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1 hour ago, Nas said:

Exactly.

I think we are the only ones who want to give the team a chance.  I understand looking at the record the last ten years and wanting to flip the win/loss columns NOW.  It is a completely different roster and coaching staff.  I don't think another round of firings, cuts and trades will flip the column.

Giants are not getting blown out of games which is an improvement.  I see a lot of small things players are doing on the field that add up to the Giants losing by a point 1 game and 3 the following week.  Wins shut everyone up.

We did lose that super bowl in 2000, badly.  Then he had to find another head coach a few years later and another starting QB.

Tough watching the win slip away today.  Giants had that game and gave it back to the Falcons.  A couple of things I didn't really understand:

Giants were moving the ball and getting into a rhythm, now they are bringing in backups and the backups backups.  Kenny Golladay had a day that explained why you paid him yet they didn't feed him the ball enough.  He was unstoppable.

I don't understand the penalty against Hernandez moving up field looking for players to block.  Why didn't the Giants just hail mary it into the endzone to end the first half?  We aren't good enough to rest on our offense, defense, special teams, etc.  The record is proof of that.  Why can't our secondary play the sticks?  They need 5 yards we give them 7.

Bredeson had a rough day, first he gets absolutely embarrassed by giving up a sack that left the Giants settling for a FG, then he doesn't know what play the team audible to, and the ends the day with not blocking a defensive player while being the lead blocker for Barkley.

Evan Engram in 1 game:                      6 targets, 2 catches, fumble

Kyle Rudolph over the last 2 games:  7 targets, 4 catches, 2 first downs

One guy catches the ball and moves the chains and the other guy doesn't and turns the ball over.  This is just a small sample but will be the story going forward.

Accorsi is still around just not doing the GM thing anymore.  People have forgotten how long it took him to build a team that won a championship.

This is how the Cleveland Browns became the joke of the NFL for decades

I have no problem with Joe Judge yet.

LOL There is nothing wrong with Evan Engram, that is just how Evan Engram plays.  I have been amused the last couple of weeks watching football, reading & listening to different writers & analysts talk about how Engram is missed on the field.

Let him hit free agency and the market set his value, he has been in the league long enough to prove he isn't top 5 or top 10 at the position.

They still do

Yay more stats  

Remember how the Cleveland Browns became the joke of the NFL?  It wasn't just because they lost most of their games.

15 hours ago, Nas said:

Idk about you guys but our boys played their butts off tonight… great game that could’ve gone either way… I didn’t like the sight of Galloday (sp) yelling at DJ on the sidelines… 

Yeah it was a great game, just too bad a number of plays went the wrong way for the Giants.  I'm not concerned about Golladay yelling at DJ yet, emotions run high and he is new to the team.  I'd rather see them yelling than sitting on the bench with the towel over their heads.

4 hours ago, Sephiroth said:

The time for excuses is over for Jones.  He's got maybe another 5 weeks to show he can cut it in this league.   He's been here for two years... most QBs that are going to be decent have learned to look off the safety by now and not miss guys by 5 yards... and how many fucking times does he have to turn the ball over before in the EXACT SAME WAY we admit he's not the guy? 

During that drive I said to my dad, "whelp, Denver just scored a TD.  This is usually the drive where Jones takes us downfield and gives the team hope, then either fumbles or throws a pick inside the 5."  Guess what happened? 

I have also never understood this.  "Well, a young QB needs to build confidence."  Yeah, a young QB also needs to prove he's the guy, and if he's not there needs to be a Plan B... the Giants never have a Plan B. 

Oh come on now excuses are like diamonds; forever.  He doesn't have 5 weeks, he has all season because we have Mike Glennon to back him up.  Giants always have a plan B, it just happens to be the same plan the Titanic went with.  

He had a solid game until the turnover.  Yeah there are still some bad habits that have yet to be corrected which he will either overcome or it could cost him future as an NFL starting QB.  

8 minutes ago, mastershake said:

If you're happy with this franchise the last four years and think they shouldn't make changes if things continue like this, that's all that matters.

Only thing that could make me happy about the franchise would be getting rid of the PSLs.  That would a great change. 

I'm way past if we replace this then the franchise will be better.

So oddly nobody told the Giants I picked them to sweep the NFL.  Offensive line looks like it can block and the defense is having a problem getting off the field.  If the refs are going to call all contact on a QB, this is going to be a terrible season of football.

3 minutes ago, mastershake said:

Right I'm thinking 2022. Honest question. If things don't work out this year, what other options are there besides blow it all up? Move on from this front office, coaching, DJ, and Saquon

Can't you just find another team to cheer for?  Clearly the Giants have completely failed to live up to your standards since 1925 minus a few games.  Why wait until 2022 for that option?  

