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Fun Karma fact II The Patriots are undefeated this season when wearing their blue uniforms. (They haven't been too shoddy in other colors either.)

It is owned by the New York Times....nobody is perfect.....

She proposed to both Tom Brady and Eli Manning. She also asked Bill Belichick if she was hotter than Gisele Bundchen. She got shot down all three times. You got to love media day.

Look a bit more carefully, it is the microphone she is carrying. She is a "reporter*." *I use that term loosely.

Now here is a fictional book.... http://www.amazon.com/New-York-Giants-Supe.../dp/1596703075/

None taken. I love the "photographing defensive coordinators for dummies" If you haven't seen it this clip is a hilarious. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ntw7G7enxEk

http://coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/...or_Victory.html I like these guys. There analysis is always solid and not the crap you get from ESPN.

In the drop down boxes don't list every team. Red Sox is listed for baseball. Football the only choices are: Giants, Cowboys, Redskins, Dolphins, Jets, Eagles, Ravens. And no matter which team wins the SB, Dec 29th will still be the greatest meaningless game ever played. It did not effect any teams standings.

The reason why a Giant loss would be remembered, is games are not alway remembered for the win but for the story. More people know that in '86 Bill Buckner failed to field a ground ball than can name the Mets player that hit the ball. The '85 Patriots secured a place in history not just by being destroyed by the Bears but by being the first team to go to the SB as a wild card team. Ask anybody what team lost 4 consecutive SBs and they will tell you the Bills, ask them to name the teams that beat the Bills and many of those folks are stumped. More people know who won the bronze medal in Hockey in 1980, than who won the silver. Whether the Giants win or lose, every year once a team clinches a playoff spot and the sit or play them discussion starts we will see the highlight reels of the Giants last regular season game and post season run along with the Colt-Chargers game. The Giants have forever put themselves along with the Colts and Cowboys as a permanent part of the rest'em play'em discussion. Dec 29th game will go down in history as the greatest meaningless game ever.

Yeah, the death of a player in the off season, the birth of the QB's bastard child, spygate, accusations of running up the score, DV accusation against the number one WR, and a perfect season couldn't distract the Patriots. But the Giants wearing matching clothes will......

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01292008/sport...3212.htm?page=1 He seems to have a lot of confidence in the Giant defense, if he thinks they can hold the Pats to 17. Nobody has held the Pats to less than 20 this year. But predicting only 23 for the Giants, when the Giants scored 35 last time is not much of vote of confidence for the Giants offense.

