xxi-xxv Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 ....because this is a 3rd place team and will most likely play like one the entire year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 don't like the offseason so far? the bullpen looks better at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jranieli Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Once again the starting pitching sucks besides Santana. The pen could only do so much like last year and wear down. So far the Mets have not addressed left field. Once again, it will be a revolving door. Oh I almost forgot to talk about second base. Looks like Mr. Crippled Knees will start the year once again at second. This fucking disgusts me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 there are still plenty of LF's out there, and cheap too. the longer they wait the cheaper they'll be. so far i'd say the only real disappointment was not getting Lowe--but the braves got desperate and surprisingly gave him more than most would've Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jranieli Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 there are still plenty of LF's out there, and cheap too. the longer they wait the cheaper they'll be. so far i'd say the only real disappointment was not getting Lowe--but the braves got desperate and surprisingly gave him more than most would've I think the Mets would have matched and went beyond what the Braves offered Lowe if they really wanted him. I just never got the feeling that Minaya wanted Lowe. In the end, I think they will eventually re-sign Oliver Perez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxi-xxv Posted January 24, 2009 Author Share Posted January 24, 2009 Mets top 3 starters as of now are fine with Johan, Pelfry and Maine as is the bullpen. What pains me is this teams offense. Tatis and Murphy in LF and Church in RF?? LMAO thats a joke of a corner situation and the fact that these cheap ass fuckers will not go get Manny is disgusting for the prices they charge. Yeah yeah I know Jeff said its Omar, I call bullshit. Sign Manny and you have a lineup that looks like this.... Reyes Beltran Wright Manny Delgado Church Schneider Castillo move it how you choose, you can also allow Murphy to get some at bats and spelling Delgado from time to time and Manny and grooming him for everyday 1B in 2010 when Delgado is no longer here. I know the coupons do not want to spend money so lets say they go a tad over the budget in 2009, well in 2010 Delgados 14 mil are off and you can supplement 1b with Murphy and still have Manny. Plus with Manny hitting in fron of him you can maximize Delgado and hopefully get an entire productive season out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jranieli Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Mets top 3 starters as of now are fine with Johan, Pelfry and Maine as is the bullpen. What pains me is this teams offense. Tatis and Murphy in LF and Church in RF?? LMAO thats a joke of a corner situation and the fact that these cheap ass fuckers will not go get Manny is disgusting for the prices they charge. Yeah yeah I know Jeff said its Omar, I call bullshit. Sign Manny and you have a lineup that looks like this.... Reyes Beltran Wright Manny Delgado Church Schneider Castillo move it how you choose, you can also allow Murphy to get some at bats and spelling Delgado from time to time and Manny and grooming him for everyday 1B in 2010 when Delgado is no longer here. I know the coupons do not want to spend money so lets say they go a tad over the budget in 2009, well in 2010 Delgados 14 mil are off and you can supplement 1b with Murphy and still have Manny. Plus with Manny hitting in fron of him you can maximize Delgado and hopefully get an entire productive season out of him. Maybe you will feel better now, they just signed OF Rob Mackowiak. CHAMPIONSHIP!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxi-xxv Posted January 24, 2009 Author Share Posted January 24, 2009 Maybe you will feel better now, they just signed OF Rob Mackowiak. CHAMPIONSHIP!!! Those cheap cock suckers only spent money to get people excited for the new stadium, now they are back to their old ways......... large market light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LorfTVP Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 The market for hitters is incredibly cheap now, look at Burrell, and the likes of Abreu and Dunn are still out there. Plus there are all those end of their ropes superstars out there. But yah, not looking good. Still, with Reyes, Beltran, Wright, and Delgado as part of your core lineup, you should definitely crack 83-86. It's the pitching that'll do it in. But the NL East, like the AL, is a clusterfuck, and anything can happen with intradivisional games. Just don't finish behind the Marlins. :brooding: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 With the addition of Ollie Perez the 2009 Mets will win the East by 3 games minimum. The rotation is fine, the bullpen improved, even going beyond Putz and K-Rod. Murphy will be a good hitter, Church will have a good year as long as he doesn't suffer another head injury. The offense and the pitching will be fine. The offense isn't going to be a juggernaut, but they will score enough to win on most nights, and the rotation of: Johan Pelfrey Perez Maine Garcia/Redding/Niese Will be outstanding. Johan will win the Cy Young this year. Mark it down and get behind this team now. And Mackowiak is a decent hitter to come off the bench in MLB, regardless of how bad his 2008 stats are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jranieli Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 With the addition of Ollie Perez the 2009 Mets will win the East by 3 