flyinryan

Hey HOUND long time no see. How have you been? Interesting topic you got here. By the way, I still remember your priceless quote from the story you posted on the Giants Message Board. "If bathrooms could press charges this one would have a great case against me".

http://www.giants.com/news/eisen/story.asp?story_id=14656 March 14, 2006 EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. – The Giants today began the promised upgrade of their secondary while also bolstering their special teams when they signed cornerbacks Sam Madison, R.W. McQuarters and Jason Bell, plus safety Quentin Harris. Harris, 6-1 and 214 pounds, has played in 54 career games with six starts. He has one interception, eight passes defensed, three fumble recoveries, two forced fumbles and 54 special teams tackles. In 2005, Harris played in all 16 games for the third season in a row for the Cardinals. He had 21 tackles (16 solo), three passes defensed and a team-high 24 special teams tackles, including four in the season opener against the Giants. The addition of Quentin Harris immediately improves the Giants safety situation. Harris, a former standout at Syracuse, was signed by Arizona as an undrafted free agent on April 22, 2002. He was released on Sept. 1, signed to the practice squad two days later and added to the active roster on Nov. 14. Harris played in six games as a rookie. Harris made his first NFL start at safety vs. Carolina on Dec. 14, 2003. The following year he started four games. Harris recorded his first career interception at St. Louis on Sept. 12, 2004, when he also had four tackles, a forced fumble and a fumble recovery. At Syracuse, Harris started 39 of 42 regular season games and finished his career with 327 tackles (183 solo), 10 interceptions, four forced fumbles and four fumble recoveries. Harris was an All-Pennsylvania selection as a junior at Elmer L. Myers High School, where he scored 35 touchdowns and had 1523 receiving yards and 12 interceptions. He is married (Tara) and has a daughter (Aliya). Harris was born on Jan. 26, 1977.

Eli is the QB of the future and he already just had his first full season as a starter, why mess things up? Eli took a big step forward this year, even if you and the fag 4 are too blind to see it. When he puts up Pro Bowl numbers this year we'll see what you guys will say.

Yeah, and while he's learning the Giants are paying big money to a back-up and sitting him would take away from valuable game experience a QB and any other player needs to get better. Eli wouldn't be better of sitting for a year or two. You want McNair so bad, get him in Madden.

You guys amaze me. How would getting McNair and starting him over Eli a "Win/win all around"? How can Eli "be better off a year or two down the road as a result" by sitting for that long? He can learn sitting, but regardless he NEEDS more playing experience. You can only learn so much by sitting. You need to get a feel of the game yourself. If sitting for a couple of years makes a QB better, than San Diego shouldn't skip a beat with Philip Rivers.

The Colts don't have their WR's line up in different places. Harrison always lines up in front of the LCB, Wayne lines up in front of the RCB and Stokley stays inside. Madison will face Harrison the entire game unless he is the CB that covers the slot WR even though I believe it will be McQuarters.

I would take him in the 4th or something as long as he falls and IMO he will, don't just grab him quick.

I would imagine they would ask Toomer (who I heard is willing to do so) to take a pay cut. EA was surprised when Amani was unsure if he would be here or not this year and he said that Amani wouldn't be going anywhere. IMO Toomer may have lost a little bit of speed and explosion but he is the most sure handed WR on this team. He showed that he can make consistent highlight reel catches especially after many people were giving him a hard time for catching with his body more than they would like. As for Emmons I thought he would've been cut before but Green was. I guess Emmons would stay on and battle with Reggie Torbor for the LOLB/SLB spot and/or battle with some draft pick for the ROLB/WLB spot.

Giants needed a MORE veteran presence in the secondary to tutor the CB's. Sam Madison is that player, and besides he came at a good price.

I heard the Titans talked to him.

I think the Patriots get him since he wants to start at MLB and technically he would be starting next to Bruschi since now Vrabel has moved back to OLB in the 3-4. He fits in their scheme of having strong, physical ILB's to take on blocks. I don't think he will come back to the Giants even though that isn't out of the question.

You aren't sounding like an asshole. Yeah I guess you can say I am acting as if these guys have died, or quite possibly I'm acting like a huge fan of two players that were playing the position that I love so much on my favorite team for 5 years and now they won't be here anymore (I will be able to see Allen play several times a year unlike Peterson though). Since it seems like this topic has been getting some chaos I guess I should forget it and just let it die.

Didn't Fox Sports say that Brandon Jacobs would eventually be Tiki's successor?

Because they were pretty good and they flashed some greatness, and if they were utilized better fan perception of their talent level would be different. More people would think highly of them. I loved the Wills as players so I decided to make a topic for them. You like to bash William Joseph so you say things like he should be selling hot dogs or he was being pushed around like a baby seal for example.

Of course my post was a negative comment towards you. If someone insults you and all they do is post stupid useless garbage how would you respond?