Espn.com This is even better............ Call it the curse of Mo Lewis By Mark Kelly ESPN Research Sept. 23, 2001: Jets at Patriots Jets linebacker Mo Lewis blasts Patriots quarterback Drew Bledsoe as he tries to scramble for a first down with 5:11 left in the fourth quarter and the Jets ahead 10-3. After being attended to on the sideline, Bledsoe returns for the next series but is ineffective -- he turned out to be seriously injured with internal bleeding -- and is replaced by the Pats' sixth-round draft pick from the previous year, Tom Brady. The Jets hold on to win, but this one play fatefully becomes a historic turning point for the New York and Boston sports scenes. Take a look: Baseball championships from 1919 to Sept. 23, 2001 New York: 33 Boston: 0 After Sept. 23, 2001 New York: 0 Boston: 2 Super Bowl championships before Sept. 23, 2001 New York: 3 New England: 0 After Sept. 23, 2001 New York: 0 New England: 3 New York Knicks playoff victories Six years prior to Sept. 23, 2001: 37 Six years since Sept. 23, 2001: 0 Before Mo Lewis' hit … Good New York sports • The Yankees were three-time defending world champions. • The Mets were the defending National League champs. • The Knicks were coming off 14 consecutive playoff appearances, having won at least one series in 11 of those seasons. • The Jets had beaten the Patriots six of the previous seven meetings (seven of eight if you include the Lewis-Bledsoe game). • The Giants were the defending NFC champs. Bad Boston sports • The Patriots had never won a Super Bowl and were coming off a 6-10 season and began 2001 at 0-2 under second-year head coach Bill Belichick, who served as Jets head coach for one day in 2000. • The Red Sox hadn't won a World Series since 1918. Since Lewis' hit … Bad New York sports • The Mets have made just one postseason appearance, losing the 2006 NLCS to a Cardinals team that went 83-79. In 2007, the Mets completed the largest collapse in regular-season history by failing to hold a seven-game division lead with 17 games remaining. • The Jets lost to 2-12 Buffalo at home in Week 16 of 2001, costing them the AFC East title and a first-round bye, which ultimately went to the Patriots. The Jets are 2-11 against the Patriots and haven't won a playoff game since the Lewis hit. • The Yankees blew a 2-1, ninth-inning lead in Game 7 of the 2001 World Series, losing to the Diamondbacks and being denied a fourth consecutive championship. The Yankees haven't won a World Series since, suffering four first-round postseason defeats and a historic collapse in the 2004 ALCS after leading Boston three games to none. • The Knicks haven't won a playoff game. They have significant salary-cap issues. Team president and coach Isiah Thomas was found to have committed sexual harassment, costing Madison Square Garden an $11.5 million settlement. • The Giants hadn't won a playoff game until this season. The year they do reach the Super Bowl, they have to play the 18-0 Patriots. Good Boston sports • The Patriots became the preeminent team in the NFL. The Tuck Rule. The clutch Vinatieri field goals. Three Super Bowl championships. The acquisition of Randy Moss for a fourth-round pick. Eighteen-and-oh. Any questions? • The Red Sox have won two World Series. Buoyed by a bloody sock in 2004, they rallied from a three games-to-none deficit to slay the Yankees and sweep the Cardinals. In 2007, they rallied from a three games-to-one deficit to topple the Indians, en route to sweeping the Rockies. Timeline of the curse • Sept. 23, 2001: Lewis knocks Bledsoe from the game. Brady takes over as quarterback for Patriots. • Sept. 23, 2001: The Mets blow a three-run, ninth-inning lead against the Braves that would have cut New York's NL East deficit to 2½ games. • Sept. 29, 2001: The Mets blow a 5-1, ninth-inning lead against the Braves that would have cut New York's NL East deficit to three games. The Mets finish in third place, six games behind division champ Atlanta. • Sept. 30, 2001: In his first NFL start, Brady leads the 13-point underdog Patriots to a 44-13 home victory over the Colts, who had scored 87 points in their first two games. • Dec. 2, 2001: Trailing 13-0 at halftime, the visiting Patriots score 17 unanswered points to defeat the Jets 17-13 and move within a half game of first place in the AFC East. • Dec. 7, 2001: Jeff Van Gundy resigns as Knicks coach, ending one of the most successful tenures in team history. The Knicks advanced to the second round of the playoffs six times in seven seasons under Van Gundy, including a trip to the NBA Finals in 1999. • Dec. 30, 2001: Needing to win their final two games to clinch the AFC East and a first-round bye, the Jets lose to the 2-12 Bills at home. • Jan. 6, 2002: The Patriots clinch the AFC East and a first-round bye with a 38-6 victory over the Panthers. • Jan. 19, 2002: The Patriots defeat the Raiders in the "Tuck Rule" game to advance to the AFC Championship Game. • Jan. 27, 2002: As 10-point underdogs, the Patriots defeat the Steelers in Pittsburgh to advance to the Super Bowl. • Feb. 3, 2002: As 14-point underdogs, the Patriots defeat the Rams in Super Bowl XXXVI. • April 17, 2002: The Knicks finish in last place in the Atlantic Division for first time since 1986-87, which was also the last time they failed to reach the postseason. • Sept. 15, 2002: The visiting Patriots defeat the Jets 44-7, benefiting from a 90-yard touchdown on an interception return by ex-Jet Victor Green. • Sept. 29, 2002: The Mets finish in last place for the first time since 1993. • Oct. 5, 2002: The Yankees are eliminated in the first round of the playoffs for the first time since 1997, suffering a 9-5 loss to the Angels in Game 4 of the ALDS. • Jan. 5, 2003: The Giants blow a 38-14, second-half lead in an NFC wild-card game, ultimately losing 39-38 to the 49ers. • Sept. 28, 2003: The Mets finish in last place in the NL East at 66-95. The 95 losses are the team's most since 1993. • Oct. 5, 2003: The Patriots defeat the Titans 38-30, the first of 21 consecutive victories. • Oct. 25, 2003: The Yankees lose the World Series in six games as Josh Beckett tosses a five-hit shutout in the clincher. • Feb. 1, 2004: The Patriots defeat the Panthers 32-29 in Super Bowl XXXVIII on an Adam Vinatieri field goal with four seconds left. • April 25, 2004: The Knicks are eliminated in the first round of the Eastern Conference playoffs by the Nets in four games. • Oct. 3, 2004: The Mets finish the season 71-91, marking the first time since 1992-93 that they had consecutive 90-loss seasons. • Oct. 20, 2004: The Red Sox defeat the Yankees 10-3 in Game 7 of the ALCS, Boston's fourth consecutive win after falling behind three games to none. • Oct. 24, 2004: In a battle of 5-0 teams, the Patriots win their 21st consecutive game, 13-7 over the visiting Jets. • Oct. 27, 2004: The Red Sox win their first world championship since 1918 by completing a four-game sweep of the Cardinals. • Jan. 15, 2005: The Jets miss two field goal attempts in the final 2:15 that would have advanced them to the AFC Championship Game. The Jets go on to lose to Pittsburgh in overtime. • Feb. 6, 2005: The Patriots win their second consecutive Super Bowl -- and third in four years -- by defeating the Eagles, 24-21. • April 20, 2005: The Knicks finish last in the Atlantic Division for the third time in four years. • July 28, 2005: The Knicks hire Larry Brown, giving him a five-year contract worth between $50 million and $60 million, making him the highest-paid coach in NBA history. • Oct. 10, 2005: The Yankees lose 5-3 to the Angels in Game 5 of ALDS. • Jan. 1, 2006: The Jets finish the season 4-12, their worst record since going 1-15 under Rich Kotite in 1996. Coach Herm Edwards is allowed to leave for Kansas City, and the Jets hire Patriots defensive coordinator Eric Mangini to replace him. • Jan. 24, 2006: Isiah Thomas and MSG are sued for sexual harassment and retaliation by Anucha Browne Sanders. • April 19, 2006: The Knicks finish the season with 59 losses -- their most since 1985-86 -- despite having the highest payroll in the NBA. • June 22, 2006: The Knicks fire Brown, replacing him with president/GM Thomas. The team refuses to pay Brown the $40 million left on his contract, arguing that Brown "violated terms of his contract through various acts of insubordination." • Oct. 7, 2006: The Yankees are eliminated from the postseason with an 8-3 loss in Game 4 of the ALDS at Detroit. • Oct. 18, 2006: The Mets lose 3-1 to the Cardinals -- winners of 83 regular-season games -- in Game 7 of the NLCS at home. The loss ends an 11-game win streak for the home team in a Game 7 after it had won Game 6. • Jan. 7, 2007: The Patriots defeat the Jets 37-16 in an AFC wild-card game. • April 18, 2007: The Knicks finish the season 33-49 and miss the playoffs for the fifth time in six seasons. • Sept. 9, 2007: The Patriots open the season by defeating the Jets 38-14, led by Randy Moss (nine catches for 183 yards and a touchdown), whom the Patriots acquired for a fourth-round draft pick. • Sept. 30, 2007: The Mets are eliminated from postseason contention with an 8-1 loss to the Marlins. The loss was the 12th in 17 games for New York, which blew a seven-game division lead in that span. No major league team had ever held a seven-game lead with 17 games remaining and not won its league or division. • Oct. 2, 2007: A jury rules that Thomas and MSG are liable for sexual harassment. MSG was found liable for punitive damages in an amount of $11.6 million, one of the largest sexual harassment judgments in history. The case is later settled for $11.5 million. • Oct. 7, 2007: Red Sox complete a three-game sweep of the Angels to advance to the ALCS. • Oct. 8, 2007: Yankees lose 6-4 to the Indians in Game 4 of the ALDS, the third consecutive season in which they're eliminated in the first round of the playoffs. It also marks the seventh season in a row