Lughead Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Posted Jun 1st 2007 6:00PM by Dan Benton Filed under: NY Giants, NFC East, New York How highly is second-round pick Steve Smith thought of by Giants brass? High enough that General Manager Jerry Reese has openly stated that Amani Toomer's job could possibly be in jeopardy. "Our second pick, Steve Smith, he has been catching punts for us in practice and looked pretty good doing it. But we think he can come in and fight for the number three spot right away and battle for the number two if he can grasp the offense quickly enough, which we think he will," Reese said. Talk about high praise for a player who has yet to play a single down in the NFL. I knew that Smith would be a great addition when the Giants drafted him, but I had no idea that his potential impact would be felt immediately. Perhaps I am counting chickens before they hatch, but I'd have to trust Jerry Reese on this one. So, what would that mean for Amani Toomer -- or even Sinorice Moss? If Smith was able to secure the number two spot it would obviously bump those two down. My gut feeling is that Toomer, being the team-first guy he is, would have no problem with it. Moss, on the other hand, might be a bit bummed. He was highly thought of coming out of college and if not for some injury problems, would likely be the talk of the town going into this years training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Let not place to much pressure on the kid already. Labling him as "Toomer's replacement" can cause more harm than good. He already has big shoes to fill with the comparison to Ike Hilliard and all(The greatest Giants WR of all-time) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Nem, i read what you said about Hilliard and no offense but you are so off base with that. And this kid could very well force his way onto the field. He's a very solid wide receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarence the Blue Puppet Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Let not place to much pressure on the kid already. Labling him as "Toomer's replacement" can cause more harm than good. He already has big shoes to fill with the comparison to Ike Hilliard and all(The greatest Giants WR of all-time) Chris Calloway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Chris Calloway? Brian Alford, stoopid imgrate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Brian Alford, stoopid imgrate. How the fuck can those guys compare with Thomas Lewis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarence the Blue Puppet Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 How the fuck can those guys compare with Thomas Lewis? or how about receivers that the Giants got rid of and went on to be great for other teams. Ed McCaffery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Nem, i read what you said about Hilliard and no offense but you are so off base with that. And this kid could very well force his way onto the field. He's a very solid wide receiver. Everyone keeps saying that..But he never played consistently to earned those praises. He had two solid game in his career and everyone thinks he's a warrior? Are you kidding me? Everyone says he fearless going over the middle.. Are we sure about that? Because the Ike that I remember sure did have a bad case alligator arms. Giants fan are an interesting creature, aren't they? Jeremy Shockey has been more productive than Ike Hillary in their first 5 years. He has been to more Pro-Bowls than Ike ever dreamed off. AND YET, Shockey is a bust and Ike Hillary is a warrior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarence the Blue Puppet Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Everyone keeps saying that..But he never played consistently to earned those praises. He had two solid game in his career and everyone thinks he's a warrior? Are you kidding me? Everyone says he fearless going over the middle.. Are we sure about that? Because the Ike that I remember sure did have a bad case alligator arms. Giants fan are an interesting creature, aren't they? Jeremy Shockey has been more productive than Ike Hillary in their first 5 years. He has been to more Pro-Bowls than Ike ever dreamed off. AND YET, Shockey is a bust and Ike Hillary is a warrior. Don't forget Hilliard was often injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Don't forget Hilliard was often