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no rant, just got a few points.

 

6 yrs 103 mil essentially for dice k

5 yrs 70 mil for JD Drew

4 yrs 36 mil for Julio lugo

 

all of them have one thing in common, they have all proved they have talent, but have not proved to be elite players. 200 mil for 3 guys who havent done anything special in the MLB yet, thats fine.

 

Also, I dont ever wanna hear ever again from a red sox fan that the yankees spend too much.

 

oh yeah i also cant wait for the "lugo's better" chants :LMAO:

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no rant, just got a few points.

 

6 yrs 103 mil essentially for dice k

5 yrs 70 mil for JD Drew

4 yrs 36 mil for Julio lugo

 

all of them have one thing in common, they have all proved they have talent, but have not proved to be elite players. 200 mil for 3 guys who havent done anything special in the MLB yet, thats fine.

 

Also, I dont ever wanna hear ever again from a red sox fan that the yankees spend too much.

 

oh yeah i also cant wait for the "lugo's better" chants :LMAO:

 

Sweet music, like clockwork.

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Soon we can do our annual Red Sox vs. Yankees roster matchups. Well, wtf, I'll do it now as far as I can.

 

C - Varitek vs. Posada / Yankees

This should be a lot closer but it goes to the Yankees because of Varitek's wondrous year last year. Hope is that the lack of the WBC should enable Tek to play better this year but his collapse last year was so sudden that nobody is really sure.

 

1b - Youkilis vs. Phillips* / Red Sox

With his ability to get on base and hit for superior average, Youkilis should win this battle. Granted Phillips has yet to see consistent playing time...but most people think that the Yankees will sign an offensively adequate defensive first baseman to fill in the spot and we'll see then. As of now, Youkilis > Phillips.

 

2b - Pedroia vs. Cano / Yankees

Cano is just a plain better player right now. While the Sox hope to atone for their sins with the under five foot club (David Eckstein) by playing Pedroia, he has to go through some growing pains and it'd be a lot to hope for him to match Cano.

 

SS - Lugo vs. Jeter / Yankees

Wow, you're winning a lot of these in a rout...I don't like that. Lugo will fill in the offensive hole that Gonzalez left but can't hope to match the 18 million dollar player that Jeter is. What he will provide is good speed, tolerable average, and bordering on double digit power.

 

LF - Ramirez vs. Matsui / Red Sox

Finally, a rout in our favor. Ramirez is clearly one of the best hitters of the generation and will continue to be so. Last year he finally started hitting for average again and an actual #5 hitter in Drew will mean more pitches for Manny to hit. Matsui will hit .300 with 25 homers, 100 runs, 100 rbi and a .370 OBP or so but he's coming off of an injury and has yet to dazzle in the states. Still, that's a solid player to have.

 

CF - Crisp vs. Damon / Yankees

Damon will continue to be one of the best leadoff hitters in the major leagues, getting on base often and stealing bases. While a healthy Crisp should steal as much or more as Damon (especially considering he'll be at the bottom of the order), Damon will hit for more power. Both provide solid outfield defense with arms made out of wet spaghetti.

 

RF - Drew vs. Abreu / Yankees by a slight margin

Other than speed, these players are remarkably similar. Drew has the slight edge in power while Abreu will steal about 20 more bases. Both players will walk a lot and have high OBPs, leading to lots of runs if the bottom of the order delivers. Both players also have a reputation for taking the walk instead of reaching out to produce so we'll see if they change their styles change any.

 

DH - Ortiz vs. Giambi / Red Sox

As good a player as Giambi is, he doesn't hold a candle to David Ortiz. Okay, I lied, but Ortiz still wins. Giambi seems to have forgotten how to hit for average though he still has one of the best eyes in baseball. Ortiz, who had more walks than Giambi last year, will reach base at an equal clip though because of "intentional" walks.

 

Both lineups are solid through and through but the Yankees win out this time. Numerous players will be coming off of injury plagued seasons so it remains to be seen what Crisp, Varitek, and Matsui will deliver. Both teams are bound to lead the league in OBP and runs though.

 

As for the pitching rotations.

 

Schilling, Beckett, Matsuzaka, Papelbon, Wakefield vs. Mussina, Pettite, Wang, Johnson, Igawa/prospect/Pavano

 

Okay, I'm tired now...so I'll give the Sox rotation a slight edge because of age and the potential of Beckett, Matsuzaka, and Papelbon. The bullpens have yet to be fully developed, but the Yankees win that too because of a set closer. I'd love to go into pitching more but I'm hungry and food > you. These two powerhouses remain close though, which always makes for great stories.

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As for the pitching rotations.

 

Schilling, Beckett, Matsuzaka, Papelbon, Wakefield vs. Mussina, Pettite, Wang, Johnson, Igawa/prospect/Pavano

 

Okay, I'm tired now...so I'll give the Sox rotation a slight edge because of age and the potential of Beckett, Matsuzaka, and Papelbon. The bullpens have yet to be fully developed, but the Yankees win that too because of a set closer. I'd love to go into pitching more but I'm hungry and food > you. These two powerhouses remain close though, which always makes for great stories.

 

 

when you say age and potential i know what you're talking about. But i'd rather have age and developed talent, something i like to call chien ming wang. Yeah the 26 yr old kid who finished 2nd in Cy young voting last year :TU:

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when you say age and potential i know what you're talking about. But i'd rather have age and developed talent, something i like to call chien ming wang. Yeah the 26 yr old kid who finished 2nd in Cy young voting last year :TU:

 

Experts never deny that Beckett has great stuff and I feel that he has had success in the past and you can't count a guy out. It's stuff he needs to learn...not really a lack of ability. As to Wang, I expect more great pitching, but the performances of sinkerball pitchers can vary from year to year. I'd be more afraid of Randy Johnson than Wang right now.

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Experts never deny that Beckett has great stuff and I feel that he has had success in the past and you can't count a guy out. It's stuff he needs to learn...not really a lack of ability. As to Wang, I expect more great pitching, but the performances of sinkerball pitchers can vary from year to year. I'd be more afraid of Randy Johnson than Wang right now.

 

yeah what beckett needs to learn is his 96 mph fastball right over the heart of the plate can be caught up by hitters in the AL East, he's not pitching to pitchers and Endy Chavez anymore.

 

scouts say wang has the nastiest sinker in the game. He doesn't pitch for k's, he's pitches for quick outs. He should be solid.

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yeah what beckett needs to learn is his 96 mph fastball right over the heart of the plate can be caught up by hitters in the AL East, he's not pitching to pitchers and Endy Chavez anymore.

 

scouts say wang has the nastiest sinker in the game. He doesn't pitch for k's, he's pitches for quick outs. He should be solid.

 

Can't deny that. I would still prefer Boston's rotation though. Time will tell how our predictions work out. Hmm, maybe I should check last year's predictions and figure out how our arguments turned out.

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Oops, somehow I lost third base...and of course you win with Alex Rodriguez vs. Mike Lowell. We'll win defensively but with A-rod most likely surpassing his "off season", there's no doubt who the more valuable player will be. Dammit, baseball can't come any faster.

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Oops, somehow I lost third base...and of course you win with Alex Rodriguez vs. Mike Lowell. We'll win defensively but with A-rod most likely surpassing his "off season", there's no doubt who the more valuable player will be. Dammit, baseball can't come any faster.

Come on man, it's December! Enjoy the giants in another heated playoff race!

 

Think about how sweet it would be if we can actually become a #2 seed. It's possible!

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Just to spark some arguments, here are some respected projections for Daisuke Matsuzaka:

 

ZiPS: 186 IP, 15 wins, 3.44 ERA, 1.18 WHIP, 6.3 K/9

 

PECOTA/Baseball Prospectus: 187.3 IP, 4.01 ERA, 1.28 WHIP, 8.0 K/9

 

Hardball Times (conservative translation of '05 stats): 215 IP, 3.44 ERA, 7.9 K/9

 

Ron Shandler: 185 IP, 15 wins, 3.46 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 9.5 K/9

 

Rotoauthority.com: 210 IP, 15 wins, 3.41 ERA, 1.22 WHIP, 8.2 K/9

 

Me: 540 IP, 46 wins, 1.84 ERA, 0.89 WHIP, 1,000,000,000.6 K/9

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