I just know the Giants need a change.

"I'VE GOT THIS TO SAY... ABOUT THAT: ABOUT THAT I'LL SAY THIS..."

Is Peyton elite? Is Tom Brady? Was Joe Montana? John Elway? Yeah, cuz believe it or not, those guys all had 4-pick games too. Personally I think Eli is good, not elite... however, I also think it would be interesting to see how he would do in an offense that doesn't require 37 pre-snap reads.

I loved the guy; he's the only coach outside of Parcells to give us a Super Bowl ring. He's a very good coach... a borderline Hall of Fame one. However, he has several faults which I think have been exposed the past few seasons... his marriages to his coaches and gameplans, his inability to get his recievers and backs to properly secure the ball, his undying faith in certain players, especially on special teams. Lets not forget too, as magical as 2007 was, the chips had to fall EXACTLY right for the Giants in several key spots for them to be champions. If Patrick Crayton holds on to the ball, we might be talking about the Super Bowl Champion Cowboys. If Brett Favre doesn't throw a boneheaded pick, it may have been the Packers. If Asante Samuel holds on to the ball, the Patriots pull off the impossible perfect season. Yes, the Giants played well, but literally EVERYTHING also went right for them. I think if he stays then many things go downhill from here, and again, given that a Bill Cowher has made no bones about his desire to coach for the Maras, I think you have to pull the trigger and bring in some new blood. You maybe have loved your sixth grade teacher too, but if he had been your teacher all the way from sixth grade through grad school you'd probably not get as much out of his lessons.

The ring was great... we can't thank you enough. However, your complete inability to coach your team on how to hold the ball, coupled with a hall-of-fame coach knocking on the meadowlands door and an all-too-predictable yearly script (start 6-2, read your own press clippings, lose half your remaining games before having the Eagles beat you in the Wild Card) means it's time to go. Thanks for everything.

I thought it was his, "Sean O'Hara ate pickled eggs with beans for breakfast" face.

Agreed. Ashamed, and hopefully angry.

"Jackson's Punt Return" needs to go away and never be seen from or mentioned again.

I don't think Cowher has a whole lot over Coughlin, honestly. I just think if the players "mail it in" or don't perform, Cough will be gone. Three years in a row of second-half collapses (and a loss that will rank with "the fumble" for the rest of our fucking lives) will leave a bad enough taste to want the Maras to make a switch.

If the Giants collapse at the second half of the season like they did in the last eight minutes of the Eagles game last Sunday, we'll be seeing a new coach... especially with one with a proven track record practically begging to play in the meadowlands. As far as Jack goes, a broken clock is still right twice a day... and why do you read any of his posts anyway?