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That feels like ages ago. Decent player, until he had chronic back problems. I think that is why he was so jumpy at the line.

It is, going on a decade now.

I'm a game 3 or 4 kind of guy.

Same here. If the team a mess by game 4 the season is basically done.

 

hell no.... one of, if not the best in the league that season. 2006-2008, good OL play.

I suppose once false start Petitgout was jettisoned in 2007 it was like addition by subtraction.

Norman should focus on his game because with out that all star front and LB making his job easy he's actually going to have to play now.

When was the last time we were fully confident by the O-Line? Ever? When the Giants won the SB in 2007 didn't they supposedly have the worst OLine in the NFL? This has been a gripe of ours for just as long as the LB situation, possibly longer.

My panic starts week 4 in all honesty. The first 2 weeks can be hard to gauge as many teams struggle and hit their stride while many teams take off and then crash and burn.

Here's a good quote about pre-season from Belichick:

 

In terms of game-planning and strategy, what we see in the regular season compared to what we see the in third preseason game I don't even think you're in the same universe.

Relax guys. We can wait until after game one to properly panic.

Speaking about Titans.

Titans let fans call 1st two plays Sat night. They ended up being a 15 yd run and a 31 yd pass. Next 3 called by coaches? 5 total yards.

So maybe us fans do know more than NFL personnel.

I totally agree... I'm just simply baffled! Especially with this organizations history of LB greats!

With all that money the Giants threw around you'd think they'd have some for a LB. Instead the Bears are signing Trevathan, Freeman and Acho in March while the Giants sign Robinson. I swear Reese filters on injuries in his FA Excel spreadsheet and that's how he chooses LBs.

Robinson injured...now there's a shocker. What's the over under he lasts longer than Connor?

He'll make the team whether he does well in camp or not. The Giants have hung on this long so they aren't going to cut him loose yet. It'll suck for a young prospect at WR but Cruz will make the team.

The Cowboys one is great. Also for anyone upset about the Apple pick mull this comment:

 

The best offensive line in football allowed Darren Fucking McFadden to finish fourth in the league in rushing last season despite having no semblance of a passing game and not even starting all 16 games, yet we still felt it was necessary to blow our highest first round pick in 25 years on another running back.

http://deadspin.com/why-your-team-sucks-2016-dallas-cowboys-1784456648

 

Jordan Raanan ‏@JordanRaanan 3m3 minutes ago

Sterling Shepard is the real deal #giants https://www.instagram.com/p/BInK_rZg569/

 

If Shepard, Cruz and Beckham can stay healthy it's going to be a great year for the O.

 

He probably could of gotten a better deal if he didnt act all diva on the Jets. They wanted him back and it was clear they did, he just cant accept that he isnt a franchise QB, just a decent journeyman stop gap.

 

Not to mention it's not like a single other team in the NFL was knocking at his door begging him to be their starter week one, he knew the Jets are the only team willing to throw a contract at him.

 

He might of even fucked his chances over starting the year since Bowels and the Jets have been getting ready to start Geno and give him another go, which they should do.

If Bowles wants to be fired then starting Smith will work out well.

I'm with Tree on this one but the NFL is ridiculous at times. Look how much Osweiler got and he's destined to be the next Flynn.

I was going to post that pictures inside a car seem super sketchy. If she was all for women standing up there would be a police report and charges; not an Instagram post.

He wont be first ballot but he will eventually get in.

 

If he finishes his career with three or four more seasons like this previous one I don't think there is any discussion about how he wont be a HoFer.

 

Funny to think we are in an era where an number of current QBs will by in the HoF, Peyton, Brady, Eli, Brees, Rodgers, maybe Rivers, the Rapist.

This is the most plausible scenario. There are going to be many great QBs retiring at around the same time so it will make it more difficult on first year of eligibility. Eli should be inducted and with no injury issues he could be around for more than 4 years. Eli can take a hit like a champ and is very good at feeling pressure so he doesn't get blown up.

It's Desmond Bryant of the Cleveland Browns lifting weights. Apparently we've found Plameiri's new job.

..........good news ......( and i wonder what Matt Dodge is up to these days ? )

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/new-york-giants-philadelphia-eagles-desean-jackson-matt-dodge-012816

He was drafted to be player he wasn't...bad times ensued.

 

"When I tell people I played in the NFL they're like, 'Oh great, what position?' and I'm like, "I was a punter.' Being a professional punter is like being the tallest midget in the circus. It's not really anything that's amazing."

