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From what I understand, he started smelling himself and ended up in the doghouse, so this isn't surprising. It is kinda strange that he and his brother were basically cut at the same time tho. Wonder what's going on there.

Beckham... literally what I said. We, fans and sports media, were having the same discussion about NOT paying him, and now it's commonplace to pay the WR as that narrative was disproven. Hell... just a few years ago the narrative was draft a young QB and stack the team as much as possible to try and win a Super Bowl before you have to pay the QB so these media talking points aren't anything new. They just seem to shift from one targeted position to another. Dropping 5% of the cap on a RB that's worth it shouldn't be that big of a deal regardless of how much the QB, WRs and D are making. Ex... don't believe the bullshit... the most Saquon was realistically offered was $11.5M/year. As per Ryan Dunleavy, the numbers that were leaked, the $13-14M/year, had escalators/incentives that would NEVER be reached with guaranteed money totaling less than both the 2 franchise tags and the top rookie rb until the 11th hour when the AAV was lowered and the guarantees were increased to the equivalent of the 2 tags. The current deal takes up 4.49% of the $224.8M cap. Even if we hypothetically gave him $15M/year, that's still just 6.67% when we have Leonard Williams just sitting there with a $32M cap number in his final year and no realistic solution next to Dex, unless Jordan Riley somehow becomes the next Aaron Donald. Simple solution... extend Williams to lower his cap number for this year and pay Saquon so that he and DJ are tied to each other throught the duration of both their contracts since your QB isn't costing you $55-60M. The Free Agent WR market is weak next year, so our best bet is to extend Campbell or draft another WR high, neither if which should cost a ton and we're currently projected to have around $60M in cap space when it jumps to around $256M. All that being said... what's (hypothetically) $15M/year to that when we have most of our key positions covered and what seems like a surplus when it comes to cap space on the horizon? And I'm not advocating for $15M/year. I'm just using it as an arbitrary number since Saquon said he wasn't trying to reset the market... which would be $16M+. Seems like a no-brainer, but I'm just a fan that wants my team to succeed.

Is it bad that I really had to think about who "Smith" was???

Eric Gray needs to learn how to pick up a blitz and catch a punt without giving me a heart attack before I put any kind of faith in him.

I get your main point. You're not getting or you're just flat out ignoring what I'm saying, though. You keep saying "good" as if you can throw any 2nd or 3rd tier QB out onto the field and expect them to elevate everyone around them to a Super Bowl winner. There's smaller than a select few QBs that can do that and all of them in the last 10 years with the exception of Foles are at least borderline HoF QBs. So if you're specifically saying "you don't need to pay a RB to win as long as you have the greatest QB of all time, or his heir apparent" I agree with you, but that's not the argument. As far as your questions, there have been multiple cases with 1000+ yard rushers in the Super Bowl in the last 10 years. I believe only 2 have been on the winning team... one of them beating another team with a 1000+ yard rusher (Pats-Falcons). Another case was Lynch for Seattle in 2013 and 2014 who WOULD HAVE won back to back had they actually ran the ball in for the GWTD instead of trying to make Russell Wilson the MVP, and Todd Gurley in 2018 lost to Brady's Pats after putting up nearly 1300 rushing yards... 1800+ in scrimmage yards. In that same time span you've had a bunch of others that have come just shy of 1000, but made up for it through receiving yards. The production has been there. It's just been overshadowed by those teams continuously running into the football GOAT. Asking about the $10M+ isn't a fair question as the salary cap has just gotten to the point where a RB can realistically be paid $10M+ over the last 3-5 years and with that all the sudden is this practice/theory of cheap rentals or running rookies into the ground and deliberately restricting their earning potential by keeping them under team control for their duration of their rookie contract and 2 franchise tags so that they cannot hit the open market while they're in their prime. The definition of legal loophole. And I know I've been going on for a minute, but we live in a world where Corey Davis, Cole Kmet and Evan Engram make more than Saquon, Josh Jacobs, Miles Sanders and Tony Pollard. That will never sit right with me and it's even worse in our case as we have every major position locked up with multi-year control except RB and Safety, but there's this Salary Cap excuse everyone keeps using as if Schoen couldn't manipulate the cap numbers the same way, if not better, than he did while negotiating DJ's contract. Now... the funny thing about saying QB/pass catchers and defense being better served getting the bulk of the salary cap money is that we were just having this exact same conversation about Beckham 5 years ago with similar terminology. "When was the last time a team paid a WR $xxM and won a Super Bowl?" was all we heard throughout all of sports media. Now it's commonplace and the argument has moved over to the RBs.

Listening to the VOD of a Patricia Traina podcast and she asked someone about the tape and they said today was one of the first days on the indoor field and sometimes players get taped or taped differently for turf vs grass.

