BlueInCanada

Yeah I got no problem with it. At least it's shorter then what they do when they bring the draft picks out and have them snap pictures.

Luck has got a new toy.

They need a duck.

And away we go.

I only seen the commercial acouple times during last nights draft, maybe because of me being in Canada.

I got six Guinness, a 12 of Moosehead and few Keiths. Plus a new bottle of Jack Daniels that has been sitting in the back of the cabinet.

I'll join you in that Friday night.

Yeah like Storm said I think this is more of a "Ok Osi might be gone in the not so distant future so let's make sure we keep Kiwi"

When the Giants had the two headed beast in Jacobs and Ware during the 2008 season the O-line was regarded as one of the best in football at the time in rushing and being only the fifth team in NFL history to have two 1000 yard rushers. Lets look at who was on the line. Diehl, Seuburt, O'hara, Snee, McKenzie. Their draft positions; Diehl; Round five, pick 160, in 2003. Seubert; Undrafted O'hara; Undrafted Snee; Round two, pick 34 in 2004. McKenzie; Round three, pick 79, in 2001. Not a single first round pick and only one second round pick on arguably the best Giants O-line to ever suit up in blue. Just food for thought.

Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis.

5th round. We still have two fourths.

I believe it was to stop any team from trading up with the Vikings to take Richardson.

Just as a note, as a football fan, I loved the draft so far. All the trades and with the new CBA teams being able to trade up and get who they want without worrying about having to sign a top ten pick to a 150 million dollar contract. Cant wait for the next couple rounds.

You want them to trade their franchise RB which is the only thing winning games for them? It's like saying someone should trade us a third and get Eli in return.

Trent Richardson, to the Broooons.

So second round mock up on at NFL.com 33. St. Louis Rams: Cordy Glenn, Georgia, G/OT: Jeff Fisher would love to rebuild the Rams' offensive with big, athletic blockers with position flexibility. Glenn certainly fits the bill. 34. Indianapolis Colts: Coby Fleener, Stanford, TE: Colts are excited to pick up Andrew Luck's favorite target at the top of the round. 35. Baltimore Ravens: Jonathan Martin, Stanford, OT: Ozzie Newsome should tab Martin as the eventual successor to Bryant McKinnie at left tackle despite concerns regarding the Stanford tackle's temperament and effort. 36. Denver Broncos: Jerel Worthy, Michigan State, DT: John Fox wants to beef up the Broncos' frontline with more athletic big bodies in the middle. 37. Cleveland Browns: Rueben Randle, LSU, WR: Mike Holmgren continues to remake the Browns' offense by adding a polished pass catcher with outstanding size, speed and ball skills. 38. Jacksonville Jaguars: Andre Branch, Clemson, DE: The Jaguars' pass rush desperately needs an explosive edge rusher like Branch in the rotation. 39. St. Louis Rams: Stephen Hill, Georgia Tech, WR: Sam Bradford would welcome a big, athletic target like Hill to feature in the passing game. 40. Carolina Panthers: Alshon Jeffery, South Carolina, WR: The Panthers need to surround Cam Newton with a host of dynamic weapons in the passing game. Jeffery's size and athleticism make him a tough guard, particularly in the red zone. 41. Buffalo Bills: Mike Adams, Ohio State, OT: Buddy Nix is not content with the Bills' offensive tackle situation, so taking a flier on the talented Adams is a sensible selection at this point. 42. Miami Dolphins: Bobby Massie, Ole Miss: With Marc Colombo officially retired, the Dolphins could use a physical right tackle to shore up offensive line. 43. Seattle Seahawks: Zach Brown, North Carolina, LB: Pete Carroll wants to improve the speed and athleticism of Seahawks' linebacker corps. Brown's extraordinary explosiveness makes him a perfect fit. 44. Kansas City Chiefs: Mychal Kendricks, Cal, ILB: The Chiefs have knocked their recent drafts out of the park by consistently selecting tough, productive players like Kendricks in early rounds. 45. St. Louis Rams: Lamar Miller, Miami, RB: Steven Jackson is starting to slow down, so the time is right to add an explosive complementary runner to shoulder some of the offensive load. 46. Philadelphia Eagles: Lavonte David, Nebraska, OLB: Andy Reid is intent on rebuilding his defense with athletic playmakers with instincts and awareness. 47. New York Jets: Courtney Upshaw, Alabama, OLB: The Jets' defense has taken a step back without an established pass rusher to press the pocket off the edge. Upshaw isn't explosive but is a gritty competitor with a knack for getting to the quarterback. 48. New England Patriots: Trumaine Johnson, Montana, CB: The Patriots' secondary needs a facelift after surrendering numerous big plays in 2011. Johnson is a big, physical corner with excellent movement skills who could be a potential starter. 49. San Diego Chargers: Peter Konz, Wisconsin, G/C: The recent retirement of Kris Dielman and declining performance of Nick Hardwick makes it imperative for the Chargers to add a fundamentally sound player on the interior. 50. Chicago Bears: Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama, CB: If GM Phil Emery can find a comfort level with Jenkins' off-field issues, the selection of Jenkins would significantly upgrade the talent in the secondary. 51. Philadelphia Eagles: Bernard Pierce, Temple, RB: LeSean McCoy is an outstanding playmaker, but the Eagles need to add a big, physical runner to the rotation to handle some of the dirty work between the tackles. 52. Tennessee Titans: Devon Still, Penn State, DT: The Titans lost Jason Jones in free agency, so the team needs to find an imposing interior defender with size and strength. 53. Cincinnati Bengals: Vinny Curry, Marshall, DE: Marvin Lewis would love to add a hard-working edge player with rush skills. Curry is an underrated disruptive force as a pass rusher, and his presence would certainly bolster the Bengals' rush efforts. 54. Detroit Lions: Kelechi Osemele, Iowa State, G: Martin Mayhew might continue his efforts to upgrade the pass protection around Matthew Stafford with the addition of Osemele. 55. Atlanta Falcons: Dwayne Allen, Clemson, TE: It is time for the Falcons to find an eventual replacement for Tony Gonzalez. 56. Pittsburgh Steelers: Brandon Thompson, Clemson, NT: Casey Hampton is nearing the end of his career, so it is time for the Steelers to find a possible successor at nose tackle. Thompson isn't ideally suited to play the position at this time, but he has the frame to grow into the role within a year. 57. Denver Broncos: Brock Osweiler, Arizona State, QB: Osweiler is not a finished product at this point, but he could develop into a franchise-caliber quarterback after serving an apprenticeship behind Peyton Manning for a few years. 58. Houston Texans: Tommy Streeter, Miami, WR: The Texans' receiving corps needs a legitimate vertical threat to alleviate some of the pressure on Andre Johnson. Streeter possesses the size and athleticism to create mismatches against one-on-one coverage. 59. Green Bay Packers: Kendall Reyes, Connecticut, DT: Reyes is the ideal five-technique to line up beside Clay Matthews in the Packers' 3-4. He possesses the length to win against power players, but also flashes enough first-step quickness to press the pocket off the edge. 60. Baltimore Ravens: Janzen Jackson, McNeese State, S: Ed Reed's illustrious career is coming to a close, so Ozzie Newsome will look to long and hard at Jackson as a possible replacement. 61. San Francisco 49ers: Amini Silatolu, Midwestern State, G: Silatolu could become an immediate starter for the 49ers if Trent Baalke makes the move at this point. Silatolu is still raw and unrefined in several aspects of his game but would be a nice value pick for the 49ers in the second round. 62. New England Patriots: Josh Robinson, Central Florida, CB: The Patriots have already addressed this need with a previous pick, but Robinson's combination of speed and quickness makes him an intriguing option at this point. 63. New York Giants: Jamell Fleming, Oklahoma, CB: The Giants are loaded at cornerback, but Fleming brings size, length and exceptional instincts to the table. Wonder if the Giants will package the extra fourth and maybe even Osi to trade up.