There was "leak" of the colour rush sheet a awhile ago.

Some are guessing it will be like the old 1930s red uniform with blue shoulders.

Oh yeah, it's certainly a dance...the negotiation played by both sides. Miller is a hell of a player, but as an organization, they establish a value for that player and make an offer. Sure, they can sometimes go above or below their established value based on the organization's criteria (position, age of player, etc.), but at the end of the day, they likely don't want to stray too far from the number they were planning on because I have to imagine, that the team doesn't come up with the initial offer arbitrarily. If they've done their homework, they've structured the deal around other players entering contract years, planning future cap space, and so on.

 

Broncos came to the table with an offer..a significant offer. I didn't read into this story all that much, so I don't know if they are hard fast on that initial offer - but it may very well be their starting off point. I wouldn't say that shows no loyalty. Comparing this to Eli makes a good point...but I think the process is the same. The organization presents an initial, albeit lower than what he'll actually get, offer. Eli's camp comes back with a higher offer. They do the dance and work out a deal. I don't think coming in lower than expected is disrespect. Rather, it's prudent and business-wise. Likewise, Miller sitting or not playing or trying to negotiate more...is equally prudent and business-wise from his perspective.

 

Flacco...he's not nearly as good as what he got paid. He's got a strong arm and isn't completely inept. That's about as much as I can say about him. He got paid like a top 10 QB at the time. He didn't deserve it, but because someone was going to pay him that salary, being a SB winner (an overrated stat in my opinion), the Ravens chose to pay him handsomely. They overpaid Flacco. We likely overpaid some guys this offseason on the defensive side (though we won't know until their performance on the field).

 

In a way, yeah, someone is going to pay for Miller, so the Broncos can't insult Miller...but I don't think they did so long as they're not drawing the line in the sand and asking Miller to fall in line. If the Broncos truly want Miller and vice versa, then I think that overrides the pettiness of contract negotiations.

I get the motivations but Miller is a potential HOF in his prime. Why the Broncos aren't just blank cheque him is ridiculous. As the article points out he wants Vernon money which isn't a stretch considering Vernon has never made a Pro Bowl. IMHO the Broncos are fucking this up not Miller. Can another team sign a franchised player?

No question signing him long term is the right move...but the guaranteed money is obviously the issue. The Broncos don't want to be on the hook for all that guaranteed money if he gets injured and Miller doesn't want less given the same reasoning. It's not about them not having enough money to sign him...it's about the risk involved in doing so.

Every player is a risk and the Broncos are playing with fire here. There is a very good chance Miller becomes bitter, and some reports state he already is, and doesn't take anything from them. The Broncos are showing no loyalty for a franchise player and Elway is a bitch for doing so. Can you imagine how'd we'd feel as Giants fans if they had done the same thing to Eli after a SB win? Was Flacco a hall of fame after the Ravens SB? No but they showed class by paying him for his current performance. This whole debacle is on the Broncos.

This is a great article on the franchise tag that I totally agree with

 

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2647399-the-nfl-franchise-tag-must-go-away-and-never-come-back

Good read. Can Miller sit or would that make no difference for franchise tag?

They're not giving him Vernon 'guaranteed' money...I thought the overall was far above Vernon...though I'd have to look again.

 

Yeah, it's not just the money this year...it's the concussion thing. I think a lot of players want to make theirs and then retire before the head injury bug gets them. I suppose it's good that players are looking at long term health and trying to increase their quality of living at 50 by taking precautions at 25.

True but guaranteed part of the contract is the only part that matters. If at game 6 he has a career ending injury the Broncos aren't going to pay the contract out of the kindness of their heart. He was a very big part of that SB win and how much did the Broncos organisation make from that? With Peyton retiring I'd think they should have cap room. With what the Giants payed Vernon I don't see why the Broncos haven't already locked up Miller.

Miller should sit out because the Broncos are punking him. He's the SB MVP and they aren't giving him Vernon money. It's disgraceful really.

It's likely the other way around. It's better for a veteran to wait after the draft to get a better deal from injuries during camp.

This is what I figured why the Giants didn't sign Monroe. He either didn't want to play RT or a current contract issue. I'm sure the Ravens would have taken a bag of chips because they were going to cut him anyway.

Here's the video: http://www.giants.com/videos/videos/Victor-Cruz-highlights-from-minicamp/6e76da01-175c-49ed-8237-c1604a2897c6

Doing some real drills is encouraging.

Don't they all?