Lets review our current roster to determine remaining holes.

[GiantsRevival]

Depth Charts:

OFFENSE

QB- Manning, Hasselback, Lorenzen/Could use a late round pick to compete with Lorenzen.

RB- Tiki,Jacobs,Ward,Morton /No need this year to address this position,possibly next year though

WR- Burress,Toomer,Carter,Tyree,Taylor,Ponder /No need at this point unless a someone in the draft falls

TE- Shockey,Shiancoe /No needs here

LT- Petitgout,Whitfield /Could see us drafting one at some point in the draft

LG- Diehl, Seubert

C- O'Hara,Seubert /Possible draft pick needed

RG- Snee,Kelly

RT- Mckenzie, Whitfield

FB- Finn

 

DEFENSE

CB- Madison,Webster, McQuarters,Deloatch,Walker, Peterson?, Bell No needs here although on could be drafted if we sign a OLB in free agency

FS- Demps,Butler

SS- Wilson,Harris

LE- Strahan, Moore

RE- Osi,Tuck

DT- Joseph,Robbins,Allen,Duckett,Seawright We will either sign one or draft one

MLB- Pierce,Lewis?

OLB- Emmons,Torbor,Blackburn We will need 2 of these yet hopefully one in draft one in free agency

 

K- Feely

P- Feagles

PR- Morton,McQuarters

KR- Morton,Ponder

 

I like what we have done with our offseason signings. By signing Mcquarters,Carter, and Demps these positions are no longer needs. Which leaves us only two glaring need positions at DT and OLB. We will fill at least one of these yet in free agency, if not both. This is the 1st time in years we can actually draft best player available at least in rounds 2-7. If we lose out on Arrington we will most likely draft a OLB in the first and sign a DT in free agency. Leaving best player available in rounds 2-7.

[GiantsRevival]

I still have this feeling Arrington will wear blue next year. I had the same feeling last year with Burress. I really would hate to be an opposing QB with Arrington, Osi, and Strahan gunning for me. Could be a deadly force that could make our secondary look really good(Bledsoe would have no time to get the ball to TO). No way to double team all three. If this happens we could draft best player available in 1st round at any position and draft a DT in the second round. This team is 2 solid players from being a dominant, balanced team.

[GiantsRevival]

We could resign Griesen,draft a OLB to compete with the starters, and sign a DT. I don't think we need a starting DT. I like Robbins and Joseph as the starters. We just need solid depth. DT's will see single blockers all day with Osi and Strahan drawing constant double teams.

[Barens]

I'm a little up in the air with how we did this off-season. I do like that we were able to retain many of our own role players. I like Madison, though I don't think he'll be here for 4 years.

 

I can understand why we're not being overly aggressive in the FA market with LB's for a variety of reasons, but what I can't understand is why we couldn't spend a little money on either bringing Clancey back, or finding another DT. I would have been more comfortable spending money on another DT rather than on McQuarters and Bell.

[GiantsRevival]

I'm a little up in the air with how we did this off-season. I do like that we were able to retain many of our own role players. I like Madison, though I don't think he'll be here for 4 years.

 

I can understand why we're not being overly aggressive in the FA market with LB's for a variety of reasons, but what I can't understand is why we couldn't spend a little money on either bringing Clancey back, or finding another DT. I would have been more comfortable spending money on another DT rather than on McQuarters and Bell.

I like Madison too. I think he will sure up our secondary for the next few years. Clancey was severly overpaid. Last year he benefitted from circumstances. He played next to Osi and Strahan. He will not produce nearly as well in Arizona. I think we will still sign a DT. I think we are waiting to see what happens with Arrington before we spend money locking up a DT. The signings of McQuarters and Bell will have no effect on us signing a DT or Arrington. The McQuarters signing gave us excellent depth. Having him as a nickel/dime cb is a good luxury to have. Plus if Morton were to get hurt we would still have a weapon at punt returner. A lot of these signings were depth but the allow us to draft best player available in the draft. We have not had that luxury in a long time. I'm really looking forward to this years draft.

[parlintm]

I just did one of these in my WR thread. Anyway, I disagree with your opinion about no need at WR. I think after DT and LB, WR is the thinnest position. It's the only one other than those two that doesnt have a legitimate backup if a starter goes down. Our two reserves Carter and Taylor have the following career stats:

Carter (4 seasons): 50 receptions for 714 yards and 1 TD

Taylor (2 seasons): 6 receptions for 146 yards and 0 TD

 

The Giants had the second worst production out of their #3 WR last year. I think its clearly our #3 priority in the draft after DT and LB.

