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I like Ryans a lot as well. But I'm leaning towards Greenway. I think both will be successful in the NFL. It was a tough choice though. Either player will start immediately and will make an impact.

Went with Williams because he fills a need and was the best player available. I was thinking Greenway and Sims. But Dolphins signed Allen for the speed WR's and with the addition of Williams they can cover the taller WR's as well. Not sure if I would put Williams at CB or safety. But he was the best talent left on the board. It would have helped a little to know if the Dolphins were going to sign Arrington.

He won't be a QB in the NFL. Its that simple. If he wants to make an NFL team he will have to convert to Rb or Wr. His arm leaves much to be desired. But his legs are an asset. If you watched him at all the year before he was a good WR as well. He ran for over 800 yards last year as a QB. You have to have athletic ability to do that.

If we sign Arrington I would love to draft a RB in the 1st. We need an eventual everydown replacement for Tiki and I don't think Jacobs is that guy. I could be wrong but if Tiki were to go down how many of us would feel comfortable with Ward or Jacobs carrying the load? I wouldn't be. But if we picked up a White or another capable RB as long as we are not reaching. I like the Idea of trading with Indy so they can get their RB. Wonder if we could get and extra 2nd or 3rd rounder. Moving up 5 spots. Does anyone know what that would cost?

If that happens then there would be no need for a QB. But I watched a lot of Robinson and you greatly underestimate his athletic ability. I know your a Michigan fan but try to be a little less objective. Just kidding.

I really don't think a 3rd or 4th rounder would beat him out either. He has ability. You can't go into the draft and make selections based on what would happen if our 5th option on offense gets hurt. There will be a bunch of defensive players that were rated as 2nd rounders left at our pick in the 3rd round that could give us depth where we have none. We have good depth at WR. Burress,Toomer,Carter,Taylor,Tyree, and Ponder is not bad depth at all. Before we got Burress Carter was moving in on the 2nd WR slot. The year Warner was here Carter was showing big play ability up until the injury. That year in 5 games he had 12 catches for 182 yards 15.2 yard avg 1td. And last year he played in 15 games, he was just seldom used. Why? We've been over this. He is the 5th option in the offense. Its hard to put up huge stats in an offense when your number is rarley called and you are rarely on the field. We rarely use the 3wr set. If given the chance Carter could be a very good WR. Until some one gets hurt he will not get that shot. Lets hope he doesn't get that shot this year. Hopefully Burress and Toomer can stay healthy. But to draft a WR in the 3rd round when he will never see the field makes no sense to me. Like Money has said we have no WLB at this point. So before I would draft a WR I would draft 2 WLBers and a DT. Maybe a WR on the second day is a possibility. On the 1st day I just don't see it unless some guy falls way down the draft boards. And if that happens then fine so be it. I highly doubt that happens being that this is not a very deep draft at the WR department.

I actually like Robinson in the 7th. I live in PA and watch every Penn State game. I don't like him as a QB but he could come in handy come practice time to prepare us for a scrambler. I think his place would be at WR. Is he a project? Sure. But with his athletic ability its one that could pay off. The 7th round is the place to gamble for big dividends. He could be that guy. There are no sure things this late in the draft. So why not Robinson. I think we should pickup a QB somewhere in the draft to compete with Lorenzen anyway.

This was a quote before we resigned Carter. Not so sure this still applies. I agree as well. Defense has to be a priority in rounds 1-4. Defense wins championships. And until our defense is top 10 we will not sniff playoff success. A 3rd WR won't put us over the top thats for sure. Do you really think a 4th,5th,6th,7th round picks will win the 3rd WR spot over Carter or even Taylor for that matter? I sure don't think so. Our best hope is to have Carter stay healthy and reach his potential. He has displayed potential its all about staying healthy. I truely think we will need to draft a WR but not until next year. We will need to replace Toomer in the next few years.

Well if Seubert is backup C then we are thin at G. Either way we probably need 1 OL. If it were a perfect draft this is how mine would look. Counting on us signing a DT in free agency 1st OLB 2nd RB 3rd LT 4th OLB 5th G/C 6th WR 7th CB Honestly I wouldn't be upset if we went in a different direction. I've been thinking about it. If we were to sign Arrington and draft a DT in the second. I would absolutely love to get RB White in the 1st. You wanna talk about depth. If Tiki goes down we are done. At least with White we have an eventual replacement and possible immediate star if Tiki were to go down. This is scary to think about. But imagine Ward or Jacobs as the every down back. Ouch I'm not so sure I'm comfortable with that. So actually RB is probably higher on my list than WR

We were top 5 last year some of his stats are wrong. We don't need a #1 offense. We need a top ten defense to go along with that top 5 offense. I was talking about what Arizona paid him. Watch how his play goes down now that he can't hide behind Strahan and Osi. They made him look real good. Obviously the Giants thought he got to much or they would have resigned him. I believe we can plug in Robbins and he can have the same success. Plus getting into a bidding battle with the Cardinals was a losing battle. They have ridiculous cap room. We only have one C on our roster, we could use another G because Whittle is gone, We need a SS to backup Wilson(I'm not even sure Harris is a SS), OT needs to be adressed we only have 3, 2 OLBers, DT, and I wouldn't mind a solid corner in the 1st 2 ropunds in case Peterson can't come back. WR is way down the list. Going from 3rd to 1st in offense is barely noticable. And there are a lot of defensive players in this draft that can start immediately. There are a number of OLBer that are starting material that should be available for us in the 1st round. Remember the 3rd WR is rarely on the field in our offense. How much of an impact do you really think a 3rd WR would be in our offense. We are mostly and I-formation offense. Yes you are correct sir he also left out a few key stats as well. Its easy to argue a point when you misquote stats.

OK Nice research but what you seem to have left out were key stats that a offense is judged by. Total ofense 4th Scoring offense 3rd (which obvoiusly you should recheck since you misquoted it) Rushing 6th passing 11th With key players like Eli 5th in yardage,Tiki 2nd in yardage, Shockey 3rd in yardage, and Plax 9th in yardage. We have plenty of weapons on offense. Before we draft a WR I'd rather see a OLB, DT, LT, C, S, CB. Thats how far down my list a WR is at this point. Second day in the draft. Check the real stats of our offense then check the stats of our defense and see were the true needs are on this team. Very few people will side with you that WR is high on our list of needs. Why? Because football common sense tells them that. Learn football before you attack someone that knows far more about football than you. Just to prove my point here are the defensive stats: Total defense 24th Scoring 14th rushing 12th passing 27th So you tell me what is a greater need on this team a 3rd WR or rebuilding the defense? Anyone with a football IQ could answer this one correctly.

Yeah sorry towards the end of the year the Seahawks,Colts,and Bengals creaped in front of us. Still top 5 though and top 5 is elite. I could care less about the 3rd WR that is until an injury occurs. But if healthy Carter can fill in or Taylor could step up. Wr is the least of our worries.

We already are an Elite offense. We were #1 in points scored and a top 5 offense in almost every category. Our defense was average at best. Defense wins championships and for us to get one we need to solidify that side of the ball. If we do so, the 3rd WR won't be needed or missed. Having a 3rd wr is a luxury improving the defense is a necessity.

Some of them will make the team but I didn't want to speculate which ones so I went with the best bet players to make the team. Clancey was extremely over paid. As I mentioned earlier he benefitted by playing next to the best DE combo in the NFL and he took the pay day. The Giants know better than to give him that kind of money knowing we can plug another guy in there and have them be just as effective. Robbins is a solid player as is Joseph, Duckett, and Allen. Remember people thought DT was a weakness going into last year as well and it turned out to be just fine. Our DT's will be just fine as they are. We will add a free agent or draft one. I am not all that concerned about the DT position. OLB is our weakest link. If we get a playmaker at this position we will have a dominant defense.

Very true being that our #3 WR is the 5th option. How often do you think Eli gets to his 5th read in a play. Very seldom. I'd rather throw the ball to Shockey more than throw to the 3rd WR.

Only if there are players willing to restructure. Which I think there are. Its amazing what a winning season and a division title can do to motivate the team spirit. Last year there were players willing to but the Giants chose not to activate all of them. Time will tell. If we sign Arrington and draft a DT in the 1st 3 rounds I would be happy.

If we lose Arrington I'm all for Buckner. But if given the choice between Buckner or Arrington I'd rather have Arrington. With Osi and Strahan commanding double teams and the remaining 2 O-linemen on the DT's that would leave Arrington freed up to attack the ball carrier or blitz the QB. Arrington would help more against the passing game and in our division we have 2 of the best WR's in Moss and TO. The passing game in the NFC East will be much different this year. With 3 pass rushers attacking the QB, turnovers should be a common occurance. Honestly as long as we fill one of the needs before the draft I will be happy.

Thing is we don't need a superstar at DT. We have 3 capable Dt's in Joseph,Robbins, and Allen. We just need some depth. A middle rounder would suffice. With the 1st 2 rounds available for OLBers. Going into a draft with 2 weakness in depth is not a bad scenerio.

I agree with you to a degree. Shockey was getting the injury prone label up until this year. And Shockey played 15 games this year. So could Carter turn it around? Yes, and obviously the Giants think so too. I wouldn't count him out just yet. Tyree hasn't been given enough playing time to determine his ability yet. If he works hard this offseason who knows what he could become. But I agree with u about Taylor. I think he may be the best of the 3. Hopefully with a year off he can come back fully healthy and display his playmaking ability that he showed flashes of early on in his career. But when you compare weaknesses WR is a distant 3rd to OLB and DT. I'm not worried about WR's at this point. I do think we will draft one though.

I really think Carter,Tyree, or Taylor could step up and be the #2 if needed. Plus we could go to Shockey more if one of our starters got hurt. I would have no problem drafting a WR if one slips to us, if, the OLB and DT positions can still be filled. Carter has shown flashes of play making ability. One concern is health. If he can stay healthy I like his chances of having a break out year.

I like Madison too. I think he will sure up our secondary for the next few years. Clancey was severly overpaid. Last year he benefitted from circumstances. He played next to Osi and Strahan. He will not produce nearly as well in Arizona. I think we will still sign a DT. I think we are waiting to see what happens with Arrington before we spend money locking up a DT. The signings of McQuarters and Bell will have no effect on us signing a DT or Arrington. The McQuarters signing gave us excellent depth. Having him as a nickel/dime cb is a good luxury to have. Plus if Morton were to get hurt we would still have a weapon at punt returner. A lot of these signings were depth but the allow us to draft best player available in the draft. We have not had that luxury in a long time. I'm really looking forward to this years draft.

We could resign Griesen,draft a OLB to compete with the starters, and sign a DT. I don't think we need a starting DT. I like Robbins and Joseph as the starters. We just need solid depth. DT's will see single blockers all day with Osi and Strahan drawing constant double teams.

I still have this feeling Arrington will wear blue next year. I had the same feeling last year with Burress. I really would hate to be an opposing QB with Arrington, Osi, and Strahan gunning for me. Could be a deadly force that could make our secondary look really good(Bledsoe would have no time to get the ball to TO). No way to double team all three. If this happens we could draft best player available in 1st round at any position and draft a DT in the second round. This team is 2 solid players from being a dominant, balanced team.

Depth Charts: OFFENSE QB- Manning, Hasselback, Lorenzen/Could use a late round pick to compete with Lorenzen. RB- Tiki,Jacobs,Ward,Morton /No need this year to address this position,possibly next year though WR- Burress,Toomer,Carter,Tyree,Taylor,Ponder /No need at this point unless a someone in the draft falls TE- Shockey,Shiancoe /No needs here LT- Petitgout,Whitfield /Could see us drafting one at some point in the draft LG- Diehl, Seubert C- O'Hara,Seubert /Possible draft pick needed RG- Snee,Kelly RT- Mckenzie, Whitfield FB- Finn DEFENSE CB- Madison,Webster, McQuarters,Deloatch,Walker, Peterson?, Bell No needs here although on could be drafted if we sign a OLB in free agency FS- Demps,Butler SS- Wilson,Harris LE- Strahan, Moore RE- Osi,Tuck DT- Joseph,Robbins,Allen,Duckett,Seawright We will either sign one or draft one MLB- Pierce,Lewis? OLB- Emmons,Torbor,Blackburn We will need 2 of these yet hopefully one in draft one in free agency K- Feely P- Feagles PR- Morton,McQuarters KR- Morton,Ponder I like what we have done with our offseason signings. By signing Mcquarters,Carter, and Demps these positions are no longer needs. Which leaves us only two glaring need positions at DT and OLB. We will fill at least one of these yet in free agency, if not both. This is the 1st time in years we can actually draft best player available at least in rounds 2-7. If we lose out on Arrington we will most likely draft a OLB in the first and sign a DT in free agency. Leaving best player available in rounds 2-7.

That I'm not sure about. I thought the bonus money was garunteed but it wasn't included in the Base Salary thats why I added it. Can anyone confirm or deny this.