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this is sad, we are comparing an undrafted QB to a #1 draft pick and their stats look similar after the undrafted QB started 5 games while the #1 pick has had 2 years starting. In fact we made ANOTHER team Superbowl contenders by what we gave up for this guy...and their stats now look similar...

This asshole is 3-0 against us I think...

I like that dude from San Diego...whats his name? ... Turner? Any chance we can get him?

That was the key phrase in your argument and I completely agree.

Troll alert!

Well I can't blame jacobs...Caroline knew what was coming and they were ready. I still don't understand some of these playcalling...its like they are thinking too much and are outsmarting themselves. You ever do that...? On a test you get 4 answers and it is an easy question but you think its a trick question and just start thinking too much about it and then you pick the wrong answer when the most obvious answer is the right one....Huf seems to be that kind of a guy.

Thanks for the info but I have no doubt about Eli's arm strength...I guess I should have stated that. I think he has a nice arm strength but yet seems to underthrown those kinds of passes...it was just weird to see that. There have been several games where the receiver if the ball was thrown maybe 5 yards in front of him was gone for a touchdown...he almost seems to underthrow on purpose...it seems weird to me is all.

Maybe its just me but there were two plays that I want to analyze... That Plax 45 yarder down the sidelines... That should have been a touchdown no? If Eli led Plax instead of underthrowing him wouldn't that have been a TD 9 out of 10? That Carter pass which was a blatant pass interference but thats another story...again if Eli lead him instead of underthrowing him that would have been a TD, No? So the question is why is he underthrowing these passes? Is Eli not that accurate or was that a concious decision...I've seen him do this several times over these games where he underthrows these passes when these could've been sure touchdowns. It seems to happen MOSTLY on the long passes...what gives?

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6246654 New York Giants quarterback Eli Jones had a good day on Sunday, showing in his ninth career start why Giants coach Tom Coughlin has said he sees Jones as his quarterback of the future. Jones, the team's 2004 third-round draft pick, still needs some seasoning but is developing into a solid player. If a quarterback named Eli Jones had graduated from Ole Miss three years ago, we'd probably be reading something like that right about now. But since his name is Eli Manning, and he had Pro Bowl quarterback Archie Manning for a father and future Hall of Famer Peyton Manning for an older brother, we have never had a chance to discuss Eli Manning rationally. Let's try to do that now, acknowledging that he never should have been the first pick in the draft, but also that he does have talent and could become a very good NFL quarterback some day. Let's start with April 24, 2004, when Manning was so highly sought (and so financially secure) that he was in the virtually unprecedented position to demand that the San Diego Chargers, who owned the No. 1 overall pick, either pass on him or trade him. If a quarterback projected as a third-round pick had made such demands, teams would have laughed — and lowered him on their draft boards. The Chargers did take Manning first overall, but they traded him just an hour later to the Giants, who gave up a king's ransom of draft picks. But why was Manning so well regarded that the Chargers knew they could receive a trade package worthy of the first overall pick? Nothing Manning did at Ole Miss justified him going ahead of Ben Roethlisberger (who displayed a vastly superior passing arm during his time at Miami of Ohio), or Philip Rivers (who had more experience than Manning after starting an NCAA-record 51 games at North Carolina State and was more accurate, completing an ACC-record 72 percent of his passes during his senior year). Manning was the first overall pick because of his name. It defies credulity to suggest that a quarterback with Manning's credentials would have been the first overall pick, except that many scouts couldn't look past his pedigree and figured he was destined to follow in the footsteps of his father and brother. Once the Giants got Manning into camp, they initially made the wise move of putting him behind an accomplished veteran, Kurt Warner, on the depth chart. But after a few games in which Warner failed to escape the opposing pass rush, coach Tom Coughlin made the Giants' second big mistake: He benched Warner. Manning shouldn't have started as a rookie. Few rookie quarterbacks are ready to start in the NFL, and the ones who can start in their first year are either much more polished passers (like Peyton) or surrounded by much better teams (like Roethlisberger). Quarterbacks who don't fall into those two categories would be much better off following the Tony Romo path, spending time on the bench learning before they actually play in a live game. Once he got the starting job, it didn't take Manning long to show that he was not as good as Warner by any measure: Warner completed 62.8 percent of his passes in 2004; Manning completed 48.2 percent. Warner averaged 7.4 yards a pass; Manning averaged 5.3. Warner had six touchdowns and four interceptions; Manning had six touchdowns and nine interceptions. The Giants went 5-4 in the nine games Warner started; they went 1-6 in the seven games Manning started. Manning should have spent at least a full rookie season on the bench watching Warner, rather than starting ahead of him. Handing Manning the starting job sent him — and his teammates — the message that his status as a No. 1 overall pick was more important than Warner's status as the quarterback most likely to help the Giants win. If Manning had been the Giants' third-round pick, he would have had time to learn the pro game from the sidelines, the practice field and the film room while Warner played. He also would have taken up a small portion of his team's salary cap and that money would have gone to building other parts of the team. Instead, the NFL's rookie salary structure guaranteed Manning $20 million before he had proven himself. None of this is a criticism of Manning. It's not that he's a terrible player, it's just that he's an overpaid player who doesn't have the necessary skills to live up to the overly high expectations placed on him. He's not accurate enough, has only adequate arm strength, and isn't very athletic. Some have suggested that New York is a bad place for Manning because of the intense media glare in the Big Apple, but a quarterback in any NFL city would face media scrutiny when his team traded a boatload of draft picks for him. The problem isn't the size of the market he plays in, the problem is that he hasn't been worth what the Giants gave up to get him. Manning's career stats (a 54.2 percent completion rate, 49 touchdown passes, 41 interceptions and a passer rating of 73.4) are nothing special, and the truth is that he's not as good as his stats — with a supporting cast that includes running back Tiki Barber, wide receiver Plaxico Burress, tight end Jeremy Shockey, and, until he was injured a few weeks ago, left tackle Luke Petitgout, Manning has had much more support than other highly chosen quarterbacks like Joey Harrington, David Carr, Michael Vick and Alex Smith. So where does Manning go from here? Much has been made about whether he has the intangibles and leadership qualities to be a top-flight quarterback, but I suspect that there is something more fundamental missing from his game: his conditioning isn't good enough. For a pocket passer who doesn't do much running, Manning often looks exhausted at the end of games, and this is the second straight season that he's started the year strong but faded down the stretch. No one questions whether Manning works hard enough in the film room, but perhaps he needs to work harder in the weight room. Manning completed 24 of 36 passes for 270 yards with two touchdowns and no interceptions in the Giants' biggest game of the year on Sunday. If his name were Eli Jones, I'd be writing this week about one of the league's bright young quarterbacks. Eli Manning might get that praise one day. If he does, it will be unlike that big rookie contract: He'll have earned it.