[GiantsRevival]

I just did one of these in my WR thread. Anyway, I disagree with your opinion about no need at WR. I think after DT and LB, WR is the thinnest position. It's the only one other than those two that doesnt have a legitimate backup if a starter goes down. Our two reserves Carter and Taylor have the following career stats:

Carter (4 seasons): 50 receptions for 714 yards and 1 TD

Taylor (2 seasons): 6 receptions for 146 yards and 0 TD

 

The Giants had the second worst production out of their #3 WR last year. I think its clearly our #3 priority in the draft after DT and LB.

I really think Carter,Tyree, or Taylor could step up and be the #2 if needed. Plus we could go to Shockey more if one of our starters got hurt. I would have no problem drafting a WR if one slips to us, if, the OLB and DT positions can still be filled. Carter has shown flashes of play making ability. One concern is health. If he can stay healthy I like his chances of having a break out year.

[parlintm]

I really think Carter,Tyree, or Taylor could step up and be the #2 if needed. Plus we could go to Shockey more if one of our starters got hurt. I would have no problem drafting a WR if one slips to us, if, the OLB and DT positions can still be filled. Carter has shown flashes of play making ability. One concern is health. If he can stay healthy I like his chances of having a break out year.

 

Thats a huge if considering hes played 4 seasons and never been healthy. Also Tyree is not a legit receiver... hes too and doesnt get any seperation.

 

IMO Taylor is the best chance we have at a consistent, legit, third WR.

[GiantsRevival]

Thats a huge if considering hes played 4 seasons and never been healthy. Also Tyree is not a legit receiver... hes too and doesnt get any seperation.

 

IMO Taylor is the best chance we have at a consistent, legit, third WR.

I agree with you to a degree. Shockey was getting the injury prone label up until this year. And Shockey played 15 games this year. So could Carter turn it around? Yes, and obviously the Giants think so too. I wouldn't count him out just yet. Tyree hasn't been given enough playing time to determine his ability yet. If he works hard this offseason who knows what he could become. But I agree with u about Taylor. I think he may be the best of the 3. Hopefully with a year off he can come back fully healthy and display his playmaking ability that he showed flashes of early on in his career. But when you compare weaknesses WR is a distant 3rd to OLB and DT. I'm not worried about WR's at this point. I do think we will draft one though.

[Barens]

I like Madison too. I think he will sure up our secondary for the next few years. Clancey was severly overpaid. Last year he benefitted from circumstances. He played next to Osi and Strahan. He will not produce nearly as well in Arizona. I think we will still sign a DT. I think we are waiting to see what happens with Arrington before we spend money locking up a DT. The signings of McQuarters and Bell will have no effect on us signing a DT or Arrington. The McQuarters signing gave us excellent depth. Having him as a nickel/dime cb is a good luxury to have. Plus if Morton were to get hurt we would still have a weapon at punt returner. A lot of these signings were depth but the allow us to draft best player available in the draft. We have not had that luxury in a long time. I'm really looking forward to this years draft.

 

The thing is, there aren't many options left at DT through FA, and after spending a fair amount of money on FA linebackers the past 2 years, I was hoping they would take their chances in the draft, where it happens to be very deep linebacking class.

 

Now, instead of going into the draft with pretty good depth at most positions besides LB, we're going in with a lack of quality depth at both LB and DT.

[GiantsRevival]

The thing is, there aren't many options left at DT through FA, and after spending a fair amount of money on FA linebackers the past 2 years, I was hoping they would take their chances in the draft, where it happens to be very deep linebacking class.

 

Now, instead of going into the draft with pretty good depth at most positions besides LB, we're going in with a lack of quality depth at both LB and DT.

Thing is we don't need a superstar at DT. We have 3 capable Dt's in Joseph,Robbins, and Allen. We just need some depth. A middle rounder would suffice. With the 1st 2 rounds available for OLBers. Going into a draft with 2 weakness in depth is not a bad scenerio.

[gateb]

Thing is we don't need a superstar at DT. We have 3 capable Dt's in Joseph,Robbins, and Allen. We just need some depth. A middle rounder would suffice. With the 1st 2 rounds available for OLBers. Going into a draft with 2 weakness in depth is not a bad scenerio.

