Tempest

On 12/28/2021 at 11:23 AM, CrazedDogs said:

Sounds like Cunningham played better than Peart anyway. The Peart Experiment is probably over.

Peart is the swing tackle until his contract is up and I think he is a very good swing tackle, just not a starter.  

Stress from pressure to succeed and win.  NY creates a lot of pressure.  When you are stressed you are tight and then take 2 or 3 guys starting at about 200 pounds running into each other at full speed.

I don't think anybody is healthy after week 1 in the NFL, they're just the walking wounded.

He wanted to make sure the Giants didn't come calling in January.

Nobody cares how hard they fight when they lose especially after weeks of losing.  I agree with his assessment that the defense is fighting.  The offense is broken beyond belief and we watch it every single week.

Lets say hiring Jason Garrett was complete mistake created by ownership to bring their guy in and it has cost this team two years.  Joe Judge has to decide if he can trust Freddie Kitchens with the offense or bring in someone else.

What has Joe Judge been watching during the week this year?  Always going back to the film but which film is it?  I keep hearing it is not good enough, I can see it is not good enough, can you coach this team to the point where they are good enough?  Every Giants win this year has honestly felt more like a happy accident than intentional.

6 minutes ago, jranieli said:

Who knows. Maybe they were looking for lightening in a bottle or something from him. They kept it very basic the first half and the Eagles defense was just getting better and better as time went on. In my opinion and from what I saw from him, he doesn't have an NFL caliber arm. 

Yeah he doesn't have the ideal arm strength yet he is accurate and has zip on the ball for short/medium passes.  I think that works with our inability to pass block.

30 minutes ago, gmenroc said:

I think as a rule, coaches are somewhat overrated outside play design.  I think the above speaks far more about what the coaches had to work with and execution on the players part...

I think they are just as important as your starting QB.  They bring continuity and stability while your players come and go.

11 minutes ago, mastershake said:

Why is Joe Judge the answer at coach?

Who, beyond maybe 6-7 players on this roster, are keepers????

At this point, I really do not know if Joe Judge is the answer at head coach.  He'll have to convince Mara & Tisch of that in a couple of weeks though.  Just maybe with Kitchens running the offense and a rebuilt offense, Joe Judge finally turns the team around.

Numbers from 2011 to 2020 not counting 2021 season because the slump is ongoing.

5 years with Coughlin Giants 37-43 Super bowl win

5 years with McAdoo, Spagnuolo, Shurmur & Judge Giants 29-51

We can blow the team up some more in the next 5 years I guarantee the same if not worse results.

I'd rather do laundry

Hey Julian, if you are going to catch the ball instead of stopping the other guy...catch the ball.

So why is Glennon out there?  He hasn't learned how to pass the ball yet and I doubt his ability to get us into field goal range.

Looking forward to the last start of Billy Price this year.  Yes I want Tyler Linderbaum.

Some light reading for the game  https://nypost.com/2021/12/25/time-for-joe-judges-giants-to-live-up-to-hard-nosed-promise/

Time for Joe Judge’s Giants to live up to ‘punch you in the nose’ promise

Joe Judge was raised on the virtues of NFC East physicality. He was a card-carrying Philly guy, an Eagles fan who understood what it took to survive and thrive in a division largely defined by the toughness required to win in December.

Despite being raised in the business of football by Bill Belichick and Nick Saban, Judge has made it clear he wants to be linked to Bill Parcells and Tom Coughlin, hard-asses who knew how to plow their way through the division on the way to Super Bowl titles. In his opening press conference as Giants coach, this is what Judge said about his planned approach:

“What I’m about is an old-school, physical mentality. We’re gonna put a product on the field that the people of this city and region are going to be proud of because this team will represent this area. We will play fast. We will play downhill. We will play aggressive. We’ll punch you in the nose for 60 minutes. … We’re not going to back down from anybody.”

Giants fans should go ahead and ask themselves a couple of questions after 30 games of the Joe Judge era:

1) On most Sundays, has this been a team that figuratively punches opponents in the nose for 60 minutes?

2) On most Sundays, has this been a team that projects a we’re-not-backing-down-from-anybody vibe?

Again, on introduction, Judge promised a style of play that matches up with the region the Giants represent. “That is blue collar,” he said. “It’s hard work. It’s in your face.”

When’s the last time the Giants really got in somebody’s face in a meaningful way?

Actually, the answer might be 10 years ago this week, when, with a 7-7 record, they pancaked Rex Ryan’s mouthy Jets program on Christmas Eve and never lost again that season.

The Giants have pretty much been a wreck ever since.

It feels as if these dark days will never, ever end. The Giants are 4-10 this year, and 10-20 overall under Judge. They have lost at least 10 games in seven of their past eight seasons. Now they have three games to play before general manager Dave Gettleman is shown the door at last and the search for a new football operations overlord begins. These games seem meaningless outside of their impact on draft position, but there’s always a purpose to an NFL Sunday, and the Giants have one if they want to embrace it.

