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I would have liked to have kept him, the offensive line would been better because it was certainly worse after he left.  It is unfortunate that injuries have shortened his career.  Majority of Giants picks these last ten years didn't have a career in the NFL after their rookie contract was up.

We are required to look into every player cut as they are most likely better than who we have starting at the position.

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19 hours ago, BronxRik said:

I'm going to make a bold prediction: Aaron Rodgers will not win another SB, nor will he be the next Alex Trebek.

He'll always be the next Brett Farve, even in retirement will follow the same path.

22 hours ago, BlueInCanada said:

Wasn't that the narrative last offseason?

"He's making his guys run in minicamp!?!????!! He's obviously already lost this team and no one will ever come to play for him"

Meanwhile we landed the too WR free agent and a bunch of others. 

Sports media is just complete trash. 

That was the sport pundits, soon it will be us.  We didn't say it last year because after a few years of losing we simply see a hard training camp as righteous punishment for the years of losing.

6 hours ago, CrazedDogs said:

Isn't that the wrong Tisch? I thought Steve Tisch is the one involved with the team.

 

Jon Tisch is the treasurer for the NY Giants and if anyone knows who is starting in September for the NY Giants, it is the Treasurer.   

In a couple of years we'll be talking about how Judge is too hard on the players running them through conditioning programs from the 1950s and causing injuries, and free agents refuse to come to NY because of it.

Sounds like the last two guys we drafted for the position.  

The factor that keeps popping up is high value market teams are at the bottom of that list except for two:  49ers & Cowboys.  There is rest and there is making an extra buck.

On 5/2/2021 at 10:36 PM, BlueInCanada said:

Whhhhaaaa?

This has been a problem for Jones since his rookie year, he holds the ball far to long and doesnt dump it off. 

Here's a good article about it; https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/nfl/giants/.amp/big-blue-plus/new-york-giants-stressing-pocket-awareness-with-daniel-jones

He's had time to throw but he fails to make the small check down reads or runs himself into pressure. 

As you said there is a reason they got him more weapons because he needs to take a step forward with his QB play and he cant do it with Slayton and Gallman as the playmakers. 

This year inst banking on the Oline it's banking on Jones who could be looking for a new team on 2022 of he doesn't improve his play.

Yeah I'm ok with disagreeing with Pat on that too.  Also note the irony we are complaining about Jones not throwing to his check down while Manning was throwing  to his check down.  Last season Giants never got all their weapons the field healthy after week 2.  Shepard out 4 weeks and he is the check down guy for Jones and he never connected the same way with anyone else (Tate).

2 hours ago, BlueInCanada said:

That's my hope.

Competent coaching improved the Oline, most specifically Thomas, once Colombo was gone you seen Thomas really improve his play.

Sale is supposed to know his shit, and Flaterhty is back in the building as a consultant.

Of the 45 sacks, PFF has credited 27 of those too the starting 5 guys on the Oline. Gates surprisingly going the entire year without being credited for allowing a single sack. (LANK)

The other 18 sacks came from the RBs missing blocks, and Jones just having the worst pocket awareness and internal clock in the NFL.

If we can clean up the Oline and get Jones looking at his check down options quicker, since we have an absolute spoil of riches of guys who can get open quickly (Barkley, Shep, Toney) and just big body guys like Golladay and Rupdolph to haul in what I used to call Eli's "FUCK IT AND CHUCK IT" passes, we should see an vast improvement in the offense.

Yeah the problem isn't Daniel Jones with pocket awareness or internal clock.  There is a reason why the Giants went with getting more weapons this offseason instead of getting better blockers.

48 minutes ago, JayD said:

Far as I’m concerned, and I know you guys have been chomping at the bit to get my insight  lol this draft was a home run. 
 

I don’t really care much what happens after the third round, it’s rare anything comes from the guys past it. All three look like they could develop into good players. 
 

Sure I would have liked to see a offensive lineman in the top 3, but last year we went heavy Oline in the draft. At some point you have to go with what you have. 
 

I think some of you are underestimating the improvements the line made during the coarse of last year. Most of these guys are really young, and I see no reason to believe that won’t continue. I can see them being at least average by seasons end. Bottom line, we really needed play makers. Between FA and this draft, NTM Barkely coming back we certainly have some now. 
 

Have a great slot guy. We have a couple deep threats, and that should back defenses off enough to run the ball effectively. Remember we were just a few dropped passes away from winning some of those games last year. I can see a 10-11 game win record. In this division that should be more than enough to earn a playoff spot. 

agreed

Sounds like you really dug in on this draft and spent the time to study a number of guys for each round.  I wonder if you were looking at players just based on the position they played over being the best player available.  Of all the picks, Brightwell is the one I don't see on the roster in September.

Robinson & Williams will see the field this year because it is a passing league and injuries deplete NFL secondary's rapidly as the season progresses.  I also expect them to have a role on special teams.  Elerson Smith could be taking B.J. Hill's spot this year.