That's the argument, but the reality has been you need a HALL OF FAME QB or a top 10 all time defense if you're gonna undervalue the RB position. How many of those are actually available? Since 2013 there have only been 5 QBs to win Super Bowls and excluding the outliers of the 2017 Eagles, all 4 of them are going to Canton. And again... $10M+ is a drop in the bucket with the $300M salary cap there's gonna be in a few years especially if that $10M+ is putting up 1700 scrimmage and 11 TDs. It can be done and with the way gms are able to manipulate the salary cap, there's literally no excuse.

Was in a debate a few weeks ago and someone asked me when the last time a team won the Super Bowl with a RB getting paid more than $3M/year so I looked it up. 2013. Marshawn Lynch was making a little over $3M a year. The time before that... 2011. Us. Both Jacobs and Bradshaw were over $4.5M AAV... Jacobs being over $6M. The thing about this convo is it completely ignores a vital side of the argument. Sure... maybe you don't need an all world RB to win a Super Bowl but you DO need... 2014: the greatest QB of all time... Brady 2015: the 2nd Greatest QB of all time and an all world defense... Peyton and the 2015 Broncos 2016: the greatest QB of all time... Brady 2017: the outlier... who beat the Greatest QB of all Time 2018: the Greatest QB of all time... Brady 2019: Future HOF QB... Mahomes 2020: The Greatest QB of all time... Brady 2021: Future Hof QB and a front office that sacrificed the future for 1 quick run... Stafford 2022: Future HOF QB... Mahomes It's not as simple as they're trying to make it seem.

Lol nah. Ijs Kelce is the only C that stonewalled Dex and if he can stop one of the best then JMS needs to be taking notes.

It makes my skin crawl a bit, but JMS needs to be watching Jason Kelce clips every day.

I was having this same convo with someone that made a good point, but idk how far it'd be pushed. RBs are always gonna be available cause those kids that aren't good enough to play WR are gonna get moved. It really fn sucks and honestly needs to be addressed if front office personnel are gonna continue to treat RBs as disposable. If we're specifically talking about 1st rounders, they get a 4 year contract with a team option attached and the team has the ability to tag the rb for 2 additional years. That's 7 years of control over a player that's entering the league at 20 at the earliest. So by the time they FINALLY hit free agency they're right on the cusp of that dreaded RB age and can't even hope to get paid to the level of their importance. That is actively stunting a player's earning capability through abusing a system put in place to protect players. Is it legal? Yes. Is it morally bankrupt? Also yes, and someone with a set of balls needs to be heading up the NFLPA to prevent this nonsense the next time a CBA gets negotiated.

Im beating a dead horse but Its hilarious that Cole Kmet is making more than the top 3 free agent RBs from 2023.

Didn't a bunch of them eat literal horse shit when they 🤮 won the super bowl 🤮 a few years ago?

That's actually less than I thought it would be. I was thinking something closer to $25-26M/year.

I really hate this talking point. Its almost as if everyone thinks the cap never moves. The Salary cap is projected to be $256M in 2024, $275M in 2025, and if that trend continues... somewhere around $295+ in 2026. With the exception of a #1 WR, which ppl keep trying to convince us we don't need, and Safety (X) all of our major positions are locked into multi year contracts. I'm 100% positive we could've afforded $14-15M per year if that's truly what he was asking for to lock up our most dynamic offensive player without any major financial ramifications if his performance fell off a cliff. But... that's just me.

Possibly but there needs to be some downside to the organizations using the tag to essentially hold on to a RB for 7 years and destroy their earning potential and they're locked into the rookie scale and then prevented from earning anything significant beyond that. I'd say on top of the charity make it take up twice the space on the cap so if Saquon hits his incentives this year, which would raise his tag to $13M next year, and Schoen decides to be a dick and tag him again... $26M against the cap. Think twice about abusing the system.

The first thing that needs to be done is the franchise tag needs to be adjusted so that it can only be used on a player once. I know it'll never be done away with entirely, but it's current setup allows for it to be abused. After that, I'd increase the rookie wage scale for RBs. If teams are gonna use them as disposable players then they need to be more immediately financially accommodated since their earning potential is significantly reduced.

Idk man. Seems to me like GB and Dallass both owe us like 10 1st rd picks each for our generosity.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that and Lombardi ending up in GB all Wellington Mara being way too giving to the rest of the league?

No... noooooooo... Jerry has to live forever and continue owning and running the Dallass franchise forever too cause as long as he's in charge they'll never get it right and will continue to be failures.

Didn't Robinson tear his ACL after the bye? How is he even close to ready rn? 😵😵😵

Was having a conversation with a few ppl about this the other day. The main talking points were that the new owners and the NFL would want to erase any and all connection to Snyder so how far would they go? We came up with changing the team name to something more patriotic, as well as the logo, the color scheme (to something similar to what the Bills used to wear in the mid 2000s) and moving to the Potomac area of Virginia and building a whole new stadium.

Can he play RB? Cause we have 333847362787474 WRs already.

https://twitter.com/JordanRaanan/status/1679257119499907072?t=lXld-aa6Pd09BhYhwZ818Q&s=19

I'm worried cause I was hearing PUP for him not too long ago. I believe the knee is an issue. 😫😫😫