Cowboyz

Just an FYI......Riks the guy that can make it inactive.......

you don't say. imagine the coincidence of me saying that to him in that case.

if only there were an indicator of some sort informing posters' that he is, in fact, a moderator.

I think it's a fluke Cowboyz account is still active.

give it a while. it took a month to become 'active' maybe it takes a month to go inactive.

Whether you beat the 18-0 Patriots by just 1 point, or the lowly 0-16 Lions by 100 points, a win is a win and wins are what build a winning record (except for the Seahawks). You can beat every top team in the NFL, and lose to lesser teams and end up..........oh yeah.....like the Cowboys did.

puff out that chest and make it sound like your team did something last year.

6-10 or 10-6. we were in the same boat at year's end, were we not?

But you understand by virtue of being our rival, you calling it a "fluke" comes off more as sour grapes than anything else right?

how did it come off when storm said it? or when tyree said it was 'angels or god'?

the fact is, i wanted the gints to win. i cannot stand the smugness of the 2007 pats, and the only team i want to go undefeated is mine.

i read another good name for the tyree play.

the giant snatch, it fits perfectly: no one wants a giant snatch, but when it's near closing time, you take what you can get.

Every season for every team, good or bad ones, involve close games where the outcome can be swung in either direction by one or two plays. Inherently, some measure of 'luck', either good or bad, becomes a factor in outcomes. A team that wins a championship, however, has been great consistently enough to mitigate the influence of luck on the team. At some point, a team that is in a championship game has done enough good things consistently to have the fluke label discarded.

 

The Tyree catch came on 3rd down. Sure, 3rd and long. But the Giants would've gone for it on 4th and the outcome may have been the same. Plaxico still had to shake Hobbs, (I think it was Hobbs) and haul in that beautiful rainbow. But the game was still not over. Webster had to break up that long pass to Moss on the next series, which I think was one of the most athletic plays of the game by a single player, and often gets overlooked for it's importance. Alford still has to make the sack on Brady.

 

Brady scoffed at Plaxico's prediction saying the Pats would score only 17 points. Plax ended up giving the Pats too much credit. You can't say a Super Bowl winning team is a fluke... they went on the road and physically put a pounding on teams that were supposed to be superior to them. Then they literally stopped the highest scoring offense in NFL history in their tracks. The Giants deserved that Super Bowl win.

 

 

Back to the Cowboys, just as Super Bowl winning teams have been consistently great enough to shake a fluke label, Romo has been just as consistent in choking games away. All this talk about Witten, Bryant (a terrific WR, for sure), and Miles Austin... it doesn't matter if your QB can not out play the other team's guy. Here's Marcellus Bennett calling for Jon Kitna to start over Romo. JON KITNA! The Cowboys do have some championship pieces, but you can say that about most teams, year after year. They do not have a championship caliber QB, and that is the most important piece in deciding the fate of a team. And the second is defense. The Cowboys do not have a good defense. They have Ware and Ratliff. Bradie James is pretty good, too. Newman is aging and is probably best served as a nickel corner these days. Mike Jenkins is a knucklehead. He has some talent, but he's not an upper echelon corner. Ask the '09 Giants if you can win with a bad secondary.

 

As far as our MLB situation you have mentioned... I don't remember our MLB covering tight ends very often. Besides, in the game that you guys won against us last year, Witten had 1 catch for 7 yards. You should want Bryant and Austin to get the ball a lot more than Witten. More often that not, it's going to be one of our talented safeties though or Michael Boley who covers Witten. While Witten is a rare talent that can win most matchups with just about anybody, it's not like I'm scared of him dominating us, either. We have a good defense and a good coordinator that can scheme. We have talented corners, good safeties, and a spectacular pass rush. The Cowboys fall short in that comparison in every regard. The linebacker situation is unsettled. But in our defense, linebackers are much less critical than in your team's defense. We play a LOT of 4-2-5. Boley gets a lot of criticism on this board and elsewhere, but he's a very good coverage linebacker and he has not been the problem on this team the last couple of seasons. We could upgrade our MLB position, for sure, but we just drafted a guy who was extremely productive in the Big Ten, Greg Jones out of Michigan State. He may be the answer, maybe not. But this is not a make or break position in our defense. With the talent we have up front and in the secondary, we just need a guy there who's going to be good enough, we don't need a perennial pro bowler there.