I can understand the thought process behind passing on offensive line talent so far in the draft.  We simply don't need another inexperienced player on this offensive line.    The offensive line at this point needs time to get gel and each individual needs to grow into their respective position. It has been mentioned earlier there is depth in the draft at OL so is it possible that depth extends past the first three rounds?

I don't think that I'll be watching a game this year and wonder why we passed on someone to replace Hernandez or Lemieux.  At the end of this season one of them might not be in the long term plans of the team.

Odds are pretty good that Toney, Ojulari and Robinson get on the field this year and make an impact on Offense/Defense & special teams.

I like the pick overall and I'll still be thinking what if we drafted Micah Parsons  twice a year

Just now, BlueInCanada said:

You have to wonder if this is Judge.

DG never trades back.

Judges comes to town and that's all he wants to do now.

More likely since there isn't much footage of the players this draft that the Giants are more than happy to trade down for more picks of players who they will have more footage of next year.

Someone check to see if shake is still alive after that second round trade...

While we wait on that answer, was reading the NY Post spin on the first round with the Eagles jumping in to snatch Devonta Smith.  I'm glad we didn't draft Smith because I honestly would be surprised he plays 16 games any year while he is in the NFL.  Guys drop weight during the season and he is already rail thin and I do not think he has the durability to last in the NFL.

Looks like the Cowboys found Sean Lee's replacement.  Now I get see how good of a linebacker he will be twice a year.

I didn't know what we were getting in Odell Beckham Jr when we drafted him, I can say the same for Kadarius Toney so looking forward to seeing a new and vastly improved offense on the field in September.  

Just random thoughts on this draft day and all the drafts I watch before this one.  I think the first draft I watched was back in 1994 and the Giants first round pick that year was WR Thomas Lewis.  That should have taught me an important lesson about all future drafts:  Giants are the most depressing team to follow on draft day.  This has held true up until about 2007 which I think could go down as the greatest draft class the NY Giants ever had just on the number players who contributed to the success of the team in the following years.  It is one underwhelming pick after another with the exceptions few and far between.  Now stretch that out over three days and clearly I should have something better yet still watching...

For years we have been overly excited about players we expect the Giants to take, disappointed when they take a guy that leaves us wonder why?! who then turns into the best pick the Giants make that year.  For the most part the Giants draft players who wouldn't have been drafted by anyone else in that round, do very little for most of their rookie contract which helps me to understand why NY beat writers are so depressing:  these players are not worth writing about, lets write about how bad they are.

I'll be back in two hours to see who they pick and everyone's thoughts on that pick.  Expectations will be 10 year pro bowler, history tells me otherwise.    

Experts at getting people to read their garbage hoping for a glimpse into the draft and their hopes for a super bowl win this season.

4 hours ago, CrazedDogs said:

The more I watch Waddle the less I see it.

I just watched a couple full games for Waddle... I'm convinced his hands are not first round receiver quality, he's a notorious body catcher. It's not an occasional thing, he will body catch it if he has the option. Of the about five times I saw him extend his arms, four of them were drops. He was only credited with four drops on the season, but I saw four in just two games.... Three of those I saw were called off due to penalty and didn't end up in the books. But they happened.

arguably worse, I also caught him taking snaps off when there were designed play fakes TO him. He was literally jogging and watching the ball carrier immediately after the QB faked in his direction. WTF sort of stuff.

Most people see Tyreek Hill, but I see Corey Coleman.

The body catching is one of the things that turned me off on Waddle as well and I would compare him to Ted Ginn Jr.  Ted Ginn Jr. was a very fast WR taken 9th overall in the first round back in 2007.

Micah Parsons

3 hours ago, BlueInCanada said:

Because Slater and the LBs/DEs are kind of luke warm this draft. 

The difference between Slater and the next OT like VTucker isn't much.

The difference between Rosseau and Paye isnt much.

But the top three WRs in this draft as far and away the best in the draft and no one is a close fourth.

Then there is Micah Parsons.

I don't bother to beat the drum on a half dozen players who the Giants could draft in the first round never mind seven.  Micah Parsons is the impact guy we need on the roster especially for the defense.   Giants signed one last offseason in Blake Martinez and I think everyone appreciated his production.  The character issues are insignificant and have been blown completely out of proportion.  He might not be ready to be an immediate impact in coverage, I bet he will make up for that in sacks and stops behind the line in his rookie year.

49ers are a RB by committee team.  Everyone gets the ball and it will be interesting to see how Gallman does there.  I think the 49ers can get more out of him than the Giants did.

3 hours ago, BlueInCanada said:

Something to note; Parsons supposedly has a shit attitude, he's priority #1 in his mind.

Some rumors/reports are the Gints are turned off, getting whiffs of OBJ.

Heard that too and still want to draft him.

Typical size, Nate Solder would be the biggest guy in the picture if he was there.  You can see from his frame he can bulk up another 20 pounds easily.  Now the article mentions the draft possibility of Rashawn Slater which I would not be against because it would be a fantastic competition for the starting RT position and we could always shift Slater to RG or he can win the RT spot and keep Peart as the swing tackle.