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Trade down with the phins or chargers, and pick up an extra 2nd rounder so we can draft this guy: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/harrison-bryant?id=32194252-5936-3372-c05e-d19e0eddbf05

At this point, why not move him to wideout, with Slayton on the opposite side, with Shepherd and Tate alternating at or competing for the slot? He's not a good blocker anyway, and can't stay healthy as a traditional or even a move oriented TE. I think it's worth a try. I can't see anyone trading much for him. By the way, the kid from Florida Atlantic looks like he could be a steal in round 2.

Trade to 6 or 7 and take the best OT available, hopefully Jedrick Willis or Andrew Thomas.

That's definitely a possibility as well. Any scheme which frees him up to attack instead of taking on blocks.

Well to me with his fantastic combine and demonstrably fast speed and agility, Simmons just made the case for why he can and should be moved SS in this league. If we took him and put him a SS, I'd be happy with it. I'm not sure we're going to extend Peppers after this year, the last year in his contract, though he does have the 1 year option if we choose to exercise it. Simmons can be the next Troy Palamalu, but hopefully without the injuries. Other case for him might be WILL LB in a 4-3 scheme. MLB could be difficult for him. Either way, he's likely going to be a successful defender in the league for a long time.

Isaiah Simmons is the kind of guy we likely pass on, and instead land get a solid OT....yet years down the road, Simmons will have like 3x all pros by the time he's 30.

I would be pissed.

Bethea and Ellison should be cut as well.

I doubt the two get that much. Golden might come close though. His problem is past injuries might have him labeled as injury prone.

Cuts to free up cap space, and cut the dead weight: Ogletree Ellison Kareem Martin Bethea Free agency: DL Chris Jones, 6 years $135 million LB Corey Littleton, 5 years $75-85 million CB Byron Jones, 5 years $75-85 million C Graham Glasgow, 5 years, $60 million Re-signings Olb Markus Golden, 3 years $24 million OT Mike Remmers (as a backup) 1 year, $2mm Lb David Meyo (backup, depth) 1 year, minimum WR Corey Coleman 1 year, minimum Draft: 1st: Best OT available. Thur far, I like Jedrick Willis 2nd: DE/OLB Jonathan Greenard, or best Edge available. 3rd (assuming compensatory pick for Landon Collins), best S available.

"Gettleman thinks he got someone worth two draft picks....for 8 games...in a failing season.

Oh now you don't care about the draft picks because it was never your decision? When has any Giants front office decision been your decision? Lol I didn't say I was an expert. All I said is it's rudimentary football knowledge that draft picks, which don't matter to you, are precious assets that help build a team. One must work in an NFL front office to grasp that? Having said that, let's review the facts: - We traded a 3rd and 4th/5th rounder (and a high draft picks in each round) for an underachieving Leonard Williams, for 8 games in a failing season. So what the hell did we get in return for those two draft picks? What other team not going on a playoff run does this? If we wanted him as a FA all along, we could have bid for and signed him in the off-season without giving up two draft picks, one of which is a premium pick. Getty threw away and wasted those draft picks for NOTHING. That is gross incompetence. And when you say we've wasted entire drafts...yeah. Bad GMs waste their draft picks. Our GM just wasted two of ours.

The draft is largely how you build your team, and the those pics are precious assets Getty just squandered for nothing. This "we needed an 8 game audition to find out about him" excuse is a joke. Again, if Getty couldn't get a read on a player after 4 1/2 years in the league, he should not have pursued the guy. Most teams, good teams, covet their draft picks. Winning teams. Even middle round picks matter. For example KC: Kelce: 3rd rounder. Tyreke Hill: 5th rounder. Mahomes: Their trade included a 3rd round pick to get him. Nobody gives their DL enough credit but Derrick Nnadi, Kalen Saunders: 3rd rounders. You brought up the Eli trade. Guess what was part of the trade to bring him in...middle round picks! The reason you don't care about draft picks is because you don't know what you're doing.

If Gettlemen thought that, then that's just another illustration of his incompetence. I also don't understand exactly why BJ Hill was in the doghouse all season, after a promising rookie year.

The team was going nowhere last season. Trading away a high 3rd and 4th/5th for an underachiever for only 8 games in a losing season is gross incompetence. As I said, what other team does this? What the heck did we just get for our precious draft picks, key assets we need to build a winning team? At least when the Lions traded for Harrison, and Saint Eli Apple, they gave up far less for guys that they planned to have around for at least two plus years. Getty got rolled by the Jets.

I doubt anyone is going to lose sleep over losing Williams. He's not going anywhere else and pulling a Shaq Barrett type enlightenment. If anything, if we sign him to a big deal and he underachieves as he always has, that will be the ammo to fire Getty.

They have to find something to write about and they're hoping we have short memories, lol.

He's incompetent because he has us in a lose lose situation. If Williams walks, we lose a 3rd and 5th to have had a guy for 8 games. If Williams re-signs, Getty likely overpays for only a mid tier starter, and we lose a 3rd and 4th. This is hardly comparable to the Eli trade, a trade for a franchise QB vs a midseason trade for an underachieving 5th year DL in a failed season about to turn FA. I'd rather the Giants had traded for him and choose not to keep him over signing him long term and then realizing they overpaid for him and have that contract impacting the team for years to come. If Getty wasn't able to evaluate Williams based on 4 1/2 years in the league, then he shouldn't be signing or trading for him, or Getty should consider another line of work. I don't buy that we needed to trade two draft picks for an 8 game audition for the guy...what other team does this? Heck, when have the Giants ever traded draft picks to audition a guy for half a season?

I've been out of the loop. Has anyone said yet if we're going 3-4 or 4-3?

You're not concerned with giving up two draft picks, a high 3rd and 4th/5th? You're not concerned with potentially overpaying for only a decent starter, and wasting precious cap space? Those are the assets to use to improve the team. Either way, that trade was gross incompetence on Gettlemen's part. Possibly his worst move this season. Can you name a worse move from Gettlemen last season?

Yes, therein lies the problem with the trade. Why give up draft picks for a guy in the last year of his contract, for 8 games in a failing season???? If you really want him, the logical thing to do would be to try to sign him in the offseason, and NOT trade for him. I seriously believe Getty should be fired over it for gross incompetence. Has Getty even acknowledged this massive drawback to trading for Leonard Williams, and recognized his error?

A 10mm cap hit wouldn't even place Leonard Williams on the top 25 of DL salaries in the league. Browsing that level currently, you have guys like Eddie Goldman, Damon Harrison, Trent Murphy...Williams is probably around that talent level. Personally, if we're going to spend on a DL, we should just go all in for Chris Jones, with a 5 year 100-120 million dollar contract, or something close to that.

They are not in a great cap position, and may have to re-sign Mahomes at this point, though they could cut Watkins and free up a lot of room. We're in a relatively stronger cap position. I'd love Jones if possible. If not, for DL, I'd be happy with Armstead. I would go all in on one of those two, because after those, there really isn't much top level talent at DL in free agency. Offer 5 years, $100-110mm I don't consider Leornard Willams top level talent; decent starter, but nothing special. I'm also a big believer in controlling the line of scrimmage.

Yes. And Getty needs to avoid the overpaying him this offseason. Anything more than $10mm per year is too much, plus let's not forget the 5th round pick we would give up to the Jets changes to a 4th if he re-signs. Please don't get us caught in a sunken cost fallacy. Just cut your losses at this point and accept losing the 3rd and 5th.

If we pay him more than $10mm per year, Gettlemen is a fool and should be fired. Might as well pay Chris Jones or Arik Armstead at that point.