I <3 you Venny. I'm glad we can agree there, yes you can make a correlation between draft grades and where a player is selected. Obviously Luck is the best player in the draft, the grades show it and he was taken first over all which he should be. I just dont think you can look at Wilson and say "He's only ranked such and such the Giant's should of done this" When in all honesty the Giants have been doing fine with what they have been doing and know much more about the Giants then any of us ever will. They felt like they got a player that will help them win and hopefully get us lifting up another Lombardi and picking at 32 again so we can have this debate all over again next year And who's to say some of these O-line dont slide to us, a second round O-line is probably just as good then an O-line picked at 32.

I dont think a single person has denied the correlation. Obviously people are rated on where they should be coming out of college. I was just saying that there is alot more to drafting a player then looking at some grade or rating. But like you said live and let live. Let's hope Wilson turns out to be the player he is since obviously Reese and CO felt like he is worth the 32nd pick.

Not to mention how do you account for busts and sleepers? Guys like Tom Brady who probably wouldnt even have a grade on him coming out of college but then out performing anyone in his draft.

Not to mention more then one source then ESPN. Especially when multiple sites have differing grades and player positions. Not accounting for the 100s of "expert" mock drafts out there.

I'm still sticking with what I'm saying, the Giants drafted the best player for them at 32.

Well according to you they dont. Since obviously they chose the worst player they could at pick 32 today.

This thread has gotten to so far off topic it's next to pathetic. I'm happy with the pick Venny, the Giants got a player that they the Giants you know the team you say you root for and have won two Superbowls in the last five years, wanted. Honestly there isnt anything more to say to it then that. Reese has shown to know what he is doing, regardless of following some mathematical formula.

Here's the NFL draft grade system. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/tracker/by-round#dt-tabs:dt-by-grade/dt-by-grade-input:1 According to it outside of the first and second pick of the draft, every single grade didnt correspond with their draft location.

You didnt prove anything really. I would like to see more examples then one draft, as a statistician you should know one sample of a single round of a draft is nothing to make a claim on. So please, use your statistician trade to prove what you mean.