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Sorry bro, buts it just the truth. I was on the 50 yard line and counted each one myself. Im a big Shocky fan, no way I would lie about it.

No the GB game was by FAR worse. He dropped 5 nice passes. Yes Sir, 5.

I dont know man, Kiwi looked damn good at LB last week. If anything, sit Stray and give Tuck more time.

He either had 1, or 2 last Sunday. He had 5 against GB. Which is more than alot.

I wish I was in the UK at the time. Unfortunitly I was on the 50 yard line, pissed off.

Sweet. Thought it might be another couple weeks. Time to shine

LANDOVER. MD. – As soon as Plaxico Burress scored the game-winning touchdown in the Giants’ victory in Washington on Sunday, he picked up the ball, ran to the sideline and gave the souvenir to a double-amputee sitting in a wheelchair near the team’s bench. U.S. Army Lt. Colonel Greg Gadson gave an inspirational speech to the team. Burress’ gesture was no random act of kindness. The man was U.S. Army Lt. Colonel Greg Gadson. In May, he was stationed in Iraq when an IED (improvised explosive device) hit his vehicle, an explosion that cost him both of his legs. On Saturday night, he delivered an inspirational talk to the Giants. Gadson attended the game with his wife and children, then visited the locker room after the Giants overcame a 14-point halftime deficit to win, 24-17. “His talk almost defined today, to be honest with you,” Coughlin said after the game. “He talked about the fact that there are going to be bad times, and you have to keep your poise and fight your way through it. He talked about fighting for every yard. “He is a marvelous human being, that's what he is. After going through what he has gone through...a big strapping guy, a lieutenant colonel, a great football player right through the military, and a great leader. He told the story about him getting wounded and reaching for his rifle, being unconscious for two weeks. It was just a very, very touching story." It struck close to Burress’ heart. He and Gadson are from the same area of Virginia. After Gadson’s address to the team, Burress sat with him and the two men had a lengthy private conversation. When Burress scored his fifth touchdown of the season, he wanted nothing more than to give the ball to Gadson. “You see a guy go through the things that he has been through and he is in such good spirits,” Burress said. “It was just unbelievable to come across a person like that who went through a tremendous change in his life. I have never met somebody like that who had a high spirit like nothing was wrong and I was like, ‘Wow.’ I thought, ‘I have a little ankle injury, I have to go out here and give it my best.’ I tried to go out and play not thinking about it and all I thought about when I scored that touchdown was that I wanted to find him to give him that football.” Gadson’s visit to the Giants was arranged by wide receivers coach Mike Sullivan. He and Gadson were teammates and classmates (Class of 1989) at West Point. Gadson was a three-year starter at linebacker. The two men have remained close friends. Sullivan visited Gadson at Walter Reed Army Hospital just outside of Washington in June. He was taken by Gadson’s upbeat attitude and determination in the face of tremendous adversity. Sullivan told Gadson he wanted him to attend the game when the Giants visited the Redskins. As the game approached, Sullivan told Coughlin about Gadson. The coach thought it would be a good idea to have the solider speak to the team. “Sully came to me early in the week and talked about his classmate,” Coughlin said. “He told me what he had gone through and I was excited about having the chance to have the players hear from him. I talked to him on the phone and I told him the themes we had been working with all camp and he came in and he was excellent. It is amazing. He told stories about the football metaphors they use with the troops and then we use military stories with the players. But he said some really great things to the players. “I told the captains about it because I didn’t want everybody to be shocked. The players gave him a standing ovation and the volume kept rising. He is an incredible man. A powerful man. The power of his spirit. That is what he really did for us, just the idea that the spirit rises above all these adverse conditions. He is still the same man that he always was. He just had a terrible thing happen to him, something he is not going to let hold him back.” On Sunday, the Giants took his inspirational message to heart – and on to the field. Coughlin presented Gadson with the game ball in the post-game locker room.

LOL, I never called Shock or Plax Hot heads, or bone heads either, so I thought we were going for the irrational. So I just threw that out there.

Yea, I think Shock had 2, but im not sure. He had 5 the week before., So I think I still had those on the brain. Plax's 2 drops were pathetic, but I will give him props for making a really good come back in the second half. There is a pretty good story about the guy in the wheel chair that Plax handed the ball to after his TD. I'll see if I can dig it up.

I give Shock and Plax credit to, they finnaly decided to join the team in the second half. Why is Eli "so- so" for playing his heart out the entire game, but Shock and Plax are the savor's when they finnaly decided to stop dropping PERFECT passes? Why not "bother", cause im not ready to just give the kid the starting roll? He has improved each week, lets see what he can do against Philly before we toss Jacobs in the trash.