that the Yankees have failed to win the World Series despite having baseball's highest payroll. • Oct. 14, 2007: The Patriots defeat the Cowboys 48-27 in a matchup of 5-0 teams. Brady throws five touchdown passes as the Patriots score their most points in 23 years. After falling behind 24-21, the Patriots outscore the Cowboys 27-3 to finish the game. • Oct. 18, 2007: The Joe Torre Era ends as he turns down the Yankees' one-year offer with a pay cut. Torre led the Yankees to 12 consecutive postseasons and four World Series titles. • Oct. 21, 2007: The Patriots defeat the Dolphins 49-28 as Brady throws a team-record six touchdown passes. Brady has 27 TD passes and just two interceptions through seven games, and the Patriots start 7-0 for the first time in team history. • Oct. 21, 2007: The Red Sox beat the Indians 11-2 in Game 7 of the ALCS to advance to the World Series, completing a comeback from a three games-to-one deficit. Boston outscored Cleveland 30-5 in the final three games, defeating two 19-game winners -- C.C. Sabathia and Fausto Carmona -- in the process. • Oct. 28, 2007: The Red Sox complete a four-game sweep of Colorado to win the World Series. They outscore the Rockies 29-10 and trail for only three innings the entire series. • Dec. 29, 2007: The visiting Patriots complete a 16-0 regular season, defeating the Giants 38-35. Brady sets an NFL record with his 50th touchdown pass of the season, and Moss establishes a new record with his 23rd touchdown catch. • Jan. 20, 2008: The Patriots earn their fourth trip to the Super Bowl in seven seasons with a 21-12 win over the Chargers, setting the stage for a New England-New York championship against the Giants, who outlast the Packers 23-20 in overtime.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs07/n...tory?id=3218946 Her analysis is about as sound as Skip Bayless. Monday, January 28, 2008 Camel picks Giants to end Patriots' run at perfection on Super Bowl Sunday Associated Press LACEY TOWNSHIP, N.J. -- The New York Giants have what it takes to get them over the hump in next week's Super Bowl. At least, that's according to a pigskin-picking camel named Princess who has chosen Big Blue to triumph over the New England Patriots. Her picks are nothing to spit at: Princess, who once belonged to heiress Doris Duke, went 11-6 during the regular season and is 8-out-of-10 in the playoffs this year. Her prowess is equal to that of some of the most famous forecasters. "I can't explain it, but her predictions, more often than not, are right on the money," said John Bergmann, general manager of Popcorn Park Zoo, the southern New Jersey facility for elderly, abused or unwanted animals where Princess has lived since 2004. "I'm hoping she's right this time because I'm a Giants fan." Princess' prognostication skills flow from her love of graham crackers. Bergmann will choose a game at random during the regular season, place a cracker in each hand, and use a permanent marker to scrawl the name of a competing team on each hand. Whichever hand Princess nibbles from is her "pick" for that week. Her regular season mark of 11-6 comes out to a .647 winning percentage. (Since she never quite got the hang of points spreads, Princess picks the games straight-up, just choosing the winner.) By comparison, Dave Goldberg, the Associated Press football writer who makes NFL picks each weekend, posted a .664 regular season percentage. ESPN's Ron Jaworski, the former Philadelphia Eagles quarterback, had a .688 mark, but Princess topped Mike Golic, another former Eagle on ESPN, who came in at .584. And in the interest of full disclosure, the camel also topped Wayne Parry (author of this story), whose score in a New Jersey Statehouse football pool came in at .640. Princess started out picking games for a local radio station in the 2006 season. But when the station didn't bring her back for 2007, Bergmann kept the tradition alive. It's the least he could do for an animal that was once the personal pet of heiress Doris Duke, the only child of tobacco and electric energy tycoon James Buchanan Duke. Doria Duke raised Princess and her sister Babe from youngsters, Bergmann said. The pair had their own barn and were taken on summer vacation to Duke's Rhode Island estate, he added. If weather became inclement, they were put up in the solarium, he said. After Duke's death in 1993, the camels stayed on her estate in Hillsborough. Babe died several years ago, leaving just Princess. When Princess' caretaker was about to retire, the estate offered Princess to Popcorn Park Zoo, which took her in. Her picks haven't always been perfect, though. "She actually picked the Giants a lot when they were losing, including opening day against Dallas," Bergmann said, referring to a 45-35 loss. But take heart, Giants fans: Princess knows a Manning-led champion when she sees one. She chose Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts to win last year's Super Bowl.

