Zelmo

We must keep Tynes until the 2015/2016 season, as February 2016 is the next time the first Sunday in February will be February the 7th, and as SB 42 was won on February 3rd and SB 46 was won on February 5th, it is clear that Eli's third and final SB will be won on February 7th, SB 50, before the 35 year old rides off to his spot in Canton.

Amidst this karma it is simply too risky to let go of Tynes.

-Z

Ok now I get it...when Rolle restructured last year we gave him another signing bonus of 4 million dollars, which gets defrayed a million a year over the remaining years of his contract....the other bonuses are a 250,000 workout bonus, which I believe counts against the cap, and a 100,000 Pro Bowl Bonus which probably won't.

So at this point with three years left in his deal Rolle would cost us about 6.75 million dollars to cut...3 million from his original signing bonus back in 2010, another 3 million from the signing bonus when he restructured, and another 750,000 from his workout bonus, which is an incentive "likely to be earned" which counts against the cap even if it goes unearned.

Edit- I'm not sure if future workout bonuses count against the cap when a player is cut

-Z

Like I posted earlier, how future signing bonuses are assesed against the cap depends upon when the player is released. If the player is released before June 1, all the signing bonuses and other eligible bonuses remaining on his contract are accelerated into this years cap, whereas if the player is cut after June 1, only this years bonuses count against this years cap, and the bonuses of the remaining years of the contract are all accumulated against next years cap.

Having said that, I read somewhere that there is a provision in the CBA that allows you to treat two players who are in actuality cut before June 1 as if they were cut after June 1 for cap purposes....this allows you to manuever in free agency/draft while defraying the cap hit over two years....so for example you could cut Canty, and instead of taking a 4.2 million dollar cap hit this year, it'd be a 1.4 mil hit this year and 2.8 next year.

-Z

What's the cap hit on each of them?

Canty's cap figure for 2012 will be 7.66 million, 6 million of base salary, 1.4 million from his signing bonus, and 250,000 in "misc bonuses"....

He's signed through 2014, cutting him would mean taking the cap hit of his signing bonus for the remaining years of his contract, which at 1.4 mil a year, totals 4.2 mil, he's also due a "miscelleneous bonus" of 250,000 in each of those years, which depending on the nature of the bonus may or may not count against the cap....so we'd have to eat somewhere between 4.2 and 5 million dollars of dead cap space by cutting him, but would free up between 2.7 and 3.4 million dollars....

Rolle is also signed through 2014...his cap figure for 2012 is 9.1 million, 6.75 million of base salary, 1 million from his signing bonus and 1.35 million in a bonus I don't know the nature of...so Rolle's cap hit were he to be cut would be at least 3 million dollars, and depending on the nature of the other bonus it would be over 7 millon dollars...

-Z

https://twitter.com/...Patricia_Traina

Are you saying the Giants have 1.06 mil in space currently or thats what they finished last year with and they can carry it over?

-Z

Jacobs has the 8th largest 2012 cap hit among running backs....the Baas contract is also a killer, he's listed as a gaurd on that site but his 4.9 million cap figure puts him at 4th among centers....also wildly inflated relative to production. Another killer contract is Canty, who's listed on that website as an end, but who's 7.6 million cap figure for this year puts him at 5th behind Ngata, Seymour, Suh and Wilfork. I love the guy, but he isn't in that class.

Otherwise we don't have too many bad contracts. Eli chews up cap space but you gotta pay him. Webster's making a ton of money but he's 12th in the league at CB which I think is actually a steal.

Oh yeah I forgot the Rolle contract is killer at this point also. He's a nine million dollar cap hit in each of the next three years.

-Z

I think I read somewhere that we would save $2.3 million. I think he's scheduled to make about $4.2

This is the last year of Jacobs' contract, his base salary is 4.4 million and his bonuses for this year total about 2.5, which makes his total cap figure almost 7 million...in my understanding if we cut him we only have to pay his bonuses and only that goes against the cap.

-Z

K so I'm looking around for this info, it sounds to me like if you cut someone you have to absorb the hit of whatever bonuses are left on his contract.

If the cut comes before June 1 all bonuses remaining in his contract get absorbed into this years cap figure, and if the cut comes after June 1 then this years bonus goes against this years cap and the remaining bonuses get absorbed in next years cap.

