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LOL Sounds like fun doesn't it.

I suddenly have this desire to watch a game with you.

So it looks like we're man handling them just following the stats and play by play.

I never had a problem with Tiki. He did what he felt he had to do and I'm pretty sure watching his former teammates raise the Lombardi trophy over their heads was a bittersweet moment for him.

Plaxico on the other hand was not a homegrown product but a free agent who screwed up a wonderful opportunity. Easy come, easy go.

I believe he could care less what we think of him.

I'm not watching the preseason games this year. Ok yeah I absolutely know how horrible that sounds but hear me out. I don't like Time Warner. The idea of paying $40 a month for standard cable is something I'd throw a tea party over. Come on down to the time warner building with me and bring your cable box. We'll throw them through every window in the building.

I've decided to scheme and just order cable for one month then disconnect the service. This leave the cable wire live so I can watch regular channels. Oh and yes I know about the converter box and all but I still need the antenna and quite frankly that wasn't included.

I live off of netflix and hanging out so this is my last resort before going to and getting kicked out of every sports bar in NYC just because I like to share my opinion during the game occassionally and I don't believe there should be anything else going on in the world while the Giants are playing.

I'd be surprised if Darcy makes it this time around. Giants drafted Beckum with the intent of training him up to be a better blocker, his receiving skills are already well known. Moss still hasn't done much on the field or on special teams, he makes the roster simply because he is a second round pick? I hope not.

Not worried about Boley at all, we have Brian Kehl back healthy. Wilkinson is definitely on the way out.

They'd start if the game counted and I'd rather they sit until the regular season if they've got a tweak that could get worse. Five of those guys are starters and I'd hate to lose them for the season in the preseason.

Why would you put Jack on ignore, he's the funniest poster on the board.

LOL at Jack Stroud......what a dipshit. I got him on ignore, but in someones reply, he's hoping for the eagles to bury us. You're the kind of fan I wish I would see at the bar. I'd slap the shit right outta your mouth. Get the fuck outta here ya twit.

LOL I'm negative? I must have missed your positive posts on Coughlin, Pierce, Manning, Kilbride, Tynes, etc.

just like your negative BS wears everyone down

When has arguing with Jack produced anything else but a joke thread? Guys there isn't a better FA kicker on the market. Its Tynes or its Tynes. Carney was clutch last season but he did wear down.

Well if they bring someone in, its just to fill a practice squad spot. I'm still really looking forward to watching what Danny Ware can do with the ball this season.

I'd hate having to see him play against the Giants. That would be one very emotional game.

I've really gotta checkout a preseason game just to see what he looks like on the field. I stopped basing my hopes and dreams on training camp reports. Those 2003 NY Giants reports were amazing until the regular season started.

METAIRIE, La. – New Orleans Saints tight end Jeremy Shockey(notes) appears to have emerged from his time in football purgatory with a decidedly optimistic attitude. Finally healthy after suffering a leg fracture late in the 2007 (an injury that cost him a chance to play in the Super Bowl for the New York Giants) and tendon tears in both legs which left him hobbled for much of 2008, Shockey looks like the swift, powerful receiver who was a first-round pick in 2002.

With that in mind, the irreverent Shockey talked about what he considers the most troubling year of his career and what lies ahead for him, including a life as a world traveler and entrepreneur.

Shockey was limited to 12 games in his first season with the Saints.

Cole: Your buddy Plaxico Burress(notes) wrote in his book “Giant” that you get hurt a lot because you fight too hard for every yard. He said you need to make what he called better “business decisions” on the field to stay healthy. Your thoughts?

Shockey: I wish it was so easy as you describe. This is how I’ve always played football – to fight for every inch, every yard. Plaxico plays a different way. He slides. You see him make a catch and he does the baseball slide. If that’s a business decision, it’s a business decision. In the middle of a play, I don’t think I’ve got to slide or I’m going to get hurt.

Cole: Is this some testosterone-filled, manhood thing for you?

Shockey: Obviously, you haven’t played organized sports at this high a level.

Cole: Yes, that’s obvious, but this is what Burress and other players talk about – saving themselves for the long haul.

