Tom Coughlin Suits These Giants Perfectly

[Zelmo]

It seems the more time passes since the 2007 SB run, the more the Giants of that year are being spun as some sort of defensively suffocating team. That's really not how the dynamics were. At all.

 

You want an example of a defense carrying an offense, making mediocre play completely irrelevant? You're thinking of the 2000 Ravens. In their four playoff games in 2000, the Ravens gave up a combined 23 points...23 points...in four games!!! Including only two touchdowns, one of which was a kickoff return during the Giants game. So in four games the Ravens gave up one offensive touchdown. Two of those games their opponent only scored three points.

 

The 2007 run was simply not like that. The one game the defense won, hands down, was the actual SB game. Fueled almost completely by a vicious pass rush, they held the most prolific offense in NFL history to 14 points, 22 points below their season average. They took away the Patriots big plays and by the time the Pats adjusted it was too late. The other games I wouldn't give the game ball particularly to either unit. It was a combined team effort. Even the pass rush wasn't so blatantly monsterous in the other games, it was just very good.

 

In fact in the 2007 regular season the Giants were ranked 14th in points scored and 17th in points allowed.

 

Also, Eli's performance in the GB game was nothing short of amazing. Even though he ended up 21 for 40 with no TD's, anyone who saw that game knows he was excellent. Timing, accuracy, poise, everything was there under extremely hostile conditions, both related to the game itself, an NFC Championship game in Lambeu, and to the weather, being one of the most frigid games of all time.

 

In closing I'll point out that just as no amount of stats can show that Eli Manning is as good as Tom Brady, so too a perfunctory and superficial comparison of Eli's and Hostetler's game stats during their playoff runs also doesn't do any justice. I was a baby for the Hostetler SB run, and so have no idea what the dynamics were like, but I was around for the Eli SB run, and no one who was there could describe it as a basically mediocre QB just not turning the ball over while the defense went out and won the day. Eli didn't just not make mistakes, he played very well during that stretch.

 

It's a shame that over the years it's slowly being portrayed otherwise.

 

 

 

-Z

[Allstarjim]

Good post Z

[ksm7]

I honestly don't know why you guys bother. Talk to the wiener, bang your head against a wall, try and teach a retard advanced physics... you just get the same results.

 

wow, the debate must be quite an affair, as it has brought out the finest of people...the dog wonders, how many of your physics teachers ended up concussed in the end?

 

it's simple, the dog never chose to take this thread the way it went. others went the manning direction. the dog started by noting that having hostetler as a back up worked out well for the giants, contrary to what the dog thinks was jack's point.

[Storm]

wow, the debate must be quite an affair, as it has brought out the finest of people...the dog wonders, how many of your physics teachers ended up concussed in the end?

 

it's simple, the dog never chose to take this thread the way it went. others went the manning direction. the dog started by noting that having hostetler as a back up worked out well for the giants, contrary to what the dog thinks was jack's point.

 

Ya, what in the bloody hell WAS Jack's point? While Carr isn't the best QB, if he can be like Hostetler, that would be sweet.....I think Carr is athletically a better QB, anyway.

[fishgutmartyr]

were the 9ers undefeated? how was joe montana's health in that game?

No, the 49ers weren't undefeated, they went 14-2 for a second consecutive year. They won the previous two superbowls, and were the favorites to win a third that year. I don't see why you wouldn't consider them an all time great team if they had made and won a 3rd consecutive Superbowl--no one else has...

 

Joe Montana's health was just fine going into that game.

 

How exactly does that take away from the Giant's accomplishments that they knocked out 2 "all-time great teams?"

[BadEgg]

the dog suggests you go back and review the games. defense controlled the buccears. now, certainly the giants in general handled that game in all aspects, and again, manning played a solid mistake free game. go to dallas. after a sluggish start against the run game, that defense tortured that o-line and romo all game. the fact that eli completed a short out pattern that toomer took 54 yards after breaking a tackle doesn't strike the dog as dominant. solid, yes. solid game overall, yes. go to green bay. defense stymied that team as well. eli didn't turn the ball over (very much to his credit, by the way, given the circumstances). he played a solid game. and the super bowl was more of the same. since the defense played a key role in all of that, it fails to be a bullshit argument.

 

and please highlight another 4 game stretch in his 7 year career that eli played mistake free football and was solid throughout? when you do, then you can call the dog's comment backhanded...until then, deal with the facts.

 

Bottom line is that there are probably more than15 other QBs that could have won the Giants the Superbowl in 2007 and would not have needed a freaky circus catch by a no-name WR to do it.

[Storm]

Bottom line is that there are probably more than15 other QBs that could have won the Giants the Superbowl in 2007 and would not have needed a freaky circus catch by a no-name WR to do it.

 

Because we all know those other 15 QBs could have actually gotten that team there.

[fishgutmartyr]

Bottom line is that there are probably more than15 other QBs that could have won the Giants the Superbowl in 2007 and would not have needed a freaky circus catch by a no-name WR to do it.

There were 17 other QBs that got the shit knocked out of them by those very same Patriots, including our old pal, Tony Romo.

 

Pressure game. Career defining moment...

[fishgutmartyr]

the dog suggests you go back and review the games. defense controlled the buccears. now, certainly the giants in general handled that game in all aspects, and again, manning played a solid mistake free game. go to dallas. after a sluggish start against the run game, that defense tortured that o-line and romo all game. the fact that eli completed a short out pattern that toomer took 54 yards after breaking a tackle doesn't strike the dog as dominant. solid, yes. solid game overall, yes. go to green bay. defense stymied that team as well. eli didn't turn the ball over (very much to his credit, by the way, given the circumstances). he played a solid game. and the super bowl was more of the same. since the defense played a key role in all of that, it fails to be a bullshit argument.

 

and please highlight another 4 game stretch in his 7 year career that eli played mistake free football and was solid throughout? when you do, then you can call the dog's comment backhanded...until then, deal with the facts.

 

How about the first FIVE games of the 2009 season? 8 tds, 2 int. The SEVEN game win streak in 2008?

 

I won't bother going into specific stats, because I know you'll ignore them and go right back to this in a week or so.

 

It's a bullshit argument because it over emphasizes the defense in what was a team effort. Does the 2nd half in Dallas play out like it did if Manning doesn't get that 2 minute drill in before the half? Are we even in overtime if the defense held that score in the 4th quarter?

[JackStroud]

DALLAS does not have the horses Dog

 

the lineman

 

they have not had them since 1995

 

why do you think we keep beating the crap out of them with admittedly an up and down QB????