No cursing or threats of personal violence...  

I'm not surprised.  I think we would be asking too much of Peart to start at RT at this point.  I'd like to see this year with Peart operating as a swing tackle and gaining confidence and solidifying his technique.  If he wins the job over Solder during the season and the Giants are winning, at that point the team should transition him there permanently.

I will be all the optimism this board will need for the Giants this year as we run the board with 17 wins.  I realize that some of them are going to be close (Vegas Refs) yet the Giants will prevail. 

21 minutes ago, Nas said:

We're treading water... we're just trying find anything... Our OL is shitty (not breaking news to anyone)... this will be a long year.   I'm under no illusion that it's easy to fix the OL.. it's probably the hardest part of a football team.. we have drafted and have signed FAs.... nothing seems to pan out yet... 

The thing takes time and patience, we have ran out of both some time ago.  We want positive results already.  I'm counting on the line to solidify this year without more free agents to plug into it.

New York Giants left guard Shane Lemieux's knee injury is reportedly a little more severe than initially believed.

The Athletic has reported that Lemieux is dealing with a partially torn patellar tendon, an injury that the second-year offensive lineman and the Giants have been trying to manage through a combination of treatment and rest.

Last week when the Giants traveled to New England, Lemieux, who had made the trip with the team to Cleveland the week prior, was among the players left behind in East Rutherford to receive treatment for his injury.

While Lemieux has done a little work since suffering the injury early in training camp, he hasn't been able to go full speed in team drills, raising some concern about whether he might be ready to go for the start of the season.

The Giants, who saw their offensive line depth take a hit with the retirements of interior linemen Joe Looney and Zach Fulton, traded for former Baltimore Ravens guard Ben Bredeson, a 2020 fourth-round draft picks out of Michigan. Bredeson appeared in 10 games last season as a rookie for the Ravens.

Free-agent safety Nate Ebner, whom Giants head coach Joe Judge has expressed an interest in re-signing once Ebner is deemed healthy enough to return from a procedure he had in the off-season for an undisclosed injury, could be getting close to making his return.

Ebner visited the Giants' facility on Tuesday, presumably to be checked out by the team's medical staff. The Giants are expected to tweak their initial 53-man roster in the coming days by moving some guys to injured reserve and trimming at some other positions, so a spot could easily be created for Ebner if both sides decide to go ahead with reuniting.

The newly trimmed 53-man roster took the field for a light practice late Tuesday afternoon, but one notable player was not out there on the field.

That would be tight end Evan Engram, who injured his calf in the team's preseason finale against the Patriots. Engram presumably underwent further evaluation Monday, but as of Tuesday, Judge still didn't have any concrete updates regarding the tight end's status.

How has this guy not bounced back from a pec injury from the combine in 2018?

13 minutes ago, gmenroc said:

I think in this day and age, if your 1st rounders don't see the field early and significantly, like lots of snaps within first couple weeks...their first round grade becomes highly questionable...as does your scouting dept

I think that idea comes from the amount of information available now to fans and when it becomes available.  

9 hours ago, BlueInCanada said:

I would argue, that if you are a winning team in the NFL, you already have a roster in place that can win, a draft class just helps bolster it.

A team like the Giants that haven't gotten over the hump of losing/mediocrity needs every bit of help from it's rookies and doesn't have the same depth compared to say a team like the Buccaneers/Chiefs who don't need as much out of the rookies day one.

And I also said "I'm not calling any of these guys busts" just pointing out the fact for the first few weeks of the season most of the draft class is not even going to suit up which is a pretty rough for a team like the Giants who need all the help they can get. All of these guys can turn out to be pro-bowl players or multi-year starters, but sitting on the sidelines the first few weeks of your rookie year doesnt help them, or the team either.

Also I'd still like to know what's going on with Tooney lol

Haven't been a winning team for some time now.  I think it is on the veterans to lift the team over the hump.  Giants spent a lot of capital bringing veterans in on both sides of the ball.  Rookies are going to spend the season just figuring out the game with the veterans helping the process.  It will be Golladay not Toney who makes the difference this season.

How is this class more important or less important than any other draft class in the history of the NFL draft?  Who cares how they start, lets see where they finish.

There goes the playoffs  

He signed with the team for this chance to get traded.

6 hours ago, Sephiroth said:

This is good news. Hope he's ready to go week one. 

Forgot to mention too that John Ross hasn't practiced in like three weeks. 

John Ross on Practice: