boohyah

I tell you, that new stadium they are moving into looks awesome.

Such a shame to see them like that. I remember the Howard Kendall league winning teams. Fucking good squad.

2 hours ago, mastershake said:

Yep. 5 of the Giants 10 passing TDs this season have been against the Commanders, lol. They're pretty awful.

We really gotta bring in a hypnotist each week for our QBs "You're playing the Washington Commanders this Sunday....you are playing against the Washington Commanders....the team you are playing this sunday is the Washington Commanders."

The sign behind the goalposts says "hail to the commanders". Doesn't exactly roll off the tongue. That franchise is so fucked up.

I am sure Zeitler is perfectly fine with his situation.

In fairness, tunsil had 13 other teams turn him down. But yeah I wish we took a chance.

Dont get carried away. That redskin defensive backfield isn't very good 

1 hour ago, gmenroc said:

Winning coverz many ills

Guys still have to maintain levels. Some guys who played well last season have regressed this year.

5 minutes ago, BlueInCanada said:

He was able to take the modest contract since he was still getting a payday from us. 

To be fair too he wasn't playing well here. 

Add another player who got better once leaving the team. 

He was still the best player on the line when he left. It wasn't his best season but we were that bad.

17 minutes ago, mastershake said:

Booting Zeitler off the team, only to see him sign an incredibly modest 3 year $22M deal elsewhere, so we could sign Kenny Golladay at 4 years $72M,  has to be the dumbest move in team history.

 

Agreed. I have no issue signing a wide receiver but giving up our best offensive lineman to do it . Well, Dave was just smarter than all of us that year and we've paid dearly for it since.

Hernandez lost his place in his last season, to Shane Lemieux.

Same Lemieux who can't see the field worth a damn on this team.

I think that's enough on him.

The other point you make, my answer is this, couldn't you say that about every player?. We have the same coaches this year as last year and clearly some players are playing worse this year.  Look at guys like McKinney and Jackson, you can't say they've been better this year, yet they all loved Wink last year, so what's wrong this year?

At best the Giants will finish 7-10, that's still likely to get us in the top 6. And I expect Schoen is going to use that extra 2 to move up. 

Bears are the interesting one. They are going to find it hard not to go with Williams or Maye. Justin Fields probably goes for a second.

9 minutes ago, Sephiroth said:

Because this season is over, but there will be other seasons and losing provides you with more and better options to fix your broken team.

Really?. Before last year we had 6 picks in the top ten in 5 drafts. How's that working out?.

38 minutes ago, gmenroc said:

But is the reason on the player who didn't perform or the coaches who put them in shitty positions or couldn't communicate plays effectively?

Yeah, we uad to move on, but it is curious the player did well enough to be drafted/signed here and soes well enough now...but didn't do well here.

Maybe in the case of Hernandez, not getting resigned is a wake up call to get his shit together, so any improvement elsewhere may be down to that. But he was disappointing under 2 head coaches. And to put in context, it's documented here how happy I was we got him in the second.

Also, not for nothing, no coach tells you "please don't follow up on your blocks". The guy often set his initial block and stopped.

Nick Gates is at best decent, but nothing more and he was overpaid by DC (not surprising). He never earned a contract that big from us, and try to give JMS a chance before running his PFF numbers and saying he's a bust. It's too early.

You want to base this off PFF. Fleming PFF in 2020 was 58.4. So based off of that, would any of you trusted him with another contract?.

Wink is a do or die coach. He runs the same plays whether he has the players or not and it got him tossed in Baltimore, when he was isolating rookie and backup corner. Harbaugh was going nuts.

Not sure I'll ever understand why fans want their team to lose games. Bizarre.

On 11/18/2023 at 10:05 AM, mastershake said:

Elsewhere:

G Kevin Zeitler: $5.2M cap hit, PFF rating 68.9

G Will Hernandez: $5.3M, PFF 64.4

G/C Nick Gates: $3.3M PFF 60.6

T Cam Fleming (2022): $2.3M PFF 72.6

So if we had two or three of these guys, compared to the below, we'd basically have an average offensive line, instead of an abysmal offensive line, for less than $14M.

Compared to current Giants (PFF):

Bredeson: 43.6

McKethan: 46.1

JMS: 49.4

Phillips: 52.9

Pugh: 49.6

Neal: 39.8

Peart: 35.8

Somehow Glowinski is at a PFF of 64, despite giving up 6 sacks.

Apart from Zeitler, the other 3 did nothing that made them worth keeping while they were here.

Can't keep going back revisiting guys who might now be doing better elsewhere. They are gone for a reason.