 

It's kind of funny to me that a Cowboys' fan would come here and talk smack after recent seasons they've had, last year in particular. They've seemingly been the preseason favorite, paper champs every year, and then they go out and fail to meet expectations. Maybe it's time to stop crowing in the preseason, you think?

jim, no offense, but can we all get the crib notes next time?

about the fluke, refer to my post to fish above, and the rest of the 13 or so pages of debate. your points have been shared by your counterparts, and already commented on.

first, kitna is a good qb. he's no chump. he could start on half the teams in the league. not to mention he benefitted from better play from his teammates than romo had.

second, bennett isn't calling for him to start. he's saying there should be competition at the position.

third, he also says 'romo is awesome'

fourth, romo was clearly not the problem in the implosion.

i agree with bennett btw. why should any player feel like they've solidified their position before the season has started.

competition brings better play from everyone. maybe elisha would show some improvement if he had a little competition in tc. or a real qb coach for that matter.

we've discussed in another thread what kind of qb is required to win the big game. as it turns out it's not 'championship caliber'

more important is defense, good coaching, and taking care of the football.

granted, our defense was horrible last year. i'll chalk that up to wade and the team implosion.

a team doesn't just drop from 2nd ranked defense to 31st in a year, when the core players are the same.

wade lost the team in the offseason, imo.

with wade our defense gave up 209 points in our first six losses. without wade we gave 184 pts in the final 8 games vs much better teams.

your safeties did most of the te work. that's specifically because you don't have a decent mlb. that's also the reason you play a lot of 4-2-5.

that's also the reason peyton manning and aaron rodgers tore you a new ass.

fewell's schemes are not good. they're dated and do not work against the better qb's. wether or not he's a good coach is debateable.

greg jones huh? good luck with that.

the 'recent seasons' we've had are two playoff qualifiers in 4 years. same as the gints.

any fan who doesn't talk up his team in preseason, does not believe in said team. period.

please, summarize your next posts

when life gives you lemons......

i'm not surprised you guys don't like this thread. it's very telling of how good the gints actually were.

Or maybe Perry was getting used to a new D, new players, etc. It was his 1st yr with this squad. He did do a stellar job vs all the rest, losing records or not. And remember, its the NFL, any given Sun. The Seahawks took out the Saints, and we dusted SEA.

 

I see your point, and youre right, other than CHI, we stomped whats considered to be subpar competitoion, and struggled vs better offenses. But it was his first yr with our guys. Bet you see somethin different this yr.

 

And most of all, as Jim pointed out....TURNOVERS.

it's perry's defense. the players are the one's who have to 'get used to it'

his problem is he lacks the personnel. drafting amukamara will help (if he's as good as advertised).

but in this scheme a middle lb who can drop into coverage is essential. boley's ok, but not a fit here.

gints beat the teams they were supposed to beat, and failed (in giant fashion) vs heavier competition.

is that really something that deserves kudos from the fans?

 

 

A while ago I showed in great detail who offensive miscues and special teams blunders created a lot of points for the opposition. The defense was very good this year, despite point totals. It's why looking at broad stats doesn't always tell the story.

 

There were 2 games in particular where I thought our defense was bad, which I do put on Fewell more than the players. The Indianapolis game and the Green Bay game. It was bewildering to me why Fewell consistently gave a 8 yard cushion off the line of scrimmage to GB receivers and Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers was fishing in a barrel that game. So, I am not singing Fewell's praises right now, but most of the time, he did a great job scheming against teams. It's a game by game analysis with these guys. But to say that the defense was the problem last season is simply not true. There were just too many turnovers and too much erratic play from specials that told the story of the Giants missing the playoffs with a 10-6 record.

interesting. i just posted how you were outscored by more than 100 pts in 6 games, and you choose to focus on the 12 year thing.

12 years in the league is not a long time relatively speaking for a coach to be in the nfl.

your defense was horrible against good competition. i put the blame mostly on fewell.

youre focusing on the fact that you missed the playoffs by one game.

i'm focusing on the fact you only beat one good team last year. and no, it wasn't the cowboys.

you wouldn't have beaten the bears had you faced them later in the season.

your counterparts are focusing on the 'broad stats' not myself. i'm looking purely at win-loss and scoring defense.

is there a better way to judge a defense?

there is a pattern to games in which fewell successfully gameplanned

matt moore

cutler (with poor oline play and a new offense)

drew stanton

charlie whitehurst

garrard

mcnabb

schaub

tarvaris jackson

rex grossman

yea some of these guys are better than other, but none of them are among the best in the league. how did fewell do vs the better qb's?

manning, brees, brady, rodgers, among others can just sit back and pick your defense apart.

who do you think you're gonna face in the playoffs if you get that extra win?

what happened? you don't want to discuss this anymore boo?

And I think aside from the Patriots fans and some Dallas fans all of the world was rooting for us. I will never forget that day till the day I die... I honestly don't think Cowboyz thinks it's a fluke...

i'm sorry buddy, you're wrong. i def think that play was a fluke.

Question....was this a fluke?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVuQ5aw0HAQ&feature=related

ofcourse, the game was in hand. you think seahawk fans didn't feel lucky on that play?

Do you remember the first game between our teams in 2009, when a pass by Romo hit the back of Jason Witten's foot, and bounced right into the hands of Phillips? (I know you do, I still curse some of the plays Jim Jeffcoat made.) THAT was a fluke play--there was no skill involved, just being in the right place at the right time. In Nick's rookie season, he had a touchdown by catching in stride a pass that was defensed and knocked about 20 yards down field. That was a fluke.

