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It would be a travesty if Eli got hurt. But it's not beyond the realm of possibility. If we had to rely on Carr for the remainder of the season, any hope of playoffs would be history.

I'm warming up to the pick. I'm a huge Syracuse fan because I live a half hour away from the Dome, but I love the Giants more. There were three players on the SU squad that were NFL quality players (Pugh, Nassib, and Shamarko Thomas). All three of them are stud football players and I always want to see ex-SU players do well and they usually do. I've liked Nassib a lot because I've spent so much time watching him. He's a real gamer and fits the perfect description of "pocket QB". He's does better at every aspect of the game than anything I've ever seen from Carr. Even as a rookie, I would have more faith in him coming into the game than I do in Carr. Here's a nice summary of Carr: "Carr makes a great living as a capable backup, but he's not a guy that teams want starting games for them". One year contract: 940,000 dollars a year for carrying a clip board. I'd love to be in Carr's shoes and get a million dollars a year and a front row seat to all the Giants games.

I had two small school prospects on my wish list - hoping to sneak them in after the big names flew off the board as they are superb players flying under the radar. Safety J.J. Wilcox and Cornerback B.W. Webb And shit!!! The Cowboys snatched up both of them. Maybe Jerry isn't as dumb as I think he is. Well, yeah he's stupid and an asshole , but he did find some gems that I wish we picked. I'm hoping he is stewing thinking he was going to pick up Nassib to groom as Romo's backup.

This is what a tight end is supposed to look like!! Defiler will be saving this pic for his stash...ha, ha

The talking heads are calling the move "smart", "genius", etc. None of them are saying it's a bad move. Even Mayock is calling it a great move. One of the interesting comments came from one of them (forget who) is that a backup QB is very important and teams are doling out a ton of money for old backups that really aren't that good, but they command big bucks because it is imperative to have a backup. As far as Nassib's talent goes...I've watched him for the last few years at Syracuse and he is extremely smart and has a cannon for an arm. And he's always been surrounded with second and third tier players as the Orange has never been able to get big name recruits out of high school. Syracuse always produces a few stars that have come into their own while in college, but none of them were nationally praised coming out of high school. Nassib will shine being surrounded by real talent for a change. But as one analyst said, "it's like coming in as the new closer to replace Mariano" or the "new shortstop to replace Jeter". Regardless...there is no pressure to speak of for Nassib and he's already smart and will get even smarter working behind Eli and we can finally let Carr go and clear up some cap space while upgrading at the QB position.

From ProFootballTalk "The Giants liked Nassib enough that they were willing to give up both their fourth-round pick and their sixth-round pick to get him, who is a good pocket passer and obviously a player whom Giants G.M. Jerry Reese and coach Tom Coughlin think can be a valuable asset. There is no way Nassib is better than Manning, but the Giants may think he is better than David Carr, who is currently their No. 2 quarterback. If he is better than Carr, he will turn out to be a good value for the Giants ; even if they are hoping they never need him".

Well....everyone is ignoring Greene so there must be something scouts know that isn't common knowledge.

Yes you are young man! You called it an hour ago.

Another thought...maybe the Giants knew the Cowboys were planning on grabbing him....or some team they knew would take him and it was more important to keep him away from them than to put him on our squad. Otherwise, I'm not sure we would have had to trade up. There's a strategy there somewhere that will be let out at some point. At this point...just plain confusing. Jim...we gave up 4th and 6th....in essence, our 6th rd pick.

Pretty friggin big Naz old boy. I'm 60 years old now and no new hair is growing in except in my ears and nose. Sucks to get older. You'll see.

We gave up our 4th and 6th....expensive!!! Well....the 4th is a given and we do have 2 7th round pics so maybe not so bad.

Well...all I can think is that they are grooming Eli's eventual replacement. Nassib is definitely a cerebral QB with a bazooka arm. Working with Eli has to be good for him in the long run. Or maybe the Giants want to use him for trade bait or something. Hard to figure. I suppose if Eli gets injured in the next couple of years, it'll be nice to have him in the fold. I'm still scratching my head though.