13 hours ago, mastershake said:

I knew Bredeson and Glowinski were backups at best. JMS, Ezeudu, and Neal were unproven, and therefore question marks.

Moral of the story. Don't go into the season leaving 4 out of 5 OL spots to wishful thinking. You can get away with 1 out of 5 of those, and maybe 2 out of 5, if all the other OL positions are solid.

You may have thought those things, but Glowinski started in Indy and was brought in to start, Neal was drafted to start, JMS was drafted to start.

As bad as the offensive line is, these guys were brought in to replace the absolute shit of a line we had in Gettlemens last year. The fact that it isn't working out like we hoped doesn't mean that wasn't the intent.

Rashawn Slater and Christian Darrishaw were there for the Giants in 2021. Instead we drafted a knucklehead who's mess Schoen had to clean up. That we did not address the line that season has come back to haunt us. You don't draft a stud tackle and then ignore the situation the following year like you fixed the line. We may not have needed Neal or Glowinski. That draft killed us.

4 minutes ago, mastershake said:

They went into the season with question marks at 4 out of 5 starting positions, and instead allocated $25M to Barkley, Leonard Williams, and Paris Campbell 🤷‍♂️. You're free to be content with this approach. How'd it go?

Who said I was content, but you saw our roster last year right?. You don't want to improve other areas also?. You mention Parris Campbell, Parris Campbell's play with the Colts would have made him the number # 1 receiver on our squad.

Glowinski wasn't a question mark, he was the starter and was signed to be. Neal was the starter at Tackle and neither you or I knew at the beginning of the season he'd struggle like this. JMS was going to be the center when he was drafted, that's pretty obvious. The only "question" was the other guard spot, but they seemed to think Ezeudu or Brederson would work out. They got that wrong, but even then he addressed that with Pugh. Not a great answer, but still an answer.

I understand the approach they took, but like anything else, some of it didn't work. Schoen has made more sense these last 2 years than the previous 7-8. He was also handed a shitshow to deal with and he made deals in the offseason that locked in our 2 best players and gave contracts to others that didn't tie our hands down the line like Getty did. If Waller doesn't work, he's gone. Jones probably gone next year. Williams and Adoree come off the books next year. I see enough out of the guy to believe he'll improve the team.

14 minutes ago, mastershake said:

It takes a front office seriously interested in prioritizing it, which they currently don't have. Going into the season with question marks at 4 out of 5 positions on the OL was a choice. Allocating $25M in cap to Barkley, Leonard Williams, and Paris Campbell, instead of the OL, was a choice.

The offensive line is bad because the current front office refused to do enough when they could have.

Again, they did more in 2 years than the previous GM did in 4. They addressed it through the draft which is how they should. You can Neal is a bust and it's heading that way but the same kid was at one time the projected #1 and we got him at 7 and he wouldn't have last by 10. It's just not working out.

Gettleman dropped the ball 3 years ago when he decided he was smarter than the entire world and said we didn't need to address the o-line in the draft and that we were alright. You simply can't do that and we're paying for it since. I have no doubt that these guys know they have to address it in a big way. Problem now is offensive line does not look promising in free agency, so it's likely Giants are going to have to take a QB in the top 6 next year and perhaps trade the 2 number #2's in to a first to get back in to address the o-line.

10 minutes ago, BronxRik said:

I will gladly eat my words if we end up 9-8. 

Ah that bet has to be more than words.

6 minutes ago, BronxRik said:

Just an awful season. Awful. 

You won't be saying that in January when we are 9-8.

4 minutes ago, BlueInCanada said:

 

Thought it was the prime time game, came back to watch the end of the Seahawks v Commies game.  

Sorry if I wasn't here for you lol 

You're like a bullshit factory.

But you always show up at the end of the game you are not watching, Amazing how you know.

Fucking celebrating plays down 30 points. These fucking guys should be gone in the morning.

7 hours ago, UK-Giantsfan said:

i was thinking about coming over for the Jets game last Sunday ......equally glad that i didnt !

All pumped up because we beat Fulham.

Underlying issue there is, I was surprised how poor Fulham were.

35 minutes ago, mastershake said:

I'm speaking about the two specific games where we averaged less than 10 pts.

The Giants don't have more points on the board against the Bills because they made a bad call ay the end of the first half and a blatant hold prevented the last score.

They didn't score more against the Jets because they didn't trust the qb to run the offense properly. That couldn't be more obvious. And 2 missed field goals. 

The offensive line was better the last 2 games than they were the previous 4. Obviously if they were better it would be beneficial, but they don't kick field goals or throw or catch the ball. Let's be fair here.