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On my way home Sirius NFL reported that spags is out of St louis Chucky is in and Spags is going back to philly.

This is what I got out of the Jets Giants game. Football 101 know your subs, know the play and know how to count. If that is not indicative of what a crappy DC fewell is I don't know what it. Also Boley should have caught that. If Dallas loses after sitting a bunch of guys in the hopes of taking this Garbage division I will laugh so hard I will piss myself. Another thing....Seems like an early drop on a big play by our receiving corps sends this team into punk bitch mode. If Cruz and nicks blows an open play early expect it....don't believe me re-watch the last philly and wash game.

really I thought the only thing you could see from where you're standing is the back of your boyfriends head.

Win or lose Dallas isn't going anywhere. If the Cowboys blow it again this year against this Giants team. It should be the death blow for the Romo era.

I don;t know where you got me saying Manning was a problem. This team is not far away from being a contender. even with a depleted roster a poor offensive line and receivers that drop key TD passes they still are in the playoff race and competed with two of the top NFL teams this year (pats and packers). And a season where they had some games they just flat out gave up. Aside from the oline there is more so a motivation and drive problem with this team and a complete and total lack of talent.

Mannings window is now open. I don't think they are that far off with a complete 180. My biggest complaints are how they currently handle FA and Fewell. As much as I complain about killdrive, I don't think he's the biggest problem with this team.

Tim Tebow has a better QB rating then Vick. Vick maybe the most over rated QB I have even had the displeasure of watching. I don;t think you have seen enough of Philly this year. I have seen and or heard ever single game of theirs. They may compete with the Pack but I have little doubt that they will lose. i think if you did you would agree.

And my point was that if you compare most division head to head records they are very very comparable, when you look at win loss record over all they are not. Meaning 8-8 stinks no matter what your standing is in the division because of the aforementioned.

the Giants got schooled by Washington last week. They got punked by Philly at home. To me a competitive game is like the Dallas game. If you think Washington brought their "A" game I could not disagree more. 8-8 doesn't mean that our division is highly competitive. These teams stink. being a leader with a .500 record is being the best of the worst. And even that is debatable. Aside from the packers all division play is competitive as far as win loss records for prospective divisions. 9ers clinched with the same division record as the sea hawks, Saints clinched one division game ahead of Atlanta. The point is these teams already clinched the division with close records within the division. This sparks the age old argument of getting rid of the Division crown playoff bid and going by record. Lets put this into perspective a little more the only wins Washington has this year is from the east. For me this is the nail in the coffin for the argument. A crappy team beating up only division rivals. Let me stress here I like the face that one of our crappy division teams gets into the playoffs. But IMO there is no denying that there are other NFC teams that will not make it in that should over the Giants or whoever gets in from the NFC east. Just to throw one more log on that fire should the Giants have gotten in last year or should the seakawks? reminder they got in at 7-9.

I don't think the eagles would stand a snowballs chance in hell against the Saints or the Pack. By a good run I assume you mean they play in the NFCC. If they play either the saints or the pack before the NFCC they will IMO lose. I don;t think they match up well vs either of these teams if by chance one of these teams gets knocked off early, then I would have to agree with a "deep" run. As far as the Giants, this team is so erratic there is no way to gauge them. They seem to be a team that can be easily demoralized. The Eagles loss this year will never leave me, they where punked, and to me, once you get punked like that everyone knows your a pussy. A few int's or blown plays early and they fold. The whole play off scenario for this division is proof of how weak these teams are.

IMO Eagle are going to take the division. at 8-8 our division is a disgrace.

We should all be talking about how they have all but locked up the division last week and thinking about that first playoff home game in how many years...instead here we are again wanting some type of change. Watching Philly grab the division. After looking at things that way I want them all fired Reese, TC, Killdrive, Fewell, and a host of players whom I'm tired of hearing the same pathetic bullshit from. They can all kiss "MY" ass.

As a fan I don't know what the solution is. I think Reese is great at drafting players and sucks at FA. I think Fewell has officially entered being one of the worst DC's this franchise has seen in years.

I don't know about you but for me first off the team is Antrell Rolle I can't stand to listen to this guy yap anymore. He doesn't know anything about football because he's not a fan but he loves to play. I have seen countless interviews by this guy and he's an unmitigated moron.

AP came out today and said the Giants need to "stick together" The time to stand together was last week at home against a division rival. I don't think some fans grasp just how pathetic things have become. Within the last four games of the season for the last what four years. The Giants have blown locking up the division. And this years debacle wins first place for most pathetic. They lose to a 4-9 division team at home essentially giving away pole position to a garbage team. If the Giants lose any of the next two games and philly wins out at 8-8 Philly wins the division end of story end of season. Seriously how many times does this have to happen before John Mara actually does something about it? It's not about opinions any more or how this happened. It's happen the past three years in almost the exact same disheartening and pathetic way, and is now happening again. If the season pans out where Philly takes the division at 8-8 I don't care what anyone says this team stinks through and through. Looking for a good play here, a consistent player there, a good game called on a few series here and a few series there, a stop there a stop here JUST DOESN'T CUT IT. Hey John Mara save the lip service show us some serious attempt at change because as of today you all look like a bunch of fools, and I for one am tired of throwing my money, my time and emotional investment on something that greedily laps those things up and gives nothing back. Forget that, you give back less then nothing, and that includes effort.

I didn't know it either until I watched the HBO special "lombardi". A must see for any NFL fan.

How many games do we have to sit through and watch Fewell give up 400+ yards and or 30+ points until Mara sees this defense sucks ass. Unless there is pressure on the QB every play the DB's get used.

Games like yesterday!?!? Like Hicks dropping what, two perfectly throw TD passes? aw the sun was in my eyes. And Dave D getting called for a hold and getting a TD called back. I had hopped on the Manning stinks bandwagon at the end of last season, and have now been throw off by his play after the second game this year. Manning is a money player and a top ten NFL QB...dog... Manning is one of the bright spots on this team. There are a ton of things too complain about with this Clown Shoes team Manning isn't one of them.

The reality of this is TC and Killdrive will be back. Fewell will be gone IMO. If you look at some aspects of the team you have to ask yourself how deep does nepotism run in the Giants organization and how does this affect their decision making process on the possibility of changing the coaching staff and GM.? If you look closely at it I think most here will start to question it.

looks good

The Giants didn't wiff on Lombardi the deal was he was supposed to come back to NYC after a few years in GB. The packer had other plans and renegaded on the deal.

If someone stomps on your shoes it's ok because the first three quarters of the shoe are empty.

Clown shoes

Who said that Joe schmuck or Troy asswipe? It's a fucking stupid rule, if you are not named the starter at the start of the year you do not get on the ballot. Also the gaints could have taken other players off and put JPP and or Cruxz on but most teams won't do this for fear of upsetting the players on the ballot. http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/34035/why-cruz-pierre-paul-arent-on-the-ballot

IMO more proof the the Giants should keep Reese as a scout for the draft, and hire a new GM.