Four actually. I like Duckett. But a guy like Buckner would help stop potentially some of the most potent offenses in the game right here in the NFC EAst.

[GiantsRevival]

Four actually. I like Duckett. But a guy like Buckner would help stop potentially some of the most potent offenses in the game right here in the NFC EAst.

If we lose Arrington I'm all for Buckner. But if given the choice between Buckner or Arrington I'd rather have Arrington. With Osi and Strahan commanding double teams and the remaining 2 O-linemen on the DT's that would leave Arrington freed up to attack the ball carrier or blitz the QB. Arrington would help more against the passing game and in our division we have 2 of the best WR's in Moss and TO. The passing game in the NFC East will be much different this year. With 3 pass rushers attacking the QB, turnovers should be a common occurance. Honestly as long as we fill one of the needs before the draft I will be happy.

[gateb]

I've been all for Arrington over Buckner for a while now. I'm having dreams of signing both of them though. Any remote chance that happens?

[GiantsRevival]

I've been all for Arrington over Buckner for a while now. I'm having dreams of signing both of them though. Any remote chance that happens?

Only if there are players willing to restructure. Which I think there are. Its amazing what a winning season and a division title can do to motivate the team spirit. Last year there were players willing to but the Giants chose not to activate all of them. Time will tell. If we sign Arrington and draft a DT in the 1st 3 rounds I would be happy.

[gateb]

Only if there are players willing to restructure. Which I think there are. Its amazing what a winning season and a division title can do to motivate the team spirit. Last year there were players willing to but the Giants chose not to activate all of them. Time will tell. If we sign Arrington and draft a DT in the 1st 3 rounds I would be happy.

I don't see why we should draft a DT in the first few rounds. I'd rather get more depth in the secondary and at LB, rather then spend three years trying to develop a DT where we can get a better, more proven one in FA. I have a dislike for drafting DTs in early rounds.

[hey]

The Giants had the second worst production out of their #3 WR last year.

 

 

That stat doesn't mean anything. When you have a Shockey and Tiki, those two are better than any #3 WR;therefore, a listed #3's numbers will not be that great. There's only so many balls to throw.

 

Not all teams have the luxury of 4 great targets to throw at.

[HOUND]

You didn't include any of the undrafted free agents the Giants signed in the offseason in your roster review. The Giants have additional safeties in Jamaal Brimmer and Jason Shivers. They also just picked up a WR from Green Bay off of waivers. Before anybody says, "well those guys won't make the team anyway" realize that guys like Chase Blackburn, Rich Seubert and Butler were acquired the same way.

 

I wouldn't have called Clancy overpaid. We got him relatively cheap and the deal he signed with Arizona wasn't expensive. I tend to think we could get his equal for similar money but no way was Kenderick pricey. As for the money we have spent, I would've loved to have seen us go after a LB like David Thornton instead of spending money on McQuarters.

[GiantsRevival]

That stat doesn't mean anything. When you have a Shockey and Tiki, those two are better than any #3 WR;therefore, a listed #3's numbers will not be that great. There's only so many balls to throw.

 

Not all teams have the luxury of 4 great targets to throw at.

Very true being that our #3 WR is the 5th option. How often do you think Eli gets to his 5th read in a play. Very seldom. I'd rather throw the ball to Shockey more than throw to the 3rd WR.

[GiantsRevival]

You didn't include any of the undrafted free agents the Giants signed in the offseason in your roster review. The Giants have additional safeties in Jamaal Brimmer and Jason Shivers. They also just picked up a WR from Green Bay off of waivers. Before anybody says, "well those guys won't make the team anyway" realize that guys like Chase Blackburn, Rich Seubert and Butler were acquired the same way.

 

I wouldn't have called Clancy overpaid. We got him relatively cheap and the deal he signed with Arizona wasn't expensive. I tend to think we could get his equal for similar money but no way was Kenderick pricey. As for the money we have spent, I would've loved to have seen us go after a LB like David Thornton instead of spending money on McQuarters.

Some of them will make the team but I didn't want to speculate which ones so I went with the best bet players to make the team. Clancey was extremely over paid. As I mentioned earlier he benefitted by playing next to the best DE combo in the NFL and he took the pay day. The Giants know better than to give him that kind of money knowing we can plug another guy in there and have them be just as effective. Robbins is a solid player as is Joseph, Duckett, and Allen. Remember people thought DT was a weakness going into last year as well and it turned out to be just fine. Our DT's will be just fine as they are. We will add a free agent or draft one. I am not all that concerned about the DT position. OLB is our weakest link. If we get a playmaker at this position we will have a dominant defense.

[parlintm]

That stat doesn't mean anything. When you have a Shockey and Tiki, those two are better than any #3 WR;therefore, a listed #3's numbers will not be that great. There's only so many balls to throw.

 

Not all teams have the luxury of 4 great targets to throw at.

 

Im not saying that we need to have a great third receiver. I just think that our offense would reach an entirely new level if we had a consistent third wide receiver. It would be comparable to the nickel back, a third down passing play specialist. It's been a non-existent position for us recently. The are teams out there with great offenses who have 3 solid WR's and a good TE. I just think that the third WR is the only spot on our offense that could use a bit of help. I just want a guy who will make 3-5 catches a game to help keep the drives going and to stretch the field a bit. Just because our offense is good, doesnt mean it cant get better. If we get a consistent #3 WR our offense would be unstoppable. I dont mean that we call plays for this guy instead of Shockey but with a third WR we can actually go w/ a spread formation and if he Eli sees that hes open he gets the pass. Most of the time though, we go to the other guys.

 

Its a minor position, but I think an upgrade at it would really put our offense into the category of elite of the elite. It would at least help us more than adding say, a 6th CB or 5th safety, IMO.

Edited March 28, 2006 by Armstead98

[GiantsRevival]

Im not saying that we need to have a great third receiver. I just think that our offense would reach an entirely new level if we had a consistent third wide receiver. It would be comparable to the nickel back, a third down passing play specialist. It's been a non-existent position for us recently. The are teams out there with great offenses who have 3 solid WR's and a good TE. I just think that the third WR is the only spot on our offense that could use a bit of help. I just want a guy who will make 3-5 catches a game to help keep the drives going and to stretch the field a bit. Just because our offense is good, doesnt mean it cant get better. If we get a consistent #3 WR our offense would be unstoppable. I dont mean that we call plays for this guy instead of Shockey but with a third WR we can actually go w/ a spread formation and if he Eli sees that hes open he gets the pass. Most of the time though, we go to the other guys.

 

Its a minor position, but I think an upgrade at it would really put our offense into the category of elite of the elite. It would at least help us more than adding say, a 6th CB or 5th safety, IMO.

We already are an Elite offense. We were #1 in points scored and a top 5 offense in almost every category. Our defense was average at best. Defense wins championships and for us to get one we need to solidify that side of the ball. If we do so, the 3rd WR won't be needed or missed. Having a 3rd wr is a luxury improving the defense is a necessity.

[HOUND]

We already are an Elite offense. We were #1 in points scored and a top 5 offense in almost every category. Our defense was average at best. Defense wins championships and for us to get one we need to solidify that side of the ball. If we do so, the 3rd WR won't be needed or missed. Having a 3rd wr is a luxury improving the defense is a necessity.

 

I completely agree that #3 wideout has me about as concerned as what I had for dinner 3 days ago.

 

That said, we didn't have the #1 scoring O, we had the #4 scoring offense.

 

EDITED to correct myself. We had the #3 Scoring offense, #2 in the NFC.

Edited March 28, 2006 by HOUND

[parlintm]

We already are an Elite offense. We were #1 in points scored and a top 5 offense in almost every category. Our defense was average at best. Defense wins championships and for us to get one we need to solidify that side of the ball. If we do so, the 3rd WR won't be needed or missed. Having a 3rd wr is a luxury improving the defense is a necessity.

 

Nice research there.

Pts scored - 6th

YPG - 8th

Rushing YPG - 6th

Passing YPG - 13th

So what categories were you thinking of for the top 5 offenses?

 

Thats good but definitely not elite. What positions do we need to draft other than DT and LB to improve our defense? Do a litte reading before you get back to me because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

[GiantsRevival]

I completely agree that #3 wideout has me about as concerned as what I had for dinner 3 days ago.

 

That said, we didn't have the #1 scoring O, we had the #4 scoring offense.

Yeah sorry towards the end of the year the Seahawks,Colts,and Bengals creaped in front of us. Still top 5 though and top 5 is elite. I could care less about the 3rd WR that is until an injury occurs. But if healthy Carter can fill in or Taylor could step up. Wr is the least of our worries.