Wow...don't know what to say. Wow. I love Nassib, but we don't need him. Wow

This made me laugh. Have you ever had dinner in a hospital cafeteria? And there was nothing you wanted? But you had to choose anyway? That's a little how NFL general managers must've felt Thursday night for Round 1 of the 2013 draft, which featured a talent pool so shallow, you could hardly wet your ankle bone. Still, it made for a wildly unpredictable evening, if you like that sort of thing. These were the highlights, written on the fly, I swear: 8 p.m. ET -- The big question tonight: Can the New York Jets get two first-round draft picks and still manage to suck? 8:03 -- The NFL has 23 players in the green room. Notre Dame linebacker Manti Te'o isn't one of them. He's in Hawaii and wants no cameras around. Maybe he'll have dinner somewhere. Perhaps he'll order the catfish? 8:06 -- Still no pick from the Kansas City Chiefs, who've been on the clock for THREE MONTHS. 8:16 -- The Chiefs finally take offensive tackle Eric Fisher (Central Michigan). Turns out Fisher's cell phone was on the fritz. Of course, he was sitting 100 feet away from Chiefs officials at Radio City Music Hall. Whatever. 8:17 -- Weird note about Fisher: He gained 68 pounds in one year at Central Michigan, breaking a record set by JaMarcus Russell. 8:21 -- The Jacksonville Jaguars, beginning their 13th rebuilding season in nine years, take offensive tackle Luke Joeckel (Texas A&M). It's the first time in NFL history a draft has started tackle-tackle. Is this a sexy draft? No, this is not a sexy draft. It is John Madden in a lime-green peek-a-boo teddy. 8:31 -- With the third pick in the draft, the Oakland Raiders take deceased QB Sid Luckman. No, actually, they trade their pick to Miami, which takes another player you've never heard of, outside linebacker Dion Jordan (Oregon), who mentions to ESPN's Suzy Kolber that this is his "first time" being drafted. He also adds, "Overall, I'm a great person." Good to know both. 8:42 -- The Philadelphia Eagles take our third offensive tackle in four picks -- Lane Johnson (Oklahoma). What do you want? This is tackle football, isn't it? 8:50 -- Detroit's pick, defensive end Ziggy Ansah (BYU), had never even seen a game of American football until he arrived in the United States from Ghana five years ago. "I think we'll be back here [in New York] next year for the Super Bowl," he tells Suzy. He would definitely know. 8:55 -- Best name in the draft goes to Cleveland -- defensive end Barkevious Mingo (LSU). He is perfect for the Browns. Who else would the Dog Pound want to howl for than Barkevious? 8:56 -- Just a side note: Roger Goodell is going much shorter on hugs this year than last. His hugs are about 4 seconds shorter, on average, than in 2012. He's hugging like he's got pinkeye. 9:01 -- There are some serious slabs of meat strutting the the stage tonight. Arizona takes guard Jonathan Cooper (North Carolina), the fourth player over 300 pounds in the first seven picks. Even his head is big. New Era Cap tweets that his hat is size 8 1/8, the largest so far. We are here to inform. 9:02 -- Not one pick has come close to handling the football. But the Buffalo Bills have the eighth pick and they need a quarterback and a receiver. Please? 9:03 -- Naturally, the Bills trade their pick because they have cable TV and realize there are nothing but clipboard holders in this draft. ESPN, meanwhile, keeps showing Mel Kiper's "Top 5 Available QBs." But ranking the best five QBs in this draft is like ranking the top five ski areas in Fiji. Anyway, the Bills send the pick to St. Louis, which takes -- yes! -- a receiver, Tavon Austin (West Virginia). True, Austin supposedly got a 7 out of 50 on his Wonderlic test, but the Rams are not asking him to perform cold fusion experiments here. They are asking him to run fast and catch footballs. Good pick. 9:04 -- By the way, Austin's West Virginia teammate, QB Geno Smith, is in the green room, starting to look a little stressed. The experts said he was supposed to be selected by now. Maybe his cell phone is on the fritz? 9:17 -- The Jets take possibly injured cornerback Dee Milliner (Alabama). We're fairly certain it's his first time being drafted. 