Great article imo. ESPN link. Let's ponder the coaching aspect of the Giants' epic collapse. Jersey/A led 21-0 and had possession of the ball with 13 minutes remaining at Long Playing Field. Then Eli Manning threw an interception -- but why were the Giants throwing with a 21-point lead in the fourth quarter? Manning didn't decide on his own to throw, the coaches radioed that call directly into Eli's helmet. Leading by 21 points in the fourth quarter, do nothing but run up the middle for no gain for the rest of the game, and victory seems likely. Tennessee scores to make it 21-7; the Giants go three-and-out, throwing an incomplete pass to stop the clock. Tennessee scores to make it 21-14; the Giants punt with 3:13 remaining, after throwing an incomplete pass to stop the clock. Tennessee scores to make it 21-21; Jersey/A has the ball on its own 28 with 32 seconds remaining and throws another interception. From the point at which the Giants had a 21-0 lead and possession of the ball with 13 minutes remaining, Coughlin and his staff called seven passing plays -- which is seven too many. The result was both interceptions and incompletions that stopped the clock in a game Tennessee won with a field goal with six ticks left. Maybe when you're ahead 21-0 in the fourth quarter you shouldn't be tossing the ball into the air? The final interception was particularly bad coaching because at that point Tennessee had just rallied to tie, and momentum had shifted. All the emotion and crowd noise was on the Titans' side; the field position and clock situation dictated kneeling and going to overtime, with the ensuing intermission creating some space for Tennessee to cool off. Instead Jersey/A's coaches put the ball in the air, offering the Titans victory. Manning didn't make that call. The Giants were seriously outcoached -- and afterward, the coach blamed his players.

I wasn't talking about the blacks, its the rest of the fanbase which will have better access to watch the team. Like people from South and Central Jersey as well as Philly areas who can hop on a train to Newark Penn.

The Newark move is the real test for the Devils. If the Devils still don't draw fans now there are no excuses. I can understand Continental Airlines Arena being so far away but Newark should be no excuse with all the mass transportations around.

Wow of all the teams in the playoffs, Buffalo has really impressed me...they look unbelievable. Fast, tenacious, they are my sleeper pick to win the cup.

It says you never ever have beaten the Messier teams of the mid 90s, you know the ones with more playoff experience!...you only beat a young inexperienced Rangers team which ironically reminded me of the early 90s Devils teams prior to their successful cup runs. I give credit, Devils took full advantage of this Rangers squad...but I expected them to, but don't be all proud or anything...you were supposed to beat the Rangers...Rangers underachieved and from watching them all season and comparing the playoff games to the regular season team...this was not the same team that thrashed Ottawa 5-1 or destroyed Philly 6-2 or beat Buffalo or Carolina at their own game. Its a shame the Olympics had to happen otherwise who knows... Good luck in the playoffs but I hope you guys are swept.

and to follow a similar thought process... is equal to a virgin talking about sex! is equal to a Eagles fan talking about winning Super Bowls! is equal to a Muslim talking about peace! is equal to .... Please, free to contribute...

Yes sir, can't wait for the season to start....

Much different than playing a beat up tired Rangers team isn't it?

Its about having faith and belief. Sometimes thats all it takes. The law of averages says the breaks have to start going the Rangers' way and I believe that Game 4 is the start of it. Either win or lose, overall I see this season as a success and we have a bright future ahead of us. Lets go Rangers!

Talk about a team having no confidence. WTF happened? I am really interested in knowing what happened the last 3 weeks of the regular season when this mess began. This is not the same Ranger team that thrashed Ottawa 5-1 or beat Philly 6-1...either the opponents adjusted or something is screwy. Noone to screen Brodeur, no transition game, while the big guys on the opposing teams are screening Weekes and Lundqvist....this is so not Ranger hockey (when compared most of the regular season). And how can this asshole (Ozolinsh) be so fucking bad? Does he play defense at all?? I have never seen player make so many mistakes in how own zone...maybe he should be a forward instead of playing a defenseman.

We are both wrong...its 16 penalties...horrible, I would say its the worst game the Rangers played this season. Whats worse is losing Jagr... Or it might actually wake them up and they might come together as a team...

12 penalties against won't win many games.

Bozo is benched. Kasper is back and so is Hank Go Rangers

If we lose, it will all be your fault.

This is terrible, the injury bug is hitting us at the wrong time... . We are limping into the playoffs. One more win....Lets go Rangers....

I guess it pays to be a season ticket holder. They get thiers on the 12th...tomorrow! :brooding: