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He has been on the DL prior to your post...so no.

 

I am going to tomorrows day game though so I hope the Yanks didn't blow their wad scoring 24 runs already. I can't believe they gave up a HR to Ramiro Pena.

i don't want to talk about it.

i think a decline in indy is on the way, but they're still a contender as long as peyt has two feet to stand on.

the bucs and chargers also should be well above stl in any consideration

other than that, not a bad prediction

No gints, and hmmm no apologies to the gints.

granted idk how the hell stl belongs here.

i'll replace stl with tampa or indy.

Super Bowl XLV is ancient history, and odds makers are already looking ahead to the next Super Bowl in 2012 (or whenever the next football season is held).

So who do we think has the best shot to hoist the Lombardi Trophy next?

1.Green Bay Packers - The defending champions should only be better next year when their starting running back, tight end, right tackle, and linebacker return to the lineup. Green Bay was dominant down the stretch this year, but we ain't seen nothing yet.

2.New England Patriots - Tom Brady and the Patriots were shocked by the New York Jets in the Divisional Round of the playoffs, but the league's MVP will lead the Patriots back to the playoffs next year. New England's young defense only got better as the year went on, and armed with three draft picks in the top 33, the Patriots should be able to shore up problem areas.

3.Pittsburgh Steelers - If not for a couple uncharacteristic Ben Roethlisberger interceptions, the Steelers might be celebrating their third Super Bowl title in six years. The pillars of their franchise aren't going anywhere, so Pittsburgh will be a threat again.

4.New York Jets - New York expended all its energy in upending the Patriots, but it's clear that Rex Ryan's squad will be a contender for years to come. The Jets have some difficult personnel decisions to make, but Mark Sanchez is on the path to stardom. The loud-mouthed Jets won't be able to play the "world is against us" card again next year.

5.Baltimore Ravens - Baltimore was unable to beat its main adversary in the playoffs, but the rest of the 2010 season must be considered a major success. The defense was strong as always, and the Ravens, though inconsistent, have plenty of talent on offense.

6.Dallas Cowboys - Nothing went right for Dallas in 2010, but there still might not be a more talented team in the league than the Cowboys. Without the pressure of a Super Bowl in their stadium, and with a competent coach in place, Dallas might be able to get its act together and be the surprise team of 2011.

7.Philadelphia Eagles - After relinquishing Donovan McNabb, no one expected much out of the Eagles last season. Of course, no one knew that Michael Vick would snatch the starting quarterback job and play at an MVP level. Philadelphia has plenty of speed on offense, and with a few upgrades on the other side of the ball, Philly will be tough to beat.

8.New Orleans Saints - The Saints were upset by the Seattle Seahawks in the first round of the playoffs, but during the second half of the regular season there wasn't a better team in football than New Orleans. Injuries killed the Saints in 2010, but a return to health and a renewed hunger next season should have New Orleans in the title mix.

9.Atlanta Falcons - Atlanta was crushed in the Divisional Round by the eventual Super Bowl Champions, but they were the most fundamentally sound team in football in 2010. Nothing about the Falcons is sexy, but they have plenty of good, young players, and should only get better.

10.St. Louis Rams - The Rams almost won the pitiful NFC West in 2010, and with the additions of a few veteran receivers, of which there will be plenty available, the Rams are ready to take the next step. Another year of maturity for Sam Bradford will only help, and the defense could join the ranks of the NFL's elite.

Apologies to: Indianapolis, San Diego, and Chicago My link

With this theory, Elis closer to Peyton than you think. He made the playoffs 4 straight seasons starting with his 2nd year, winning it in his 3rd. How long did it take Peyton tho get his 1st win, let alone even make the playoffs?

haha

do you really want me respond here? do you remember the colts before manning?

 

Why? Maybe he wants to prove that he can handle the big city havoc now.

why would he want to put that pressure on himself?

he's better off completely changing his lifestyle, new friends, new habits.

he needs to worry bout proving he can still run and catch, not still goto the club without a firearm.

What are you talking about!? We shored up our 2nd best position (next to the dline) while ignoring our aging offensive line, inconsistent linebackers, and inconsistent running backs! Hell, I'm surprised we didn't draft another wide receiver in the first 3 rounds! Oh wait....we did.

 

Sorry, I'm still bitter we didn't shore up our real weaknesses.

wait, isn't it stupid to discuss this when there hasn't been fa, and there's not going to be a season?

imo gints prob last year was scheme.

your defense worked against lesser qb's and failed miserably vs colts, packers, eagles, even kitna was able to shred it

fewell is not aggressive

It's not that I'm not defending Eli, but Rothlisberger anywhere on this list is stupid. Pure Stupid. He has won 2 superbowls and he's a huge reason why the Steelers are where they are, and has years to supplant Bradshaw as QB God in Pittsburgh. McMahon is a good pick, he did nothing except worthwhile before and after the superbowl.

 

Based on the logic used here, why isn't Kurt Warner on the list?

he's got the worst performance of a qb in winning a superbowl. his other win wasn't impressive either. they do say he has time to get off the list.

i did wonder why mcmahon wasn't on the list

emanuel sanders had a helmet catch in the playoffs this season too. it's not that rare for a WR to trap a ball against a body part

antonio brown actually. funny when he did it, they called it 'some david tyree action'. the rapist didn't have any pressure on that play, and brown was free and clear from any defender. yes wr trap the balls all the time, but we all know that's not what made the sb play a historic one.

Dude. He's reiterating what I have said like 12 times to you. You're fucking brain dead.

not hardly. he and i aren't debating a definition.

plus he left his emotions at the door, unlike yourself.

I've seen him make catches in games that were crucial to the outcome. Nobody is ever going to mistake him for Jerry Rice, but he was outstanding for what he was primarily drafted to do (specials), and was a pleasant surprise as a wide receiver. Frankly, neither Jeff Feagles or our special teams have really been the same without him.

 

You're throwing a lot of "ifs" my way. If Manning gets sacked, who's to say he doesn't throw a first down to Smith, or a bomb to Burress? Or that the Pats D gets so overconfident they forget to watch for Bradshaw, and he breaks free? Every play has a ton of "ifs." How many 1 yard runs have you seen that are one missed assignment away from a TD?

 

I'm not taking offense, btw. Just pointing out why you are getting hit with hostility. Four years of whiney Pats fans, and NFC East fans trying to belittle the accomplishment will do that to ya.

I"ve seen many wr's with bad hands make good catches. doesn't mean the hands are good. i gave him credit for specials, but if he had any game at wr, he'd prob be playing ball. i understand he's a hometown hero, but 54 catches in 80+ games was a pleasant surprise? 4 career TD catches? again that's 6 years and 80+ games.

or who's to say he doesn't throw it to the turf or to a pat? 35% 4th down conversion. 50% in the post, but that's simply thanks to the half yard stumble by the behemoth.

It comes down to the fluke play. it goes your way, you win. It goes the pats way, most likely they win. every football fan knows that 4th and anythig on your side of the 50 with a minute left is not a favorable scenario. wouldn't you agree that a one yard run that breaks for a long TD is less likely than a sack,int, incompletion, time running out, etc. the longest run of the day being 13 yards and all.

good. the hostility is no problem. it's not the conversation that's bringing it out, it's the emotions of those involved in the converstation. notice there's no hostility from most here, such as yourself, Duhmaurice, and others.

the hats are because romo is a fop

there i said it. let me forget it.

Sweet! I can finally look forward to that week 17 ass kickin we're gonna administer on the cowtards.

just like week ten last year right. we'll start kitna just for you bigblue

I think you're underestimating Tyree a bit--he never had trouble with his hands, his problem was getting open. But he did have a knack for clutch catches, as evidenced by his earlier touchdown in that same game as well as others.

 

I think the big problem is the "scope" of the fluke/miracle. That play definitely was miraculous, simply because of the outstanding play of both Manning and Tyree in that moment. The problem is when the whole GAME is suddenly a fluke because of that one play. There was still time on the clock, plays to be made even if that was an incompletion. Calling the entire game a fluke disregards the other 59+ minutes of the game that CLEARLY showed that the Giants had every right to be on the same field as those Patriots.

 

 

good post. this is why i came here.

tyree i can't honestly say i know much about him. reason being, he was never more than a backup wr, but excellent special teamer. i've read a number of articles that suggest he has bad hands. including the stories about his final training camps with the gints/ravens and his bucs tryout, where injuries and dropped passes were his downfall. i think there's a blurb about his practice before the sb, where he dropped so many, that when he finally caught one, he got a standing 'o' from his team.

ofcourse, even wr's with bad hands, if that is indeed the case with tyree, can catch a football. I'm not sure the 5 yard td pass counts as clutch. it was a great throw, and it was poor defense, but the catch was nothing special.

looking at it now. he caught it against his body, which is bad technique. but yea td nevertheless.

just a look at his career stats, and yea the guy is forgettable without that double miracle play.

the thing is, if that ball falls to the turf, it's fourth and 5 on your side of the 40 with 1 min left. if manning gets sacked, it's 4th and 10+ on your side of the forty with less than a minute left. if manning floats the ball for one more half second, 3 more pats would've been in tyree's face. that was just a critical point in the game. if things didn't go your way there wasn't enough time for another chance.

i'm not disregarding the rest of the game. the game came down to this.

your team certainly outplayed the pats. i've given as much credit as i can stomach to your defense

Hearing that crap from other teams fans gets tired.

no offense, but you're reading this crap. that takes effort unlike listening to this crap. an easy solution would be to ignore it

he should be in the hof for the suzy kolber incident alone

true, def a hof moment

Holy shit dude, I didn't even get past the first sentence. Quit putting words in my mouth. I didn't claim that you were were crying. But you ARE acting all butt hurt. You seriously need to chill the fuck out.

 

1. And, yet again, since I've already told you this: 1. A lucky or improbable occurrence, with the implication that the occurrence could not be repeated. "The first goal was just a fluke."

And no, that's not in my words, but I couldn't have said it better myself. Like I said, put those two teams on the field again, 4 years ago, and the Giants win without a miraculous throw and catch. But a "fluke", by it's very definition, always implies negativity. Especially if you're diminishing a Super Bowl victory and then whining when Giants fans let you hear it.

2. I was the one who called that play a miracle. You're still stuck on your incorrect definition of fluke.

3. Here you are talking about "emotional" Giants fans and then bitching about being called a dumbass. Uh oh.

4. Why are we making number lists?

5. Oh, opinions are often supported by facts. Because, YOU KNOW, for a FACT, that Eli and the Giants wouldn't have hit 4th and 5 had the pass fallen incomplete.

 

 

Go home, child.

damn youre bout as smart as a bag of rocks arent you boy

you can say i'm hurt, butt hurt, cryin, depressed, agitated, angry, whatever, assumptions from a guy preaching about facts.

if my definition was incorrect, there must be a conspiracy amongst online dictionaries.

this is from dictionary.com

fluke   

[flook] Show IPA

–noun

1.

an accidental advantage; stroke of good luck: He got the job by a fluke.

2.

an accident or chance happening.

3.

an accidentally successful stroke, as in billiards.

i don't see your little 'implication' tag line on that.

Merriam webster:

1

: an accidentally successful stroke at billiards or pool

2

: a stroke of luck <the discovery was a fluke>

again, no 'negative implication' there hoss.

Now, let's talk about your definition. the implication that it cannot be repeated. how long til you think that one play gets repeated? by any other nfl team, much less yours. it won't be. so even tho i disagree with that definition, it is fitting when discussing that play. but again, that's your definition. not mine, or dictionary.com's or merriam webster's.

this is second time i've heard this accusation that i'm diminishing your superbowl. how ridiculous. so just by stating my opinions i have diminished the superbowl for you? really? you feel like it's less of an accomplshment because of my words?

whining? you've got me pegged man. whining, dumbass, stupid, butthurt, redneck. yeah i'm not puttin words in your mouth, i am a redneck.

give me some more names with 'negative conotations'. give me your best. i don't get my feelings 'diminished' online.

yep you called it a miracle. then you claimed the word miracle had nothing to do with god. i guess you have a special definition for that word as well.

i'm fine with using miracle to describe that play. i've already said this right? however, you are implying the play wouldn't have been possible without a divine intervention. you do understand what that means?

wrong. you made the claim you didn't call me stupid, i corrected you. there was no bitching involved. just a statement of fact.

call me stupid,etc ad nauseum. i got the tough skin son.

i know why i made a list. i don't know why 'we' made a list.

opinions are like assholes and you know how that goes. i can say mayonaisse tastes like shit. to me that's a fact. to you, who knows.

i don't know if the 4th and 5 would've been converted (and never made claim i did), and neither do you for that matter. thanks to the 'fluke play' we'll never know.

but like you said, facts can support opinions. supporting my opinion is the fact the gints only converted 35% of the 4th down attempts in 07.

and knowing coughlin, the majority of those attempts were well under 5 yards. doesn't look good for the 4th and 5.

go home? it's the internet. i am home.

He redefined the game, that's why he's in. Sometimes the hall of fame is about influence, more then stats.

that's right. before joe all the qb's threw the majority of their passes to their teammates.

strategery

I have no idea why people think Joe Namath was so good. Okay, he had a quick release....and has 220 interceptions with 173 touchdowns.

 

Belongs in the hall of well....the hall of nothing.

yea i never realized he stunk it up that bad. i guess one superbowl and you can live like a celebrity in ny for the rest of your life.

and sorry let me clarify.

i'm not saying all u fans are cryin. those who have been know who they are.

truth is most of you guys are really cool

I also didn't call you stupid. But fluke as I've said, has a definite negative connotation. Since this stems from you acting hurt because you didn't get a warm reception, well, that's because you come in hear tossing the word "fluke" around then act like Giant's fans are the one's being sensitive because they present you with the facts of that game while you diminish the win as pure and accidental luck. The Patriots were outplayed and the score and statistics (and anyone actually watching the game) can tell you that. Put the two teams against each other again and I would put money on the Giants every time. They should have knocked the Patriots off in the final game of the season, too.

that's quite the imagination you have there. did you see me crying all the way from jersey?

fluke does not always have a negative connotation. it often has a positive one.

how can an 'accidental stroke of good luck' always have a negative connotation?

if anyone's acting hurt around here, it's all the gints fans crying about

1. my username

2. my thread title

3. the hotdog/badegg conspiracy

4. the "double miracle" was not a miracle at all, but happened just as gilbride drew it up in practice.

5. the reason i came to this messageboard

6. the eli/dilfer conspiracy

jeez u guys ever take a hard look?

yea claiming i don't the definition to a simple word is calling me stupid. calling me a dumbass is calling me stupid.

all on the basis of differing opinions. isn't THAT stupid? ha

I don't think it's fair to put hostetler on there just cause he was more/less a backup. he's numbers aren't bad enough

elisha and dilfer together again. conspiracy?

yes it's a couple years old, and no, it's not my creation

just thought it would make a good discussion starter

10. Terry Bradshaw

Terry Bradshaw was the hardest guy to put on this list. Anyone who has four Super Bowl rings and two MVPs doesn't usually belong in a "Top 10 Worst Quarterbacks" list.

But Bradshaw threw 212 touchdown, 210 interceptions, and had a measly 70.9 rating—not very good at all. He posted one of the worst seasons ever by a QB in 1970, with six touchdowns and 24 interceptions in 13 games.

Would Bradshaw have gotten as far as he did if the Steel Curtain hadn't been his defense?

9. Ben Rapelisthberger

Big Ben is consistently average in the regular season and the post season, except in the fourth quarter when the game counts. Ben only makes the list because he had the worst performance ever for a QB on team which won the Super Bowl.

He had 123 yards and 2 interceptions in Super Bowl XL, for a QB rating of 22.6. In two Super Bowls he has a total of 349 yards, one touchdown, and three interceptions. That averages out to 174 yards, .5 touchdowns, and 1.5 interceptions. That's not very good, but he seems to find ways to win.

He also has a newer version of "The Steel Curtian" on the other side of the ball, which will now be recognized as one of the top five defenses of all time. Ben has many more years to play, and a great chance to easily come off this list and join the "10 Greatest QB's to Win a Super Bowl" list.

8. Eli Manning

Before the Giants' defense decided to play like they were from another world last year, many people in New York and all over the world were calling for Eli's head.

This was his best year yet, stats wise. He went for 21 touchdowns, 10 interceptions, and the G-Men posted 12 wins. They were favorites in the NFC, but Eli showed his true colors against the Eagles at home.

However, Eli's stats have gotten better every year since he has been in the league and, like Big Ben, he has a great chance of making the "10 Best" list before he retires.

7. Ken Stabler

Ken played 15 seasons in the NFL. In those 15 seasons he only threw more touchdowns than interceptions five times. He had 194 touchdowns and 222 interceptions in his career for a QB rating of 75.3.

In his only Super Bowl win he was 12-19 for 180 yards, one touchdown, and one interception.

6. Doug Williams

When Doug Williams won the MVP in Super Bowl 22 he posted amazing numbers—he had a record 340 yards and 4 touchdowns.

The Skins, as a team, set many records on offense including the most offensive yards, most rushing yards, and the most offensive touchdowns in a Super Bowl.