games minimum. The rotation is fine, the bullpen improved, even going beyond Putz and K-Rod. Murphy will be a good hitter, Church will have a good year as long as he doesn't suffer another head injury. The offense and the pitching will be fine. The offense isn't going to be a juggernaut, but they will score enough to win on most nights, and the rotation of: Johan Pelfrey Perez Maine Garcia/Redding/Niese Will be outstanding. Johan will win the Cy Young this year. Mark it down and get behind this team now. And Mackowiak is a decent hitter to come off the bench in MLB, regardless of how bad his 2008 stats are. They still have to add a left in the pen. Feliciano is the only left specialist in the pen right now. After that the pen will be fine. They just increased their offer to Perez and I do believe he is coming back. He is only 27 and just got married so if he can get his act back together, he could be a solid #2 starter. Big Pelf is going to have a great year, mark it down. I wish I can be as positive as you on offense but this is the same offense that could not get Murphy on third to score. They need a bat, period. I would like Manny but the organization is pretty sure they aren't going to sign him. I would also be happy with Adam Dunn. He does strike out but has a lot of power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 I'm going to watch this Mets season with absolutely ZERO emotion what so ever. I won't cheer at home, hell...half the time I don't even watch them at home. I won't get pissed off when the bullpen blows a 4 to 1 game in the 8th and 9th innings. I told myself I won't get pissed until the last week of September. I also believe the Mets have no shot at winning the East, that belongs to the Phillies and probably win it by 5 games. Of course the Mets are the cheapest team in a large market and the right thing to do is to sign Manny for 2 years...it makes sense and he'll give the team instant credibility. But no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gateb Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 If we trade for Jermaine Dye and re-sign Ollie I'll consider them legitimate enough to win the division. No way in hell we can go into the season with Murphy, Tatis, and Church as our OFs. Who's our 2b? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxi-xxv Posted January 25, 2009 Author Share Posted January 25, 2009 With the addition of Ollie Perez the 2009 Mets will win the East by 3 games minimum. The rotation is fine, the bullpen improved, even going beyond Putz and K-Rod. Murphy will be a good hitter, Church will have a good year as long as he doesn't suffer another head injury. The offense and the pitching will be fine. The offense isn't going to be a juggernaut, but they will score enough to win on most nights, and the rotation of: Johan Pelfrey Perez Maine Garcia/Redding/Niese Will be outstanding. Johan will win the Cy Young this year. Mark it down and get behind this team now. And Mackowiak is a decent hitter to come off the bench in MLB, regardless of how bad his 2008 stats are. You know baseball is back when Jim whips out his orange and blue pom poms. Jim I do not know whether to laugh at this or cry...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 They still have to add a left in the pen. Feliciano is the only left specialist in the pen right now. After that the pen will be fine. They just increased their offer to Perez and I do believe he is coming back. He is only 27 and just got married so if he can get his act back together, he could be a solid #2 starter. Big Pelf is going to have a great year, mark it down. I wish I can be as positive as you on offense but this is the same offense that could not get Murphy on third to score. They need a bat, period. I would like Manny but the organization is pretty sure they aren't going to sign him. I would also be happy with Adam Dunn. He does strike out but has a lot of power. Well, the offense was without Church for much of the year (and even more without a HEALTHY Church). The also didn't have Murphy until late, either. I think the lineup last year had a lot of moments like the one you are describing (not getting home Murphy with no outs, THAT STILL PISSES ME OFF!), but I feel that the offense, and some players in particular (I'm looking at you, David Wright) were pressing late in games because they felt that the bullpen was such an issue. My hope is that now that they have Putz and K-Rod on the backend of close games, they will have the confidence to just go up there and hit, without all the added pressure. I really do believe that this offense will be a good one, especially if Church can put up 25+ homeruns and 90+ RBI's and I think he can. Also, if Duaner comes back stronger he reduces the need for another lefty because he was so good against lefty hitters pre-accident. I do agree that they should add another for the pen, though, and I think they will once they iron this starter thing out, which I think will happen by Tuesday night. Just have a feeling this thing with Ollie is about to get done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 If we trade for Jermaine Dye and re-sign Ollie I'll consider them legitimate enough to win the division. No way in hell we can go into the season with Murphy, Tatis, and Church as our OFs. Who's our 2b? We're not. We're going into the season with Murphy, BELTRAN and Church. A platoon of Murphy and Tatis is pretty good, if you ask me, as long as Murphy is as good as he advertised. And I don't know why people are down on Church because he had a rough go of it after Yunel Escobar bashed his head in. Church carried us the early part of 2008 offensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 You know baseball is back when Jim whips out his