9:25 -- Alabama gets two in a row when the Tennessee Titans take yet another lineman, guard Chance Warmack. Possible headlines tomorrow in The (Nashville) Tennessean: Titans Take a Chance Titans Go To War-mack Wow, That Was a Really Dull Draft 9:31 -- Three straight for Alabama! This time it's D.J. Fluker, going to San Diego. It's our sixth 300-pound pick in the first 11 choices. Feels like an episode of "The Biggest Loser." Most clever athlete tweet of the night follows immediately, from Greg McElroy, former Alabama QB, now with the Jets: "3 in a row for Bama? I could get used to saying that." The way Nick Saban can sign talent? We all probably should get used to it. 9:36 -- The Raiders get defensive back D.J. Hayden (Houston), who's lucky to be alive after getting hit so hard in practice last year that a vein in his heart ripped open. Most people die from that. More importantly, it's the first time in NFL history we've had back-to-back D.J.'s selected. 9:46 -- The Jets take defensive tackle Sheldon Richardson (Missouri), which means they didn't take poor Geno Smith, and which also means Mark Sanchez, who's had two terrible seasons in a row, still only has to beat out Tim Tebow, David Garrard and Mr. McElroy. Maybe he has footsie photos? 10:03 -- We're up to the 16th pick and nobody's even mentioned Manti Te'o. Then again, if a general manager called him on his cell, how could he trust it was really him? 10:04 -- First quarterback is taken, but it's not poor, forlorn Geno Smith. It's EJ Manuel (Florida State), who goes to the Bills. Possible headline in the Buffalo News: Bills Shifting to Manuel Meanwhile, Geno Smith irons his shirt for the fifth time. 10:10 -- Random thought: You know what you don't see much at the NFL draft? Dads. 10:20 -- The New York Giants need a linebacker -- Te'o, anyone? -- but instead they take another lineman, 307-pound guard Justin Pugh (Syracuse.) I have seen sumo drafts with smaller people. ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper's criticism of Pugh? "He's got short arms." So don't expect him to pick up any dinner checks. 10:29 -- The Chicago Bears, who need a middle linebacker to replace the departed Brian Urlacher, take another of Howie Long's offspring instead, guard Kyle Long (Oregon). Long doesn't say it, but we assume that overall, he's a great person. 10:39 -- Geno Smith returns from watching "Book of Mormon." Missed nothing. 10:40 -- Here's what I don't get. Why isn't anybody taking the Honey Badger, the fabulous playmaking defensive back/punt returner Tyrann Mathieu (LSU)? This kid is going to be a monster in this league. Yeah, he's small, but so was Darrell Green, and he's in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, they say he's trouble, but they said that about Dan Marino, too. Plus, he's got something else none of the players taken so far have. People have actually heard of him. 10:45 -- Still no running backs taken. There hasn't been a draft without a running back taken in the first round since 1963. 10:54 -- For the ninth time tonight, ESPN cuts to poor, depressed Geno Smith. Each camera cut must feel like a literal cut to him at this point. The red light bleeds for him. The unblinking camera eye mocks him. 11:15 -- With the 28th pick, Denver takes defensive tackle Sylvester Williams (North Carolina). 11:17 -- Cancel that Sylvester Williams pick for Denver. Fax didn't go through. 11:33 -- Rumor is the Vikings will trade three picks to the Patriots to get the 29th pick. The Vikings need a linebacker. Rumor is they've been talking to you know who. Te'o? Te'o? Te'o? Nay-o, nay-o, nay-o. They pick wide receiver Cordarrelle Patterson (Tennessee). 11:36 -- Geno Smith has left the building. Walked out. Should've gone to Hawaii. 11:44 -- The Ravens, who lost middle linebacker Ray Lewis, and need a middle linebacker (did we mention Manti Te'o is a middle linebacker?) use the final pick of the first round to take safety Matt Elam (Florida). 11:45 -- Overall in this first round, we went through a paltry five skill players, a massive 18 linemen of one kind or another, and six Advil. Midnight -- Somewhere, Manti Te'o weeps into his pupu platter.