injured. <_> That's my point..He was always hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Everyone keeps saying that..But he never played consistently to earned those praises. He had two solid game in his career and everyone thinks he's a warrior? Are you kidding me? Everyone says he fearless going over the middle.. Are we sure about that? Because the Ike that I remember sure did have a bad case alligator arms. Giants fan are an interesting creature, aren't they? Jeremy Shockey has been more productive than Ike Hillary in their first 5 years. He has been to more Pro-Bowls than Ike ever dreamed off. AND YET, Shockey is a bust and Ike Hillary is a warrior. Can you really be that dumb? Seriously, I'm not kidding. First off Ike had more than 2 solid games in his career, you should have watched the games. Ike having a bad case of alligator arms, THE MAN'S SEASON IN 2002 WAS CUT SHORT on a brutal illegal hit by Brian Dawkins. The ball was 10 feet over his head. Ike Hillard's Stats Jeremy Shockey and Ike Hillard played two different positions, and I sure as hell know Ike would have never laughed after dropping a touchdown pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 <_> That's my point..He was always hurt. Right and has Shockey played a full season yet? I rest my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarence the Blue Puppet Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 That's my point..He was always hurt. yeah I was just adding to your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Can you really be that dumb? Seriously, I'm not kidding. First off Ike had more than 2 solid games in his career, you should have watched the games. Ike having a bad case of alligator arms, THE MAN'S SEASON IN 2002 WAS CUT SHORT on a brutal illegal hit by Brian Dawkins. The ball was 10 feet over his head. Ike Hillard's Stats Jeremy Shockey and Ike Hillard played two different positions, and I sure as hell know Ike would have never laughed after dropping a touchdown pass. Yep...Veeeery solid numbers there. That's exactly the type of number i want from my 7th overall draft pick. How can anyone not be satisfied with a 8.9 yards per catch season? I retract my previous statement. Clearly I was wrong by calling him a bust. +----------+--------+-------------+----+ | WK OPP | RSHYD | REC YD | TD | +----------+--------+-------------+----+ | 1 phi | 0 | 3 59 | 0 | | 2 was | 0 | 4 37 | 0 | | 3 cle | 0 | 3 26 | 0 | | 4 gnb | 0 | 5 36 | 0 | | 5 dal | 0 | 2 31 | 0 | | 7 det | 0 | 5 42 | 0 | | 8 min | 5 | 2 8 | 0 | | 9 chi | 0 | 6 38 | 0 | | 10 ari | 12 | 1 8 | 0 | | 11 atl | 0 | 4 28 | 0 | | 12 phi | 17 | 0 0 | 0 | | 13 was | 0 | 3 13 | 0 | | 14 bal | 0 | 1 9 | 0 | | 15 pit | 0 | 3 34 | 0 | | 16 cin | 0 | 4 46 | 0 | | 17 dal | 0 | 3 22 | 0 | +----------+--------+-------------+----+ | TOTAL | 34 | 49 437 | 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 That's my point..He was always hurt. Dude he had his neck broke and then Brian Dawkins hit him with one of the cheapest shots ever in football. He was not always hurt but when he was Nem, he was really hurt. You''re exaggerating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Right and has Shockey played a full season yet? I rest my case. Um what case? Ike was hurt all the time and he's called a warrior. Shockey gets hurt too and he's more productive. However he's a bust? yep, that makes sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Yep...Veeeery solid numbers there. That's exactly the type of number i want from my 7th overall draft pick. How can anyone not be satisfied with a 8.9 yards per catch season? I retract my previous statement. Clearly I was wrong by calling him a bust. +----------+--------+-------------+----+ | WK OPP | RSHYD | REC YD | TD | +----------+--------+-------------+----+ | 1 phi | 0 | 3 59 | 0 | | 2 was | 0 | 4 37 | 0 | | 3 cle | 0 | 3 26 | 0 | | 4 gnb | 0 | 5 36 | 0 | | 5 dal | 0 | 2 31 | 0 | | 7 det | 0 | 5 42 | 0 | | 8 min | 5 | 2 8 | 0 | | 9 chi | 0 | 6 38 | 0 | | 10 ari | 12 | 1 8 | 0 | | 11 atl | 0 | 4 28 | 0 | | 12 phi | 17 | 0 0 | 0 | | 13 was | 0 | 3 13 | 0 | | 14 bal | 0 | 1 9 | 0 | | 15 pit | 0 | 3 34 | 0 | | 16 cin | 0 | 4 46 | 0 | | 17 dal | 0 | 3 22 | 0 | +----------+--------+-------------+----+ | TOTAL | 34 | 49 437 | 0 Good job picking his 2004 stats. What about his other ones? WHOOPS. Speaking of 7th overall wideouts, would you have rather had Reidel Anthony