 

I simply don't consider those and the play you described in the same category as the Superbowl play; or for that matter, the Brandon Lloyd catch I posted.

can we just stop with all the comparison plays? is this a fluke, is that a fluke?

we're talking about one play, and 50 other plays have been thrown at me as examples.

the inherent problem here is it's all a matter of opinion. there is no litmus test for what is and what is not a fluke.

my opinion is a popular one. google 'tyree catch fluke', and you'll get 295,000 hits.

your opinion is not as popular, as it's mainly held by giants fans.

i'm sure you think i'm being biased as a boyz fan, but then again your all biased as gint fans as well.

coincidentally, my opinion is the same as the two players involved.

harrison "Not in a million years does he makes that catch again."

tyree "There's no reasonable explanation," Tyree said. "God? Angels? I'm just happy to be a part of history."

btw neither here nor there, but have you heard tyree say he'd trade the catch to stop gay marriage?

I got the joke.

 

I was hoping you already knew that, sport.

 

Not really a contradiction--how many teams have the defense the 2000 Ravens had?

 

Pisarcik's welcome to the bench--just make sure they get my name right on the check.

ofcourse its a contradiction. you said it can't be done, and it has been done.

more than once.

the lowly, romo-less, 6-10 cowboys beat more teams with winning records than the 10-6 gints.

Cowboyz, you can still leave.

i know i can boo

my brother is a Cowboys fan, not sure how when he was born in raised in White Plains, NY. I guess he liked Danny White, when he was little

haha so did i. not sure why now.

Yo cowboyz... see this guy DuhMauriceSmith? He's like our Mel Kiper except with actual knowledge.

yea i've noticed. he's a good poster.

Yeah your right, there was tons of offense on both sides. Taylor Martinez had a monster game, and nobody considers him a NFL QB. I do think Blackmon is a stud wideout, it will be between him and Alshon Jeffrey has the top wideouts next year. Michael Floyd, is also there. Fuller and Broyles should be first round guys as well.

broyles i'm sure will go in rnd 1 or 2 but i'm not high on wr's from ou. they're usually lacking in a pro offense.

the only one i can think of that's had recent success is clayton for the rams, and it took him a while to get up to speed.

haha i guess this settles it.

why not start another one about your neil o'donnell theory?

If the Patriots had won that game, they'd be known as the greatest team in NFL history.

 

They weren't only beating teams, they were humiliating them.

 

But the Giants beat them.....that's no fluke.

true

true

partially true

i don't know if he left or what. i just noticed his name has been changed, and it says 'bye' in his signature.

and i haven't seen him since the bigblue incident.

Yea.. let's hope when you finally win it, it will be as sweet as it was for the Red Sox ... for now us Giants fans will enjoy winning it once a decade and going to the SB twice a decade

you skipped a decade there.

you had a 17 year drought yourself didn't you? how sweet was that?

That's just it--I don't consider it an act of divine intervention, dumb luck, or whatever you want to call it. For that moment, Brandon Lloyd was the best player on the field: if for no other reason, his effort was exceptional. Long term would I trade Hakeem Nicks for Brandon Lloyd? Hell no. But I give credit where credit is due: on that day, in that circumstance, I would rather have played against Randy Moss than Brandon Lloyd.

 

That's what I feel when I think of SB42. On that day, I would take Eli and Tyree over any other players you care to mention. THAT'S what gets lost when the play is dismissed as a fluke. And as far as I'm concerned, you lose some appreciation of the game if you allow yourself to think like that.

Lloyd's play is not comparable to the double miracle. It's just not. We both know that.

I'm glad you feel that way about, considering it's your team and all. but many feel just the opposite, including some who have a deep appreciation for the game. thinking it's a fluke, doesn't mean you can't believe it's a great play. the nfl is riddled with fluke plays. they happen all the time, and calling them what they are diminishes nothing.

i've seen romo fumble a snap, then it bounced back up into his hands, and he threw for a completion. it's a fluke. does it mean romo's not a good qb or that that play was not enjoyed by all? no.

does it mean i lost appreciation for football because i recognize it as a fluke? hell no.

I'd expect the commentator to be truthful, and accurate. For the record, I like Aikman as a color guy, I think he does a great job. And he called it correctly - it was a great catch. At no point in the telecast did "fluke" enter his vocabulary.

aikman's a classy guy and wouldn't call it that even if he was thinking it and miming it to joe.

yes great catch and a fluke play.

Bro.. it has been that long.. are you kidding me.... shit last time the cowboys won.. I wasn't even in college yet... shit I was still rocking size 34 jeans on my 90 lb frame

haha, yeah i guess 15 years is a long time at your age. at my age it's a flash. but it's not like i'm not ready for another sb title. 1 year or 15 is too long to wait.

but the longer you wait, the sweeter the victory right?