That would be a shocker. I'd be really surprised if they did, but this whole draft has been a surprise so ya never know. Seems like the Giants have taken a QB repeatedly since drafting Eli...work him for a couple of years...then cut him. Seems like a waste of a pick to me, but I'm just a fan on the sidelines.

What....you don't like sexy pics Pdub??? How bout this sexy pic:

Well...the Cowboys look like morons in this draft after their round 1 pick. With the exception of Terrance Williams and JJ Wilcox, I think they got hosed. They burned their 2nd on a pretty good TE (Escobar), but they also signed Witten through 2017 so there's no way they are benching Romo's bread and butter guy, so they've invested heavily in a bench player for the next 2 or 3 years. Washington had no picks to speak of because they traded most of them away to get RGIII last year. Here's what they're saying in the national news: The Redskins threw everything they had at the St. Louis Rams last season in order to move up and take Robert Griffin III. That is already proving to be a worthy decision, but it puts pressure on the Redskins to make good on the picks that they have left moving forward. After having no picks in the first round, Washington took a chance with both of its picks on Friday. Cornerback David Amerson looked like a first-rounder two seasons ago, but a drastic drop-off in 2012 made his stellar 2011 season look like a fluke. If Amerson gets it back together, and there's no reason he shouldn't be able to, the Redskins may very well have done well to take Amerson at No. 51 overall. But until that happens, this pick has bust written all over it. In the third round, Washington picked Jordan Reed out of Florida, a versatile player on offense who may have been versatile because he didn't fit well in any one position. If the Redskins can somehow scheme him into the offense there might be something there, but even then the pick is no home run. Now the Eagles...that's a whole nuther story. Lane Johnson is a stud on the offensive line, they picked up Zach Ertz, who some argue is better or at least as good as Tyler Eifert. The only questionable pick up (in my mind) is DT Bennie Logan who is very athletic, but a little on the smaller side for the NFL and might get pushed around more than in college. ----------------------- Personally, I think our division rivals are not sneaking past us, with the exception of the Eagles. I wouldn't be surprised to see them take Barkley or Nassib and finally get a cerebral type QB instead of one who likes to pretend he's a RB and routinely find his way onto the injured list. Eagles could give us real headaches if they finally get a QB who plays more with his brain than his legs.

One of the things I don't like about highlight videos, is that it cherry picks a dozen or so times a player has performed perfectly, while ignoring the few hundred times they failed. Most the time when a player flattens someone, it's because the play broke down when someone didn't do their job leaving an opposing player as a sitting duck. That doesn't mean that Greene wouldn't be a good pickup, because he probably would be. It's just that every player seems to have put together a video (or several) of the few moments they excelled over the last 4 years and put it to some kind of mind numbing pop/rap music to give it extra splash. And those 5 minutes of cherry picked highlights over several years are not necessarily indicative of the overall player who leaves out all his missed tackles and missed assignments or getting taken out by a lesser player because he was out of position. Those highlights are purposely cut from the tape and laying on the editors floor and are oftentimes a lot better gauge of who you are going to get.

