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Gettlemen is a genius at giving himself excuses to prevent getting fired. Last year was all about turning the page on Eli and developing a new QB, so we largely forgave him for the poor season, plus praised him for getting us Daniel Jones. With this upcoming season, he has several built in excuses: - New coaches/new systems. - Lots of turnover in free agency. - Given that he blatantly failed to address the offensive line in free agency, if he drafts OL and expects them to start, he can simply say we have young players at key positions on the O line who we're developing. - Well, I only brought in Williams for a season and a half.

Shit, you got me!

Sweet, RB depth and ST. We're on our way to the playoffs baby.

And Corey Coleman. Prob 1 year minimum deals, or close to it. But we still have a shit line.

And I remind everyone that Ogletree was a Gettlemen acquisition. This is the most depressing table. Here are our top 5 paid players: Solder Leonard Williams James Bradberry Blake Martinez Kevin Zeitler https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/cap/ Zeitler is fine I guess.

Given that we didn't address our offensive line in free agency, next year appears to be another wasted season for Barkley. Unless Solder and Hernandez gets their act together, Gates turn out to be for real, we upgrade at C over Pulley, and/or draft starting caliber OL. Lots of ifs.

Yep. Plus Golden remains unsigned last I checked. We probably could have locked him in with like 2 years 12 million, or 3 years 18. Instead, between Williams and Fackrell, we paid 22 million for 1.5 sacks. Ugh.

Yeah, I'm not big on drafting or spending a lot on RBs and TEs. For the run game, in my view the biggest factor is and always has been the talent at OL.

My feelings exactly.

It depends on how he does the next two years...if he endures too much damage and degrades in ability, then yeah, I'd be averse to any long term commitment. But if he's a true generational back with consistent production, then I'd keep him. Judging by the fact that we haven't really fixed our offensive line this offseason, this year figures to be another tough year for Barkley.

I don't see Martinez as an improvement. Is Bradberry an upgrade over Janoris Jenkins? That's what I'm judging on. Jenkins wasn't released until late in the season.

I can't.

Also, I'm quite certain this is for depth/backup, or camp competition....I think the regime is high on Nick Gates, who looked decent at RT last year. Plus we may draft an OT high. My concern is more with Center. Spencer Pulley can't be the guy. I wanted Graham Glasgow, who went to the Broncos for only 4 years $44mm.

For reference on PFF, he graded worse than Nate Solder last year.

And Fackrell will magically get back to 10 sacks, a season after having Preston Smith and Zadarious Smith on your team, and only producing one.

I'd prefer to take my chances with Golden in this system over Fackrell, for a reasonable price, but agree to disagree. I don't see much interest in Golden since he tested free agency. We may have been able to get him cheap at like 2 years $12 millions, or 3 years $20mm.

Why is someone else's system going to adversely affect his sacks? Is our new DC's system going to magically get Fackrell and Leonard Williams up to 8 plus sacks each? But it wouldn't have been effective with Golden?

It wouldn't be the first mediocore offensive linemen who was overpaid in free agency...Solder...cough cough...Solder....cough cough.

Would have been funny though if between Williams, Fackrell, and Clowney, if Getty invested $48 million in a total of 5 sacks among 3 alleged pass rushers, lol. Right now, he's at +$22mm for two guys who produced 1.5 sacks. If that's not incompetence, I don't know what is. But Markus Golden went from a few sacks to 10 with the giants, I can hear some of you saying. That's only because he was oft injured and only a part time player the past two years before joining the giants last year. His full time starter production is 10 sacks last year, and 12 sacks three years ago. I highly doubt Fackrell pulls in more than 6 sacks for a full time starter.

Yes, and can I remind everyone that Gettlemen traded two draft picks for Ogletree (granted, late rounders). Plus the Kareem Martin LB pickup that was a total waste. I find it interesting that the one LB move Getty made that sort of worked was Markus Golden, who it looks like Getty has now shunned in free agency. I'm serious when I say if we don't go at least 8-8, Getty should be canned. If this current crop, Martinez, Carter, Fackrell, Connolly, and Ximines don't pan out this year, just more of a reason to can him.

It's the dolphins

We figure to have an improved run defense in a league that's increasingly based on a pass attack.

Blake Martinez replaces Ogletree. (Same caliber of MLB) Bradberry replaces Jenkins (possibly a small upgrade, but trivial at best). Fackrell replaces Golden (likely a downgrade). And we bring back Leonard Williams. So in sum, we essentially are fielding the same defense as last year, personnel wise.

On the other hand, when these moves fail to turn the team around, and we post a sub 500 season, Getty will have had more than enough time to try to right the ship, and should be fired accordingly.

Cool, so between Leonard Williams and Fackrell, we have over $22mm in cap space tied up on 1.5 sacks last season, on your two big signings to address the pass rush on this team. Good job Getty, lol