orange and blue pom poms. Jim I do not know whether to laugh at this or cry...... XXI, when you consider that the Mets missed the playoffs this past season by a hair with a rotation counting on Pedro Martinez and no depth after 1 through 5, a disaster of a bullpen even before a terrible Billy Wagner got hurt, a wounded Church for most of the year, and counting on Moises Alou in the first half.... Considering all that, we are in much, much better shape with the rotation and bullpen, and even the corner outfield spots if those guys can stay healthy. With Johan, Pelfrey, Ollie, Maine, and Garcia as a 1 through 5, then Redding and a guy with big upside in Jonathan Niese in reserve, I think that is solid depth in pitching. Also bigger roles for Stokes, Sean Green, and studs in Putz and K-Rod, and oh yeah, no Heilman and Schoenweis. Enjoy the season, guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 You know baseball is back when Jim whips out his orange and blue pom poms. Jim I do not know whether to laugh at this or cry...... There's a book I want you to read, xxi... Link to Amazon.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 There's a book I want you to read, xxi... Link to Amazon.com He and I have had enough of it. I'm not expecting anything this year from this team. They don't have a left fielder and their right fielder is highly suspect. You ever see Ryan Church hit a ball hard the other way? You never will because all he can do is pull the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxi-xxv Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share Posted January 26, 2009 I read it, but found one better suited for you Jims much needed Mets book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jranieli Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Murphy and Evans are not even outfielders anyway. They are both infielders. I would rather see them experiment with Murphy at second instead of the crippled fuck at second every day tripping over his shoelaces and barely hitting the ball past the pitchers mound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Murphy and Evans are not even outfielders anyway. They are both infielders. I would rather see them experiment with Murphy at second instead of the crippled fuck at second every day tripping over his shoelaces and barely hitting the ball past the pitchers mound. The Mets are a big market team that act like a small one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxi-xxv Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share Posted January 26, 2009 He and I have had enough of it. I'm not expecting anything this year from this team. They don't have a left fielder and their right fielder is highly suspect. You ever see Ryan Church hit a ball hard the other way? You never will because all he can do is pull the ball. GG You are smart enough to realize that Ryan Church is a 4th outfielder at best, certainly not a to be counted on corner run producer. Know why this is fact JIM? He is 30 and has NEVER been that, newsflash it happening because he has 2.5 good months here. He is a nice player thats it. Tatis? Please dear lord, nice bench player a real asset to a team. A starting Left fielder on a team that WANTS to make the playoffs? With Church at the other corner ummmmmm. NO. The Mets are in such a dire need for another outfield bat its not funny. I could live with Church and occasionally Tatis spelling him in RF, but if you think they together are enough to sustain 162 games .... well I am sorry if this is harsh and I do not mean to be you just are not looking at this objectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 GG You are smart enough to realize that Ryan Church is a 4th outfielder at best, certainly not a to be counted on corner run producer. Know why this is fact JIM? He is 30 and has NEVER been that, newsflash it happening because he has 2.5 good months here. He is a nice player thats it. Tatis? Please dear lord, nice bench player a real asset to a team. A starting Left fielder on a team that WANTS to make the playoffs? With Church at the other corner ummmmmm. NO. The Mets are in such a dire need for another outfield bat its not funny. I could live with Church and occasionally Tatis spelling him in RF, but if you think they together are enough to sustain 162 games .... well I am sorry if this is harsh and I do not mean to be you just are not looking at this objectively. I wouldn't go AS far as saying he's a 4th outfielder....he is what he is. A 30 year old dead pull hitter who plays decent defense and has a very good arm. Sounds like a white version of Endy Chavez with more pop. I like Tatis, just not as a starter, plus I just think he was playing for the Kurt Radomski "All Stars" and probably still is. But we signed Rob Mackovika....so it's all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxi-xxv Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share Posted January 26, 2009 I wouldn't go AS far as saying he's a 4th outfielder....he is what he is. A 30 year old dead pull hitter who plays decent defense and has a very good arm. Sounds like a white version of Endy Chavez with more pop. I like Tatis, just not as a starter, plus I just think he was playing for the Kurt Radomski "All Stars" and probably still is. But we signed Rob Mackovika....so it's all good. Maybe he is not a 4th outfielder, but I ask you. Of all the teams that made the playoffs last year is he more than a 4th ourfielder and does he start on any of those teams, let alone be counted on to be the major corner outfielder producer? Macowiak can do for an offense things we have never seen before, problems solved...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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