We've obviously focused on fixing the trenches by adding 3 big athletic men - all coming out of college a year early so they are young and eager and have room to grow. Where do we go from here? Personally, I think fixing the d-line addresses a lot of our linebacker problems who were constantly forced to cover the d-line's porosity instead of rushing the passer or tagging TE's and short route receivers. Also, we are blessed with receivers, and our running backs are solid. Perhaps a corner if there's one available that really sticks out. I believe there'll be a run on offensive players today like crazy...QB's, RB's, anyone who can catch a ball, etc...because so much attention was given to the trenches by nearly every team in the first 3 rounds...which means the best players on the board might not be flashy players, but more trench guys. Regardless, it took me awhile to get excited about rebuilding the trenches with youth and solid athleticism, but why stop now. I wouldn't mind if the Giants pursued another offensive lineman...especially if they could get someone like Barrett Jones who is still on the board. I really like this guy a lot. He's been called a "1st/2nd round talent", "the best center in the draft" (sorry Jerry), the "most versatile lineman in the draft", etc., and is only still on the board because he couldn't showcase his talents because of surgery. David Quessenberry is another player on the board who would be a steal this late in the draft and go a long ways towards solidifying the future of our o-line. Anyway, there's a lot written about Barrett, but here's a quickie: A two-time All-American lineman, Jones played Alabama's 42-14 BCS title game rout of Notre Dame with torn ligaments in his foot. Jones had surgery to repair that Lisfranc injury following the championship game, thus limiting his participation in pre-draft workouts and likely causing his value to drop. However, Jones is still the top-rated center in the draft and perhaps the most versatile offensive lineman in this year's class. He started 49 of 53 games at Alabama, including 25 at right guard before switching to left tackle for his junior season. After earning the Outland Trophy as the nation's top lineman in 2011, Jones was switched to center in 2012 and performed flawlessly while helping lead the Crimson Tide to their second straight national championship and third in four seasons. Jones helped pave the way for Alabama backs Eddie Lacy and T.J. Yeldon to rush for a combined 334 rushing yards in a 32-28 win over Georgia in the SEC championship game. If there's a knock on Jones, it's that he does not have the overall strength to blow defenders off the ball. Alabama coach Nick Saban has often compared him to Hall of Famer Bruce Matthews, who played all five line positions during his 19-year career with the Houston Oilers/Tennessee Titans' franchise. Possibilities: OLB - Khaseem Greene (this would be a coup if the Giants were able to get him at this point - maybe time to trade up since everyone is so willing to trade down) I can't believe he'll be on the board when the Giants pick today. TE - Michael Williams 6'6" 270...is the premier blocking TE out of two-time national champion Alabama. Since he was used primarily as a hard nosed blocker, he isn't high on the boards as most teams want someone who specializes in catching the ball. Maybe this guy can, but he's rarely been given the chance because his job has been to take on oncoming DE's and LB's that have beaten the tackles. He'd be a nice fit as we shore up the offensive line. His reputation is that he can hold the edge or push holes in order to assist the RB's. Alabama had a great running game (avg 224 yds per game) due primarily because of their front line and Williams. Safety - Shamarko Thomas (Called a "2nd rd talent", but at 5'8", he doesn't fit the "physical perfection" sought by many......plus TC likes players from Syracuse and Boston College - Thomas is from Syracuse) Safety - Baccari Rambo (I know very little about this guy, but with a name like "Rambo", what's not to like) CB's - B.W. Webb and Jordon Poyer are still on the board....slim pickins

I was thinking the same thing. Everything I've read about him says he was first round talent that fell because of character issues (got busted with pot a couple years ago, likes to party too much, etc.). He's only 20 years old and has some growing up to do and between the coaches having "the talk" and good influence surrounding him, he should mature quickly. But as far as being like Kiwi, you're right because he can play OLB as well as DE and can play either position well. The Giants considered him in the second round because of his freakish skills and were flabbergasted he was still on the board when they were on the clock in the third. TC said there was no way they could pass him up. I like it. It's about time we had a formidable d-line again.

Nice writeup in the New York paper: Doug Marrone is a New Yorker. He grew up in The Bronx as a hard-core New York sports fan. He bleeds Yankees pinstripes. He knows what New York sports fans want: Big names, star power and winning. So Marrone understands why the Giants’ selection of Syracuse offensive tackle Justin Pugh on Thursday in the first round of the NFL Draft did not exactly send the Giants fans at Radio City Music Hall spilling onto Sixth Avenue into spontaneous celebration. Marrone, the current Bills head coach and former Syracuse coach who recruited and coached Pugh for his entire collegiate career, knows this wasn’t the sexy, big-splash draft pick the draftniks crave. But in an interview with The Post Thursday about the newest Giant, Marrone delivered this message for those Giants fans who might have been nonplussed by the pick: In Pugh, you just got a smart, tough, dependable, 10-year starter who can play every position on the offensive line. “He’s just a lunch-pail, go-to-work type of player,’’ Marrone said. If those words do not embody a New York Giants player, none do. “He’s not what you call a ‘sexy’ pick, but he is just a tough kid who works extremely hard in practice and is very proud of what he does,’’ Marrone said. “He’s a very mentally-tough, tough kid and he’s smart. I’m not sure what position he’ll end up playing [for the Giants] but he can play all five positions on the line. “Every single year he was at Syracuse, he’s been, in my opinion, the best lineman in our conference. He’s been a very productive player. I don’t know what other guy who will be drafted that can pay all five positions on the line as well as he can. You can put that kid anywhere and he’ll play well.’’ Pugh, who played left tackle for Syracuse, will likely be penciled in by the Giants as the favorite to start at right tackle, where David Diehl is now more suited to be a swing player as veteran depth. Marrone is not merely a current NFL head coach who happened to coach Pugh at Syracuse. His background is the offensive line. He was an offensive lineman at Syracuse. He was Herman Edwards’ offensive line coach with the Jets, for whom he converted Brandon Moore from a project defensive lineman into a Pro Bowl guard, and he had a hand in a number of other success stories. He was Sean Payton’s offensive line coach in New Orleans. The point is, Marrone knows what a starting NFL offensive lineman looks like. So his glowing assessment of Pugh has to be more than encouraging to Giants fans and — more importantly — to Eli Manning. When their 19th pick arrived on Thursday night, the Giants had a number of options to draft a player flashier than Pugh. Notre Dame tight end Tyler Eifert, a 6-foot-5 1/2 talent with wide-receiver skills, was available. So was controversial Notre Dame linebacker Manti Te’o, as well as the Georgia linebacker with freakish skills, Alec Ogletree, and Florida State defensive linemen Bjoern Werner and Tank Carradine. Any of those players would have elicited a more excited reaction from Big Blue Nation. But no matter, Marrone said. “For me, [Pugh] has all the intangibles I always look for,” Marrone said. “He’s versatile, tough, smart, plays hard, plays hurt and finishes.’’ Recalling the first time he saw a recruiting tape of Pugh playing high school ball in the Philadelphia area, Marrone said: “He was on our board and we put on a tape of him and I was like, ‘Who is this kid? We’ve got to go get him. He can run and hit.’ “I thought, ‘Is it me or is this kid not the real deal?’ He had freakish movement skills and great feet.’’ Marrone, who had Pugh red-shirt in his freshman year “because he was developing his body,’’ then watched him seize the starting left tackle job a sophomore and more than hold his own in practice against teammate Chandler Jones, who the Patriots drafted as a defensive lineman in the first round last year. “When Chandler went to New England in the first round last year,’’ Marrone said, “I knew Justin was probably thinking about coming out [early] for the draft.’’ Now he’s a Giant, something that should excite Big Blue fans more than their lukewarm draft-night reaction suggests.

Well...I'm calling it a night. I can't wait to read the papers in the morning that rate the drafts and see the Giants get a "C" grade by the idiots that always give us a "C", even when we got Eli. So we got a good offensive lineman - one of the best available. We got a run stuffer with the nickname "Big John" and a DE nicknamed "DaMonster". Cool....the nicknames should go right along with "Hynocerous". I like players with nicknames. Oh well...and to all a good night!

Mayock had him pegged getting picked in the first half of the 2nd round and he's been pretty much on the money with players. Hope that means something. Also, virtually every sheet I have from every site has him in the top 30 except two of them that have him at 32 and 38 respectively. Hopefully he matches the hype. Well...we've gotten some youth on the o-line with one of the best technicians in the game. We got a run stuffer on the d-line and now a DE his teammates call "Da Monster" as a cute take on Damonte. I have to say...Reese making that speech about taking the best player available and ignoring needs falls flat on it's face. The Giants went straight need in the first 3 rounds. And it's going back to TC's original philosophy when he first came to NY, and that is when he said, "the game is won in the trenches and we're going to build great lines". When he first started, apart from going after Eli...he picked up players like Snee and Cofield. Apart from JPP though, they've kind of deviated from the "trench first" philosophy. But it looks like that philosophy is back.

I wouldn't hold my breath. This has got to be the most anti-climactic draft I can ever remember. No one takes the obvious and everyone goes for guys that aren't even in the top hundred on most lists. Hard to imagine what the Giants will do, but I doubt it will be an obvious pick...in fact, probably just the opposite. It seems we'd target a CB or Safety, but who knows. I think JJ Wilcox is still on the board and he'd be a good pickup.

Actually, the porous d-line is half the reason our linebackers seem worse than they are. They frequently have to bail out the line. The more solid the d-line, the better our current linebackers are going to be. Our line has never really been the same since we lost Cofield.