Shockey: Well, I don’t have that button in my head that says, “Hey, get down.” I wish I did. I don’t. My attitude is full go, go full speed. Last year, even after I had the surgery, I wanted to be out there – full go – and play and try my best.

Cole: When you can’t play at full go, how much does it hurt you?

Shockey: It hurts very bad. It’s an empty feeling that’s hard to describe. When I can’t do something I love and enjoy so much, it’s hard. We had this speaker come in the other day who had worked for President [George W.] Bush, and he talked about going to work in the White House. The [players] were talking to him about how he can be around these great athletes whose heads are so big they can barely walk through the door. He said, “Listen, the guys you are around, those 45 or 50 guys on a roster, they truly enjoy what they’re doing.” And then we asked him, “You’re the CEO of a company; does everybody truly love working at your company?” And he said no.

Everybody in this game loves their occupation, and that’s very unique. So when you can’t play … it’s a feeling that’s really hard to describe. To me, I’ve matured a lot over the years. In some sense, it’s good to sit back and watch a little, but at the same time it’s hard to sit back and think, “I haven’t hurt anybody in my life, I’ve never been arrested; why is this happening to me?” I had a lot of those questions in my head last year. Why is this happening to me? Why did I break my leg with the Giants? Why, in my first training camp with the Saints, did I pop both the tendons in my legs?

Cole: Do you ever think about what you’re going to do to replace the feeling you get from playing when you’re done?

Shockey: I have businesses. I own [a business] in Panama. I sell art, I sell houses, a lot of things in Panama. That’s a competitive thing for me. Whatever I do is going to be a competitive thing. I love to fish, deep-sea fish. I’ve been in a lot of tournaments in various countries. I’ve won a lot of money doing billfish tournaments.

Cole: So, you’re going to escape to Panama when you retire and we’ll never see you again?

Shockey: I probably will not retire in the United States. I’ll have a home here, but I doubt I’ll retire in this country. I’m always somewhere.

Cole: So replacing the thrill of playing doesn’t sound easy.

Shockey: It’s hard to explain. Because if you ask people what it’s like to be sick and you can’t go to work, most people would say that sucks. But in the back of their mind, they’re thinking, “Cool, I can stay home for the day and chill.” In this sport, you want to be part of it. We’re competitive people out there every day, and another thing I’ll miss most about all this is the locker room: joking around with the guys, telling stories about five years ago, girl stories, going-out stories, different experiences in your life.

Cole: So your approach is that you’re all in, every day, in this game

Shockey: I enjoy it. This year I obviously enjoy it a lot more because I’m healthy. Last year was a really hard time for me. I would say I will remember last year more than any other year – not all the accolades and all the awards. It will be last year more than anything in my life because of the broken leg, the trade went down, fighting back from the adversity of popping both tendons …

Cole: And all the negative stuff from the fans in New York?

Shockey: That’s fine; I don’t care what those people think. In my mind, I will remember last year more than any other year because of all the adversity I had to face. Coming to a new team and wanting to do so well and then getting hurt. I was thinking, These guys gave up a lot for me and I can’t really do much. I probably only played six games healthy last year and I still had 50 receptions – no touchdowns but a ton of first downs. This year is going to be a lot different and I feel it’s going to be a lot more satisfying.

Cole: So do you have a goal, some numbers in mind?

Shockey: I always have a goal, always have goals and numbers, but I don’t share them with anyone except [saints quarterback] Drew Brees(notes). That’s it. It’s a different feeling when you’re healthy and can do things. When I was living in New York my first two or three years, you realize you’re always going to have a strain or a bruise or something that’s wrong with you, a cut on your knee or whatever. But to be truly hurt like I have been the past two [seasons] is really a hard feeling to describe. I was probably only getting like two or three hours of sleep a night.

Cole: Do you feel almost as if you’re chained up?

Shockey: I was just really depressed. It was a very depressing year, a very black, dark time in my life. That’s why, when you’re healthy, you have to take it and come out and work every day. There are very few guys like Michael Strahan(notes) who get to go 14 or 15 years and only go on IR twice in his whole career. Granted, I only went on IR once in my career, but I have yet to play a full season. I’ve always missed one game here, one game there, two games here. Maybe if I made some business decisions like Plaxico – slid on this play or that play – I would have. I just don’t think that way.

Plaxico Burress’ book, “Giant”, was co-authored by Jason Cole

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I think its hillarious

I think he just did community service.

Did Hammer ever do time for the coke charges?

Giants chose not to re-sign him. Still a free agent I believe so we can still hit the panic button.

Didn't Reugamer get cut or released already?

How about them Vikings? Solid defense, running game, and lack of a QB. Redskins? Another good defense, a running game and also missing a QB.

Having a top 5 defense will do that for ya everytime. NTM a top 5 running game. Just saying.

Hey if you really feel like reliving the 90's and doing the quarterback carousel well then ummm jeez. The Giants are paying him a bit more than everyone else and well you tend to do that when its a QB. Honestly if he was slightly better than average our record would reflect that, however our record looks a hell of a lot better than slightly average. You certainly don't have to go undefeated in the regular season to win the super bowl. Eli does lose but he still wins more than he loses and that is the reason why he gets the $15 million a season and other teams pay less and it shows at the end of the season when they're watching the super bowl at home. San Diego is about to pay Phillip Rivers about the same amount of money and they still can't win when it counts. I'd much rather have the QB who can win the game then the guy who looks really good losing.

I dont think he deserves it, and I dont hate him at all. Hell I love the guy. I just think it was a dumb move by the Giants. Not the end of the world, but not a very wise move. Yes Eli is a winner, he won 5 games in a row, with the help of one of our best Defenses ever, and will go down as a Giant great cause of it. But paying him more than anyone in the entire league?

 

Yea we went to the playoffs 4 in a row, but didnt we get in the first 2 at like 8-8, and 9-7? In other words, we had no biz being there, and it more than showed.

 

This is also coming off a year when he totaly took a crap against Philly. He wasnt a winner that game. Not that I blame him completly for the lost, but you make it sound like he just cant lose. He's a slightly better than average QB, who has a killer 2 min drill.

O'Hara getting hurt is very scary. He is the closest thing to a weak spot on the line because there simply isn't enough quality depth behind him. If it was just snapping the ball it would be easy to plug another guy in the line but there is a bit more to it then that. If we lose O'Hara, its going to cost us games and the playoffs. Reyes having a problem with playing center is really the most troubling part of the entire article. He was supposed to be an upgrade over Reugamer, and it sure doesn't look like it yet.

I don't really see Alford taking Robbins spot. Alford has been good but I just don't see him as a full time starter. Robbins has been solid since we signed him but unfortunately he is starting to wear down and we're probably never going to see the player he used to be. Under Coughlin, the Giants have become absolutely amazing in the trenches and they will continue to be so for years to come with the way this team has been aggressive at finding talent in the draft and recognizing it in free agency and going after it.

There are a lot of people who don't think Eli is worth that kind of money and every single one of them is a hater. You make as much as you can for as long as you can. If you can't make $15 million a season, it a reality check. The guy produces, you can throw stats up galore and compare him to any other human being but the only stat that counts is winning. Eli Manning is a winner. He can throw a duck and miss a receiver by 10 yards and still win.

DA BEARS! They've got a running game, a good defense and now a QB. Cutler will elevate the entire offense and could be in the big game.

That list isn't going to change much all training camp most likely. Some players might be on the list half the season.

So non Tyree related yet relevant still is the Giants waived Michael Rucker. You might remember him from a few months ago when a number of you jumped on the bandwagon and heralded him as the next great Giants wide receiver.

David Tyree fights for a roster spot every year; he keeps winning those battles. If the choice at the beginning of the season is between mini camp king Sinorice Moss who might make it through a training camp this year and Tyree... Well the edge still belongs to Tyree. David Tyree is clutch and easily our best special teamer under 40.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07272009/news/...htm?&page=0

It's gonna be Sing Sing for Plaxico -- even if he cops to a lesser gun charge, says Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morgenthau.

Negotiations in the gun-possession case against ex-Giants wide receiver Plaxico Burress -- who accidentally shot himself in the leg at a Midtown nightclub last November -- fell apart earlier this year after prosecutors insisted he do two years' state time on a plea to a lesser gun charge, the DA told The Post.