It wouldn't be, no matter how much people bash him and/or hate him he was a pretty good player, but unfortunately he wasn't utilized correctly on plenty of ooccassions. I am not saying that everything bad that happened to Allen wasn't his fault, just saying that if he was utilized correctly, like the rest of the defense, the numbers would've been way better. Madison should be fine but if Lewis goes to his inconsistent zone + cushion, rely only on your front four, give the qb all day to throw scheme, it wouldn't matter much who is back there as ANYONE would look worse than how they really are.

The amount of knowledge you have is abnormal.

Will Peterson 2001-2002

With Allen gone and Peterson not expected to play again, the Wills time is over unfortunately. Both were very good CB's at their best, even though on plenty of occassions they weren't utilized correctly. I will post a bunch of pics of them in action. I will keep posting them either in new posts or I will edit previous ones. Will Allen 2001-2002

1. I'm more interested in Will P's avatar (Will Peterson flipping Michael Vick). 2. Tiki will get a Super Bowl ring very soon (I think this year). 3. Tiki is aging like a very fine wine.

Wow, Carbo and the rest of the "FAG 4" are 4 of the dumbest people I have ever seen on a message board, and I have been on lots of them. They constantly say that Eli sucks and their main reason is his completion percentage. So I show them how that stat can be very misleading, but hey, some people are just plain stupid like those 4 fags. Keep posting stupid bullshit about Eli. I can't wait when Eli takes the Giants to the SuperBowl and wins it and then I will see what you jerks will say.

Funny you say "stats do not relay the intangiables" yet you and the rest of "fags" constantly bash Eli and bring up his 52% completion percentage.

Teams should really be drooling over Fiedler to be their QB for 5-10 years. He's relatively young at 34 years old and you are right, the need to find the "franchise qb" wouldn't be that dire due to Fiedler's age.

Ok, we know that Eli's Completion percentage was 52.78%. Now look at Trent Dilfer's Completion percentage. It's 59.75, that almost 7 full points above Eli's, but that doesn't mean much in terms of who had the better season. Ok, Dilfer had a higher completion percentage but he threw 11 tds and 12 ints compared to Eli's 24 tds and 17 ints, so who did better? Now look at David Carr, his completion pecentage was 60.52%. I guess we should pray for Eli to be traded for David Carr right? Carr completed 256 passes and he threw for 2488 yards, that's 9.71 yards per completion compared to Eli's 12.79 (294 completions, 3762 yards). Not to mention Carr threw 14 tds and 11 ints (+3) compared to Eli's 24 and 17 (+7) so who really did better this year? Let's move on to Michael Vick. His completion percentage was 55.29%, which is also better than Eli's. Vick had 15 tds and 13 ints which means his difference is +2 compared to Eli's +7. So I guess you would want Vick over Manning right? Kyle Boller's completion percentage was 58.36% while Anthony Wright's completion percentage was 61.65%. So I guess you would prefer those two and their combined 17 tds and 21 ints (11 tds 12 ints for Boller and 6 tds 9 ints for Wright) instead of Eli's 24 tds and 17 ints right? Some QB's throw dinks and dunks and that really inflates their completion percentage, for example I was watching Carr in one game and he must have thrown 10 passes consecutively that were 4-8 yard comeback routes. I sure felt like he threw a lot of those. Eli Manning's completion percentage does need to go up no doubt about that, but that doesn't mean that he didn't have a productive season. As I said earlier, completion percentage is a misleading stat. Passing yards and a QB's quarterback rating are as well.

2004-2005 WR's We all remember how the WR's did in 2004-2005. 2 td's total for the entire group. That is pretty bad but they still didn't deserve the harsh criticism that they got. The Giants wanted to improve the group and they signed a big name player so they got Burress. Toomer was injured and it really showed when he played. Hilliard wanted more money than the Giants wanted to give him (he denied to take a pay cut) so they cut him. Tim Carter caught a td early in the season and after that he didn't do too much after that and eventually was lost for the season with an injury. The rookie Jamaar Taylor showed promise on several occassions. David Tyree started for Toomer and caught a td. 2005-2006 CB's Will Peterson is similar to Amani Toomer where as he was injured, and even though he didn't play again, he also was hearing that he possibly was finished. He failed to catch and interception, like Toomer failed to catch a td. Will Allen didn't catch an int just like Ike Hilliard didn't, which meant the original starters at those positions didn't record a td (WR) or an int (CB). Allen was gone since he wanted more money than the Giants were willing to give the former first rounder (sound familiar?). Frank Walker caught an int early in the season but afterwards didn't do much since he didn't appear much on defense, as he was either inactive or on special teams. Rookie CB Corey Webster showed promise on several occassions, really in coverage since he needed to be more aggressive in tackling and in run support, but he showed something. Curtis Deloatch started for Will Peterson and in his 3rd start for Peterson he caught an int. The CB's had just 2 ints all year. Now Madison was the big signing here. The Giants signed more CB's this year then WR's last year.