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I'm glad you read the article.

Becuase you know, the WR really was better when Plaxico wasn't a Giant.

Amazing. Sorry guys, but lets look back. http://www.nyg-fans.com/showthread.php?t=5...ght=joseph+camp http://www.nyg-fans.com/showthread.php?t=5...ght=joseph+camp http://www.nyg-fans.com/showthread.php?t=6...ght=joseph+camp

This coming from the guy who thinks the Giants will sign a QB to replace Eli Manning.

Hey idiot, he won the spot in camp. TC didn't hand it to him. The Fab 4 makes it seem like Joseph is the biggest, laziest bum ever who does whatever he wants and Giants management and coaching doesn't care because he's their #1 DT. Could you be more wrong Fab 4? Some speculated (I'm sure you did) Joseph would get cut after training camp. But ya know what? He proved the doubters wrong, worked hard, and won a starting spot.

A monkey has a moderate understanding of football....do you want him too? He can be your ringleader, he's pretty smart?

Arrington is actually very well spoken off the field and apparently did well at PSU. He just has brain farts on the field. Who said Arrington was a cancer in the clubhouse? If anything, I think people made him one because Synder didn't want him. He also RECOVERED from injury. Not really a huge question mark. Is Pierce a question mark too?

LOL. Okay, I won't mention that the Giants had a great offense this year and put a hell of a lot of points on the board.

This does bring up the issue of the way the NFL keeps stats. However, if they had a 3rd party come in, watch games, and measure stats, stuff like this could work.

If you're in position to make a tackle and fail to, hello missed tackle. Come on, you can't tell me you don't watch football and say "Wow, I can't believe he MISSED that tackle". Valid point, but wouldn't a CB with a high number be a shut down corner? Look at Will Allen against Santana Moss in week 16. Moss torched him. Yes, the safety help didn't exist, but Allen brought his F game that day. I also feel that kinda stuff could even out over 16 games. Agreed, but in a different way. Using SOME statistics to judge a player is gay (i.e. Player A had 6 INTs this year, he must be a great corner!) This is more a formula than a stat. Look at baseball, whoever expected a statistically breakdown of baseball like there is now? But that's my opinion. Forgot to add, all those have to be weighed differently. Tackles and INTs shouldn't equal the same thing.

It's amazing how people fail to watch the games.

So this came from a thread from the site in my sig. If anyone wants to see people's comments, PM me and i'll send you the link. Anywoo. Is there a sabermetric stat that can show the worth of a defensive player, in this case, corners and safties? I got to thinking that maybe there is. There has to be some formula to show that one player is better than another. People always rate guys, but how can you really say Player A is better than Player B? I came up with a rough outline of establishing the worth of a player. Some stats are easy to find, others would take hours and hours of research and game film watching to find. You'll Tackles + interceptions + forced fumbles + passes deflected ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Missed tackles + touchdowns scored against that specific player + 1 I suppose the players with the highest number are the better players, because they would have a smaller number in the denominator. I added the +1 because if a player had 0 missed tackles (unlikely) and didn't give up a TD, his number would be undefined (can't divide by 0) Let's really discuss this. Can it be done?

Didn't you say Jay Feely, William Joseph, and others would be cut last year too?

Is that the reason that Joseph won a starting job in training camp? Because he stinks? Get real moron. The Giants would fall hard if idiots like you were in charge. You do understand football has a salary camp, meaning you can't spend all the money you want on players?

I love how William Joseph haters think that every member of the Giants front office and coaching stuff just let him start this year, as if it were some gift to him. Hey morons, do you guys go to training camp or read the training camp reports? I shouldn't have to explain myself here but I feel like I'll have to later.

Lockhart is such an idiot.

BTW, I don't know if Slay will even get drafted. He's so unbelieveably slow.

I might if the price was right.

Arrington's career stats. 2000 Washington Redskins 16 55 44.0 11 4 0 0 0.0 0 0 4 2001 Washington Redskins 14 99 82.0 17 0.5 3 120 40.0 67 1 6 2002 Washington Redskins 16 92 67.0 25 11 0 0 0.0 0 0 8 2003 Washington Redskins 16 88 75.0 13 6 0 0 0.0 0 0 10 2004 Washington Redskins 4 15 11.0 4 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 2 2005 Washington Redskins 13 47 39.0 8 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 How exactly is he injury proned?

I think I'd rather become a suicide bomber than listen to you morons for my "breaking news". Here's some breaking news for you: -William Joseph will not be cut before, during, or after training camp. In fact, he'll start the entire year! -Eli Manning won't lose his starting job to anyone unless he goes down with an injury. Fact. -Shockey and Burress will have big seasons yet again after training in Miami. Get used to it! -The Fab 4 give a bad name to Giant fans everywhere!

What breaking news have you EVER brought here you stupid mother fucker? I swear to go, the Fab 4 is the biggest reason why I hate most of humanity. People like this are allowed to procreate and pass their genes onto their kids, who will be brainwashed by their stupid and ignorant parents.

I don't see it that way. Both the owners and NFLPA have to agree on the desicion to move FA, so I feel the talks are getting done. Apparently, a few owners stayed around this morning and talked in private. Maybe stuff is getting done

So post it again. If it gets deleted, PM it to me.

What if the best is Chad Jackson?

Explain to me the Vikings game. How come when Joseph went down, the Vikings patched together a long drive that resulted in the game winning field goal?