So how is Doug Williams on this list? In his career Doug Williams had only 100 touchdowns and 93 interceptions, with a QB rating of 69.4. That is the 3rd lowest career QB rating of any QB who has won a Super Bowl.

5. Jim Plunkett

Jim Plunkett won Super Bowls 15 and 18, and was the MVP of Super Bowl 15, he threw 13-21, had 261 yards, and three touchdowns. In Super Bowl 18 he threw 16-25, had 172 yards, and one touchdown.

In both of his Super Bowl wins Plunkett was out performed by the opposing QB (Jaws, and Thiesman). By the numbers that Plunkett put up over his career, I' m shocked he even had a chance in the playoffs.

In his entire career Plunkett threw 164 touchdowns, 198 interceptions, and had the second lowest QB rating of any QB to win a Super Bowl—67.5. In 12 of his 16 seasons Plunkett threw more interceptions than touchdowns.

4. Jeff Hostetler

Hostetler was a third round draft pick in 1984, picked to back up Phil Simms. And that's exactly what he did until, probably the best day of his life, December, 15 1990.

Simms broke his foot that day and Hoss came in and "Managed Games" while the New York Giants defense led him to the Super Bowl against the Buffalo Bills.

In that game Hostetler went 20-32, threw 222 yards, and had 1 touchdown. He definitely owes Scott Norwood a nice steak dinner.

Hoss had some bad luck when it came to injuries in 1991, he actually broke his back, only to return the next year to back Simms up again. A couple years later he was elected to his only Pro Bowl.

In his career he threw 94 touchdowns, 71 interceptions, and had a QB rating of 80.5—not bad for a backup. That's why he is where he is. He only started 16 games in a season once in his 15 years in the league.

3. Brad Johnson

Brad Johnson has played 17 years in the NFL as a great "Game Manager". His only Super Bowl appearance came in Super Bowl 37, when the great defense of the Bucs would match up against the great offense of the Raiders.

Johnson completed 18 of 34 passes for 215 yards, with two touchdowns and one interception. The Bucs defense, however, was definitely the reason Brad has a ring. The defense scored 21 of Tampa's 48 points—matching the three touchdowns the offense scored.

Brad has put up solid numbers throughout his career, but nothing eye popping, 166 touchdowns and 122 interceptions. That's only an average of nine touchdowns per year in his 17 years.

2. Trent Dilfer

Most people who aren't big football fans probably can't even answer the question, "who was the ravens QB when they won the super bowl?"

Dilfer is who everybody who is now know as "game mamagers" is compared to. He was similar to Kerry Collins on the Titans this year.

In his only Super Bowl appearance, all he had to do was not lose the game for the Ravens defense. The defense posted maybe the greatest numbers by a team in Super Bowl history.

They joined the Dolphins from Super Bowl VII and the Steelers from Super Bowl IX, as the only three teams not to allow the opposing offense to score a point (the giants had a special teams touchdown).

Baltimores defense, led by Ray Lewis, allowed the Giants to gain only 152 yards. Lewis had 4 sacks and posted 5 turnovers. I

In that game, Dilfer completed 12-26 passes for 153 yards and one touchdown. After the season he became the only QB to win a Super Bowl and be cut by his team directly afterwords.

In his career he threw 113 touchdowns, 129 interceptions, and had a QB rating of 70.2.

1. Joe Namath

Broadway Joe may be more known for the original guarantee and off the field antics than for his less then stellar on the field contributions.

His career numbers are absolutely awful and his Super Bowl MVP numbers are not much better. In his career Joe had only 173 touchdowns and tossed 220 interceptions.

He also has the worst career QB rating by a Super Bowl QB ever, at 65.5. That's not even game manager style, that is horrid. How they beat the Colts is completely beyond me.

In the big game Joe completed 17 of 28 passes for 206 yards and no touchdowns or interceptions. If not for the guarantee he would never be recognized as a great QB.

Based on his numbers he should not be in the Hall of Fame either. If he really should be in the Hall of Fame, then almost every QB on this list should be a shoe in first ballot Hall member.

He only had two seasons with more touchdowns then interceptions.

Definitely...now that I look more closely Mrs. Eli has a little more jut to her bumper...still could use a little more though....

yeah that's what sold me on her body, but like virginia, there's something about her face that bugs me.

Seems painful dude.

nah he's prbly got some kind of robo dick by now

old fart