Zelmo

This isn't the 07 Pats out there, it's a bad team that we've been pushing around at the point of attack with extra blockers. Make them stop it.

On 3rd and 1 why not try the running play the Chargers have been completely unable to block twice?

Ok so let me start with the facts. I had a hunch, which I'll explain below, that the guy who threw this flag was a trigger happy rookie and sure enough, as per footballzebras, number 31 on Carl Cheffers crew, is indeed, a complete rookie:

The reason I had my eye on this was because early in the game the refs picked up what I thought were 2 weak flags to begin with, the intentional grounding on Prescott and a coach out of the coaches box when they were considering challenging. Both times when they showed the refs huddling the crew chief was talking to the same ref both times, this guy wearing number 31, who by body language appeared to be the ref who had thrown the flag and was trying to explain his decision to the crew chief.

I'm not too upset about it because, we sucked and weren't gonna win anyway, and also they let Jenkins play with a decent amount of contact at least 3 other times.

But it got me thinking of a new strategy, instead of targeting DB's, we should target officials. We should gameplan to throw it deep at rookie officials in the secondary.

I'm not saying this from one week, but rather from the culmination of the last few years, but I'm really worried about Eli. Odell's "I can turn a routine slant into 70 yards" routine has been masking serious problems from Eli. I love the guy, but outside of Odell's magic he's been almost inept in recent years.

He did come to play in Green Bay though, I'll give him that.

And I agree the best way to get out of Eli whatever it is he has left would have been to solidify the o-line. Guy can probably still play when he isn't shook.

I like opening against the Cowboys, we helped opening their new stadium and kicked their ass and Eli tagged up the locker room.

 

Brings back good memories.

Did Eli tag up the locker room or did he just have the equipment guy make it look like he tagged up the locker room?

I don't know I was kinda hoping we'd hold an open tryout in London and sign a soccer player to kick.

I don't know why people who think he's wrong feel the need to treat him with kid gloves just because he has the right to do it. Of course he has the right to do it. "I may not agree with what you say but I'll defend etc", the whole thing. That's obvious. But it doesn't mean that you need to tread lightly around it if you think it's wrong.

For example, and I'm not comparing, just bringing out a point....when someone makes racist comments, we all agree they have the right to make them, yet have no problem condemning the comments and the person in the harshest way, sometimes even calling for them to lose their job etc...Acknowledging someone has the right to do something has nothing to do with passing judgement on it.

With that said, he has the right to do it, but it's a dopey thing to do and I don't respect him for it at all, and it's also a stupid thing to do because his problem isn't with the flag or the country it represents.

Cruz: 0 GP

Excellent moves. These cuts don't add offensive line depth to the priority list, but rather acknowledge that offensive line depth WAS an existing problem and deluding ourselves into thinking that THIS year is the year that Beatty and Shwartz manage to stay healthy, is irrational and irresponsible roster planning.

I don't know who's responsible for this behind the scenes, but it smells like McAdoo to me. Unless Reese had some wild philosophy shift. Couldn't you just envision Reese at the end of next season, having not made these moves, and after Beatty and Shwartz inevitably getting injured, defending the roster he assembled saying we had the depth but then injuries happened? I know I can.

It's about time this team starting living in reality again. I like this.

That game is one of my earliest Giant memories. (I think because I suppressed the Danny Kanell years).

Awesome game and memory. It's a good thing there wasn't replay review on that Toomer catch though

Edit- Just went back and watched the video and actually replay would've upheld the catch. The referees disagreed at first though. One was waving incomplete and one called touchdown and there was a long moment where they convened and came out touchdown.

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Not that this retarded article needed an ounce more attention....but still, I was extra savoring last night because of it.

Thing is, he wasn't even in a slump to begin with. It just goes to show the bar he's set for himself that if he goes one week without a TD catch and two weeks without a 100 yard game, that's a slump, even if he has 12 receptions for 120 yards and a TD over those 2 weeks.

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If the Pate were using Whitlock like we are, everyone would be talking about the innovative genius of Belichick.

This!

It's funny how much is perception driven....you're one hundred percent right....we're the old fashioned stuck in our ways coached by an old man Giants....whereas if the Pats would do this it would be yet another example of Belichik's endless wellspring of genius and creativity and flexibility and innovation.

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Btw, as the bandwagon grows for Spags and this so called "no name" defense...only the true faithful will be allowed on. There are those who wavered mightily in their faith, and it did not go unnoticed by Big Brother.

You know who you are.

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To put 100% of the blame for New Orleans would be ridiculous, but so would be absolving him of all blame.

That's fair. I'd assign him some blame, just not enough to significantly alter my view of what he's capable of doing with a defense in a stable, healthy situation.

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If you wanna get on Spags for a lackluster 3 years in St. Louis it's one thing but to get on him for what happened in New Orleans is plain ridiculous.

I can't remember a situation more dysfunctional and doomed to fail than that years Saints team.

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If they want to sign him, I'd imagine that since he wouldn't play this weekend, they will sign him after the game, since they would have to cut someone to make room for him.

Is that true that after working him out Monday they couldn't have signed him in time to play this week?

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I've heard that Welker said that he thought Rueben Randle would be ahead of him on the depth chart, and he'd really rather play for the Patriots.

Lol....Nice one

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Is there a reason we're not signing him? He seems like a guy who would fit perfectly with Eli. I know there's serious injury concerns, but we would be bringing him in at the vet's minimum.

Isn't it an all upside proposition?

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In no particular order:

Devon Kennard looks like a real player

Meriweather was delivering big, and more importantly, clean hits...solid, secondary solidifying pickup

We tackled extremely well, something we're not usually doing in week 2, and sometimes ever

D-line and aforementioned Meriweather batting down 3 balls

Return game looked potent

Offensive line was pretty good in pass protection

Offensive line held up even after Flowers left and...gulp....John Jerry came in

After 2 completely inept and dysfunctional seasons we actually have a functional football team.

Some random negatives, aside from the obvious ones:

Unga looks completely lost in coverage

Even though we held up with John Jerry in there, I expect teams to exploit him going forward.

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http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2015/09/james_jones_tells_the_mmqb_he_basically_asked_the.html

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There was an atricle on NFL.com about Jones, he basically told Coughlin and company he didnt want to play a "part time role" in the offense, could be the reason why he's gone.

I saw articles that quoted him as saying he asked the Giants to release him as he wasn't gonna crack the top 3 of Beckham, Cruz and Randle.

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This "3 straight fades called" myth has to be put to rest. I heard Eli on Francesca the day after the Niner game and Mike asked him to take him through the series. Eli said the first down play was a called run....he audibled out of it because they were stacking the box and he had single coverage on Beckham on the outside....second down Eli said the call was a play designed to move the pocket....Beckham was doubled so he looked to Randle who had single coverage....and on third down the play was dependent on zone or man coverage, the coverage was man and Donnell drew the single coverage so Eli went to him.

Link to the interview....the discussion about the series is right in the beginning.

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http://www.giants.com/videos/videos/Sights_Sounds_Giants_vs_Cowboys/f2a5f91d-d7af-481a-9bfb-98558a055723

At 1:39 witness the RB coach exasperatedly pointing out a missed hole to Williams, telling him the run could've been a TD. (I found this especially interesting since I heard Carl Banks on the radio saying that when he went over the game film he saw a couple of running plays that they had blocked that could've been touchdowns, and Williams just didn't read it right. Apparently he wasn't exaggerating, and apparently they saw the same thing on the sideline right away.)

At 3:12 McClain tells the secondary their doing a good job but the front four just isn't getting pressure.

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