They can use this Christmas weekend to finally impose their will on someone, as they did on Rex’s Jets on that indelible Christmas weekend a decade back. The Giants can play the kind of tough-guy football guaranteed by their head coach, who will apparently make it to Year 3 despite his record.

Philadelphia would be a perfect place for that to happen for a grown-up Eagles fan who felt wronged by his childhood team last year. Judge’s Giants, who had ended their season 6-10, still had a chance to win the lousy NFC East when Eagles coach Doug Pederson replaced Jalen Hurts with third-stringer Nate Sudfeld in the fourth quarter of a tight game against Washington. That move all but gifted the WFT the division crown, and enraged people throughout the Giants’ organization.

Judge said he’d let the Eagles “speak for themselves on that in terms of how they approached the game,” and brought up all the Giants players, coaches, and family members who had made sacrifices during the pandemic to make the season happen.

“To disrespect the effort that everyone put forward to make this season a success for the National Football League,” he said, “to disrespect the game by going out there and not competing for 60 minutes and doing everything you can to help those players win, we will never do that as long as I’m the head coach of the New York Giants.”

Amen to that, responded Giants fans everywhere. Judge’s tone suggested there would be some form of payback applied, even with Pederson gone, and yes, the Giants did beat the Eagles 13-7 last month despite surrendering 208 rushing yards. But the Giants have a chance Sunday — with a clean season-series sweep — to seriously damage Philadelphia’s hopes of making the playoffs. That would be a score settled after what went down at the end of last year.

Of course, beating the Eagles (7-7) a second time will be a handful. The Giants have lost their past seven games at Lincoln Financial Field, quarterback Jake Fromm will be making his first NFL start and the Eagles own the league’s best running attack. On the other hand, Philly had to play a postponed game Tuesday night. If ever there were an opportunity to physically control an opponent, it should come when that opponent faces an early Sunday kickoff after playing Tuesday night.

“It’s a contact sport, you can’t get around that,” Judge said when he was hired. “It’s meant to be a physical game. It’s for tough people.”

Judge walked in the door promising that, on most Sundays, his players would be the toughest people in the building. It’s time the Giants actually walked that talk.

2 hours ago, Sephiroth said:

I'm really only watching to see if Fromm is an NFL-caliber backup. Also wanna keep an eye on Thomas, Robinson, McKinney, and if we're lucky, Isiah Wilson.

I think it will be hard to tell with what he has to work with.  Fromm hasn't had the time to develop chemistry with the offense or fully run the playbook.  The best I expect from Fromm is to play better than Glennon.  I would like to see him rally the team again and set a higher tempo.  With his limited passing strength I hope he stays away from throwing deep and stick to sharp accurate short to medium passes.

How can anyone skip watching another game of the Big Blue Train Wreck.  I'm looking forward to turning on the game at some point and turning it off again.  There will be moments the Giants look good while spending most of the game showing us why they are sitting at the bottom of the division.

I would love to see them win, just think we're past the point of being capable of winning.  Offseason is looking more interesting than the regular season.

23 hours ago, Nas said:

I'm only against spending draft capital NOW to get a QB when we need to get the infrastructure needed for any QB to be successful established.    We know we're going to have a shit year next year so why even bother bringing someone who will be wounded and damaged anyway.    Jones was made to be a RB and we know those last 4 years in the league tops... Jones is a pocket passer not a running QB... The way I see it, build the OL and see what you have with Jones next year then you will have a better idea as to what direction you want to go with the QB position.   

Agree to keep Judge as the head coach and the GM job is yours.  You get also get a free medium soda.

I thought he did well considering the limited time he had to pickup the playbook.  Sure he had problems shedding blockers, he did make some nice stops and while in coverage was in the vicinity to help bring down the ball carrier.  He might not be the player he used to be and yet better than what we have been fielding without Martinez.

Yeah I'm ready for the season to end.  Two weeks of Glennon at QB has an impact.

13 minutes ago, Sephiroth said:

Like I've said... if that's the front office next year I'll just be skipping next year.

You better skip next year, you're going to be on the school board.

If you started the Giants at the opponents 20 yard line and did not permit them to kick field goals, how many points would they score in a season?

I don't have anything against Kevin Abrams and my only question is what would he do differently?  He has been with the team for over twenty years and this will be his first time running any team in this capacity.  

Just now, BlueInCanada said:

Trust the process. 

I trust the process, I have a problem with the results.

Just now, Virginia Giant said:

It’s like three passes is and it’s so evident he’s better than Glennon that judge should be fired for making us suffer through Glenon 

I wouldn't read too much into it because the game is over.  I like the energy Fromm is showing and the throws have been good.

Now this is stupid.  If you were going to put Fromm in, why wait until the last 5 minutes of the game?  Where's that medium soda?