So it looks like if we cut Jacobs for free agency/draft then instead of an almost 7 million dollar cap hit this year we'd take a 2.5 million dollar hit for his bonuses....so we'd save 4.5 million.

-Z

And don't forget you need to leave space to sign rookies.

-Z

Does anyone know how cutting players works with the cap? Say we would cut Jacobs, how much of a cap hit do we take?

-Z

Everyone's saying we're close to the cap...is there a site for this? Has the removal of the un-signed players' salaries been reflected on that yet?

http://www.spotrac.c...giants/cap-hit/

I read somewhere the cap is projected to be somewhere between 121 and 125 million....which leaves us with 4 to 8 million dollars of space currently....

Brandon Jacobs has a 7 million dollar cap figure and Rolle's is at 9 million...we absolutely can't afford to blow 16 million on those two guys.

-Z

Warner is trying too hard to having an edge as a tv guy these days, but he has a point here. Eli is one season away from throwing more interceptions than anyone. However, this could be the turn in his career where all the bad Eli goes away. Hopefully.

What are you referring to?

-Z

Z, you're good at digging this up... if you find the vids please post a link.

 

Props to Wilfork for telling the refs it was a bad call... 3-4 or not I wish he was a Giant

http://www.nfl.com/v...ts-strike-first

http://www.nfl.com/v...riots-fire-back

http://www.nfl.com/v...physical-battle

http://www.nfl.com/v...X-A-Giant-drive

There ya goes....

Btw am I the only one who can't do normal linking anymore?

-Z

I think the whole show is avaliable in four seperate segments on nfl.com btw...

-Z

FUCK!!! I didn't know what you meant. So I watched a little bit of "when in Rome". Hoping that it wOuld somehow switch to the show youre talking about.

 

Btw. When will it show again and what channel number?

It says it'll be on again tonight at 1:30 AM and tomorrow at 3:30 PM...if those times don't work out for you you can check their schedule for others: http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/networkschedule?selectedMonth=February&field=selectedDate&selectedDate=02%2F08%2F2012

I can tell you what channel it is on Fios....

-Z

The hell??? I got "when in Rome" on FX. Chick flick

Lol...I'm talking about the show "Sound FX" on NFL Network...

Some other good moments:

-Belichik haggling the refs for the intentional grounding call...not sure if he was being genuine or if it was gamesmanship

-Belichik telling defensive players before our last drive, "This is still a Cruz and Nicks game....Cruz and Nicks...make them throw it to Manningham or Pascoe"

-Z

Another gem, when JPP batted down that first pass, Brady tells Welker on the sideline, "It's like throwing through a forest."

-Z

They're playing the mic'ed up audio from the SB. They had a whole segment on the Boothe holding call on Wilfork. The refs themselves were split about it, though they obviously called it, and afterward the refs went over to Wilfork and asked him if they got it right and he told them straight up "It was a bad call"

Hysterical stuff (only since we won obviously)

-Z

You absolutely cannot leave out license plate guy:

-Z

I got my wish

You got one better....you got the Packers, AND the refs again, and we still shellacked them.

-Z

I have no idea what play you guys are talking about

Play midway through the 3rd where Chung cleaned Nicks' clock.

Was an absolutely clean hit though.

-Z

Eli's total SB 4th quarter numbers:

19/28 270 Yards 3 TD's 0 INT's....134.5 QB Rating

-Z

With a pretty good offense ourselves and a much improved defense. I'm not guaranteeing anything, but I'll keep saying what I've been saying since the week prior to the Jets game... As long as we SHOW UP... we'll be alright.

Oh we'll definitely be alright if we show up. I just can't remember the last time we played well against an explosive offense in a dome.

Maybe our bad karma is only against actual dome teams though.

-Z

Dome game against great offensive team

-Z

The crazy thing about all of this is that there are so many similarities to the '07 run, yet I feel the Patriots are the ones that have to get the monkey off their back now. That's a very scary scenario when you're dealing with Brady and Belichick. The payoff is obviously huge though. A second championship really allows you the opportunity to distance yourselves from just about everybody else. Not to mention beating an already legendary combination again. Giants win, all Eli needs to do is sustain his current production for the next 3-5 years and he's going to Canton. Coughlin could eventually find his way into that discussion as well. It's an incredible thought when you consider where we were at this time in '07.

The Pats do have the monkey on their back but we're in Brady's head.

-Z