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Hey man, all Im saying is when a QB leads you to 21 unanswered points, on the road, in a divisional game no less, with several drive saving long 3rd down passes, thats better than "so-so". Thats alot better than so-so. If one or 2 bad plays stops a qb from being elite, then there isnt a elite QB in this game. You give Shock and Plax the credit for saving Eli, yet totaly look past the fact that Eli hit both of them more than once, with VERY long, possible TD passes, and they looked like they have never even seen a football before. Like I said, Ward played well, but fell short when it mattered most. Eli, and our defense won this game.

First let me ay Boo, Ward had a very good game. Played much more consistant. But I seriously got to disagree that he should get the nod as starter, and I'll tell ya why. Ward looked good, cause Eli was able to complete MANY 3rd and longs. More than a Qb should be asked to do. If Ward was really ready to to start, on the last drive he would have found a way to get some yards. He was given 2 shots to litteraly wrap the game up, and got 1 yard, and -1yard, putting us in a very dangerous situation. If Washington had half a brain they would have spread the offense on there last play, and walked it right in. (lucky for us, there dumb) That would have sent us into over time, and we might not have a win right now. And it would have ALL fell back on Ward. He had a Good game. Him and Jacobs will be a good, 1, 2 punch. But in no way should he be the starter over Jacobs. Another thing, your way to hard on Eli, again. Did you miss the first half of that game where nearly every reciever and our TE dropped MAJOR game changing passes? Plax dropped near 100 yards in 2 passes that hit him directly in the hands. Plax and Shock did not make Eli look better than he was. The truth is Even with the 2 picks, Eli should have had (once again) a outstanding game. I guess people just see what they want to see.

He dropped 5 last week

I think our defense now knows how much they suck, and will only get worse now, cause they expect to suck. If we win, it will be in a shoot out.

The same way most statistics are made. Well Tiki had other aspects of his game, his ability to catch outta the back feild was big. Is it fair to bring up the fact that Brandon took 4 shots to get in against 8 in the box? I dont think so. But even still, Tiki wouldnt have gotten in at all. He was never good on the goal line, hence the reason he has so few rushing TD's. I also said if we can get and keep Jacobs healthy. If his health is going to be a problem, then it wont be comparable, obviously. Everyone praises Ward for his 2 good runs, then craps on Jacobs for getting a litteral 4 yards a carry against the boys. As if that makes any sence at all. He was putting us in 3rd and short situations, and the offense was obviously thriving from it. That type of grinding offense is consistant, and very hard to stop. I never bashed Tiki for being injured Im not saying Tiki purposly padded his stats. It just ended up that way. When you subtract 2 to 3 running plays from 30 and it drops your average from 5.5, to 2.3, That means most of the game you were not consistant. I'd rather we had a running back that was able to get 3 to 5 yards everytime he touched the ball ( obviously not on goal line situations, but between the 20's) Then a runner who gets 1 to 3 yards a carry, and a occasional big run.

Wow what? Its the truth. If you cant run CONSISTANTLY you cant win big games. Im not saying Barber never ran consistantly, but many many times he didnt. You tell me how getting -2, 1, then 40 yards helps your qb on 3rd down? Barber would either break one out, or it would be 3rd and long. This isnt brain surgery brother. If we can get and keep Jacobs healthy you will soon see exactly what I mean.

And its one of the reason this team never went anywhere but a embarasing superbowl apperance, in a extremly weak NFC. Tiki hardly ever ran consitantly. He would litteraly suck 85% of games, then break out a couple to pad the stats.

A RB doesnt have to have any big runs. I'd FAR rather he just ran consistantly. Get us in 3rd and short situations. Unless his couple big runs go across the goal line, they dont do much for our passing game. Or give the element of surprise on 3rd down. I know he's a rookie, I said I give him pass. Im just saying he's had quit a few drops that have REALLY hurt us. Shockey is a proven vet. We know he is going to have some very good games. But to answer your question, YES last sunday Shockey sucked.

Mathews hasnt had a "bad pass" thrown at him yet. Every pass he dropped hit him right in the hands. Ive been paying close attention to Mathews. So far, he sucks. Ward did not play fine at all. He had a couple big runs to pad the stats. There wasnt any consistancy what so ever.

I gotta disagree with a couple things here. #1 Ward sucks. He didnt play well at all. He had like 2 good runs the whole game. #2 Eli hit shockey 5 different times right in the hands and he dropped all of them. if he had caught them, that would have made Eli 21 of 29. Which would have made Eli look really good. There were other drops to, which brings me to my next comment. #2 Mathews sucks. I cant even conceive what it is about him that you like. So far he has dropped more balls than he's caught, including a perfect TD pass against Dallas. I give him pass, cause he's a rook, but he hasnt shown anything so far. Aside from that , I agree.

Its too bad really. It isnt Coughlins fault we have no talent on Defense.

he's going to play

He better play.

What is sad is, once he has a bad game, as ALL qbs do, everyone will shit on him again. Its really amazing. I have never seen a qb under the microscope anywhere near as much as Eli.