Game day decision, by the league. But they aren't gonna make the millionaire & billionaire "fans" that don't know the difference between a kick off and punt sit in rain, cold or hot weather.

I doubt they get many pre-sales. Pats fans aren't going to want to jinx, and nobody else is going to buy it. I am going to wait and order mine Sunday night when I get back from the sports bar.

Hum 72 degrees, no rain, no wind, florescent lights. Game is being played indoors. Food for thought..... After the Pats-Colts game many of the talking heads said that NE as a vertical passing team would not be able to go 16-0, because the team was built for warm weather or a dome. They said the perfect season would not survive the winter weather of Mass, MD, NJ, and Buffalo because the offense would not be able to continue to score a high number of points in wind, cold or wet weather. Turns out those talking heads were not far off the mark. Although their predictions of loses did not hold true the NE offense did struggle when the weather got bad. And the scores got a lot closer. Many of those same talking heads now say that NE offense has been on the decline, discounting their own original analysis that it would. In an indoor stadium (unless the weather is really nice in which case they will keep the roof open, but that also means it is really nice weather) the NE offense could very possibly return to the form it had during the first half of the season.

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An interesting read on the statistical differences in the teams. I am not one who puts too much stock into the 85 Bears beat the Patriots as having much bearing on this week game. Or that the Patriots did better against Dallas in the early part of the season than the Giants did. And I think week 17 proved it ain't a huge mismatch. http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Artic...he_Century.html

If the Giants lose this Sunday, they will be spoken about positively and the Cowboys and Colts will be dissed every year at week 17 when the question of do you rest or play your starters comes up for a team that has clinched. If nothing else that is the legacy of the Giants, Colts and Cowboys is rest = rust.

Thanks, I might. I prefer discussing football with fans of other teams. I mean how may Brady is better than Manning (Peyton) threads does one need? And different perspectives are interesting to read. Most of the folks on this board treat others with respect without heavy handed mods. In my opinion this is one of the better boards I have visited.

Lose one SB nobody remembers, lose four in a row, you go down in history. Just ask the only New York football team....

Belichick spend most a lot of his time in Cleveland fighting with owner. Kosar was done and it was time to bring in a new QB. I tend to think if he was allowed to run the show in Cleveland he would have been a successful coach there. And at the time, keeping in Brady was very unpopular with the fan base. Bledsoe was loved by the fans. Lots of callers on the talk radio shows were calling for Kraft to fire Belichick and put Bledsoe back in. There were some Brady supporters, but most of the fan base supported Bledsoe. Some even after the SB thought that the Pats should trade the rookie with one great season and keep the pro-bowler as the starter the next year. Also keep in mind Parcells record without Belichick is not very impressive. And those teams were always teams that won on defense not offense. After the SB in 2001, Kraft realized that the best thing he could do is just stay out of Bill's way, sit in his box, get drunk, and enjoy the game. I do agree, that Brady is the player in which the team is built and much of BB's success comes from having one of the greatest QB's ever. But 32 teams skipped on Brady 6 times. BB could saw something nobody else did. BB can keep bad asses like Moss and Harrison who could be a cancer anywhere else inline and productive. BB can get a 14-0 team to focus and take seriously the Dolphins. He is huge part of the Patriots success, and is probably a big reason the Giants got their two rings.

Although nobody ever is happy with their team losing, I think it would be fair to say that walking away from this season the NFC Champions would not be nearly the disappointment to Giants fans as it would be for Patriot fans to have their team go 18-1. And ultimately the season would be viewed as a huge success. I know in both '85 and '96 I proudly sported an AFC Championship T-shirt, the following season. If the Patriots lose this year I will not wear an AFC Championship shirt. '85 it was just a miracle we go there. And I saw '96 and Bill Parcells as the beginning of something great. I suspect a lot more Giants fans would sport an NFC Championship to Giant stadium next year if the Giants lose next week, then Patriot fans would sport AFC championship gear if the Patriots don't finish what they started. It is all about expectations. The Diamondbacks didn't have a disappointing season last year, the Yankees did. If the Patriots lose it will go down as the biggest choke in history. If the Giants lose there won't be any stigmitism. If the Giants lose now they will still have achieved more than anybody though possible at the beginning of the season, the mid point of the season, the start of the playoffs, before the Dallas game or even before the Green bay game.

Today that is true. If Belichick was to retire, Tom would thrive under any head coach. But if it was not for BB, nobody would have ever heard of Tom. BB wanted to draft him in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft. Kraft blocked that, but eventually relented late in the 6th round to keep his new head coach from going nuts. BB wanted to trade Bledsoe at the start of 2001 and start Tom Brady. Kraft went insane at that idea. When Bledsoe was cleared to return, Kraft wanted BB to bench Brady, but relented after a huge fight with BB. Kraft hasn't question BB since.

Actually Gillette is not in Boston. It is 30 miles away in Foxboro, closer to Providence than Boston. Just like the NEW JERSEY Giants.