NOT CATCHING ON WITH ANY TEAM

The Super Bowl XLII star was willing to bite the bullet and do jail time, but he wouldn't agree to more than a year, the DA said.

"We've always taken the position that he's going to have to go to jail, whether by trial or by plea," the legendary DA -- who retires at year end after 34 years in office -- said, breaking his public silence about the case.

Morgenthau said his office would announce the grand jury's vote within four weeks.

The Post has also learned Giants linebacker Antonio Pierce is still on the hook for allegedly possessing his then-teammate's gun after the shooting -- and could face a jail term of his own.

Burress and Pierce were side by side in the VIP vestibule at the Midtown club Latin Quarter last November when the star receiver accidentally shot himself clear through the thigh with his own gun -- a .40-caliber Glock for which the player had an expired Florida permit.

According to law-enforcement sources, as Pierce tended to his trembling, bleeding teammate, a security worker at the club placed the blood-splattered gun in the glove compartment of Pierce's Cadillac Escalade.

Prosecutors have considered flipping the unidentified Latin Quarter security worker in hopes of nailing Pierce for allegedly bringing the Glock to Burress' Totowa, NJ, home after first driving Burress to New York-Cornell Hospital, sources said.

"To charge Antonio and immunize other individuals engaged in the same alleged conduct -- I would hope any grand jury would reject that outrageous proposition," Pierce lawyer Michael Bachner said when asked about the potential flip.

Burress' lawyer wife, Tiffany, allegedly handed the gun over to cops the next day, but she is not believed to be facing any charges.

Morgenthau did specify that no New York-Cornell medical personnel would be charged for failing in their obligation under state law to inform police about Burress' gunshot wound.

Hospital officials allowed the famous receiver to sign in under the name "Harris Smith."

Morgenthau played coy on Pierce.

"I'm not going to go into that," he said, smiling, when asked whether Burress alone faced gun-possession charges.

If the grand jury indicts either player on the top charge of criminal possession of a weapon, the mandatory minimum sentence is 3½ years in prison, although a plea to a lesser charge, such as attempted possession, could result in far less time.

Meanwhile, Burress has not ruled out testifying before the grand jury hearing the case, said his lawyer, Benjamin Brafman, who slammed the DA's office for failing to recognize what the lawyer called the "unique" and "sympathetic" circumstances of the self-inflicted shooting case.

"Now that they have drawn a line in the sand, this is going to be a battle," Brafman said, vowing to fight for his client "vigorously . . . and at trial if necessary.

"We are bitterly disappointed," Brafman said of the DA's decision to reject a low-jail plea and proceed with seeking an indictment.

Meanwhile, Burress has not ruled out testifying before the grand jury hearing the case, said his lawyer, Benjamin Brafman, who slammed the DA's office for failing to recognize what the lawyer called the "unique" and "sympathetic" circumstances of the self-inflicted shooting case.

"Now that they have drawn a line in the sand, this is going to be a battle," Brafman said, vowing to fight for his client "vigorously - "and at trial if necessary.

"We are bitterly disappointed," Brafman said of the DA's decision to reject a low-jail plea and proceed with seeking an indictment. The DA's hard line ignores that Burress' gun had been purchased legally, was not used in the commission of a crime, fired accidentally and resulted in an injury only to himself, the lawyer said.

"I told Mr. Morgenthau that in my view, his office should consider the possibility that a grand jury, or if necessary, a trial jury, might very well decide not to indict or convict Mr. Burress," Brafman said.

"There are a great many sympathetic factors in this case that would suggest to any reasonable person that for an isolated lapse in judgment Plaxico has already paid a very severe penalty," not the least the forfeiture of his $35 million contract, Brafman said.

Morgenthau, meanwhile, defended his office against accusations of "celebrity justice" in letting the case linger for more than half a year - enough time to let Burress entertain offers by other teams to play for millions this season.

"There were a lot of things that had to be run down," the DA said. That included checking out the Florida license, Burress' claims that he had the gun because of alleged robberies near his home, what happened to the gun after the shooting, and whether he received any special consideration at the hospital - in addition to plea negotiations, the DA said.

"It's only seven months," Morgenthau said of the time between shooting and grand jury. "It's not a lifetime."