who is probably working in a Jiffy Lube in Florida, Yatil Green who is selling insurance or Rae Carruth? A man who was found guilty of hiring a hit man to murder his pregnant girlfriend at the time. You choose Nem, which one would you rather have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Everyone keeps saying that..But he never played consistently to earned those praises. He had two solid game in his career and everyone thinks he's a warrior? Are you kidding me? Everyone says he fearless going over the middle.. Are we sure about that? Because the Ike that I remember sure did have a bad case alligator arms. Giants fan are an interesting creature, aren't they? Jeremy Shockey has been more productive than Ike Hillary in their first 5 years. He has been to more Pro-Bowls than Ike ever dreamed off. AND YET, Shockey is a bust and Ike Hillary is a warrior. Who's saying Shockey is a bust? I'm not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Good job picking his 2004 stats. What about his other ones? WHOOPS. Speaking of 7th overall wideouts, would you have rather had Reidel Anthony who is probably working in a Jiffy Lube in Florida, Yatil Green who is selling insurance or Rae Carruth? A man who was found guilty of hiring a hit man to murder his pregnant girlfriend at the time. You choose Nem, which one would you rather have? I wanted Tony Gonzalez, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 I wanted Tony Gonzalez, why? Too bad he isn't one of the choices, can you even read? Right, and I'm so sure you knew who Tony Gonzalez was the year he was drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Good job picking his 2004 stats. What about his other ones? Sure +----------+--------+-------------+----+ | WK OPP | RSHYD | REC YD | TD | +----------+--------+-------------+----+ | 1 was | 0 | 2 50 | 0 | | 2 oak | 0 | 8 78 | 1 | | 3 dal | 0 | 5 61 | 0 | | 4 sdg | 0 | 5 71 | 0 | | 5 tam | 0 | 1 12 | 0 | | 6 atl | 0 | 4 35 | 0 | | 7 ari | 0 | 3 28 | 0 | | 9 was | 0 | 3 63 | 1 | | 10 dal | 0 | 1 16 | 0 | | 11 gnb | 0 | 3 48 | 0 | | 12 phi | 4 | 1 15 | 0 | | 13 sfo | 0 | 6 141 | 0 | | 14 ari | 0 | 1 3 | 0 | | 15 den | 0 | 4 41 | 0 | | 16 kan | 0 | 1 32 | 0 | | 17 phi | 0 | 2 18 | 0 | +----------+--------+-------------+----+ | TOTAL | 4 | 50 712 | 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Sure +----------+--------+-------------+----+ | WK OPP | RSHYD | REC YD | TD | +----------+--------+-------------+----+ | 1 was | 0 | 2 50 | 0 | | 2 oak | 0 | 8 78 | 1 | | 3 dal | 0 | 5 61 | 0 | | 4 sdg | 0 | 5 71 | 0 | | 5 tam | 0 | 1 12 | 0 | | 6 atl | 0 | 4 35 | 0 | | 7 ari | 0 | 3 28 | 0 | | 9 was | 0 | 3 63 | 1 | | 10 dal | 0 | 1 16 | 0 | | 11 gnb | 0 | 3 48 | 0 | | 12 phi | 4 | 1 15 | 0 | | 13 sfo | 0 | 6 141 | 0 | | 14 ari | 0 | 1 3 | 0 | | 15 den | 0 | 4 41 | 0 | | 16 kan | 0 | 1 32 | 0 | | 17 phi | 0 | 2 18 | 0 | +----------+--------+-------------+----+ | TOTAL | 4 | 50 712 | 2 So you expect a wide-receiver to catch a touchdown pass every single game? Shit, If I wanted to, I'd have a whole arsenal of Shockey stats to prove you wrong. Since I'm already proving you wrong, I'll wait a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Too bad he isn't one of the choices, can you even read? Right, and I'm so sure you knew who Tony Gonzalez was the year he was drafted. I did... Everyone knew who he was. My first choice was Walter Jones (Excuse me for a minute...FUCK YOU SEATTLE!!!) But then I wanted Tony Gonzalez. I also wanted the Giants to trade down to get Yatil Green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 2002 WK OPP | REC YD | TD | +----------+-------------+----+ | 1 sfo | 3 44 | 0 | | 2 stl | 4 50 | 1 | | 3 sea | 4 48 | 0 | | 4 ari | 4 56 | 0 | | 5 dal | 1 11 | 0 | | 8 phi | 6 69 | 0 | | 9 jax | 2 24 | 0 | | 10 min | 3 19 | 0 | | 11 was | 11 111 | 0 | | 12 hou | 4 60 | 0 | | 13 ten | 7 71 | 0 | | 14 was | 5 89 | 0 | | 15 dal | 3 28 | 0 | | 16 ind | 7 116 | 0 | | 17 phi | 10 98 | 1 | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 So you expect a wide-receiver to catch a touchdown pass every single game? Shit, If I wanted to, I'd have a whole arsenal of Shockey stats to prove you wrong. Since I'm already proving you wrong, I'll wait a little. Proving me wrong? LOL... yeah, you're doing an excellent job in proving Ike was not a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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