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1 hour ago, BlueInCanada said:

Also love the fact that no one really knows what the Giants are doing.

Are they trying to trade up? Down? Is it JJ? Do they have a package for pick #3? Do they stay put and pick BPA? Do they really want a QB this year? Are they rolling with Jones? Lock? 

I feel like if this was Gettleman, he would of been gushing over someone like he did Jones after the senior bowl.

 

Yeah if this was Gettleman or Reese, he'd be talking about how much he loves Nabers only to have the three QBs, Harrison, and Nabers all be taken and then we'd pick Ereck Flowers. 

This morning I read that an AFC scout said that the Pats really don't like Maye (not a smokescreen) and if Daniels is gone they're open to trading out of that spot. 

Also the JJ love from the Giants is a smokescreen hoping that if the Vikes trade up they pick JJ over Maye, the latter of whom is who they really like. 

It's happening fellas.   That gasmask video is really doing the trick. 

3 hours ago, BronxRik said:

Gonna need it to sign JJ. 

 

You get the fuck outta here with that shit!

We already have a slow DE with no instincts who can't rush the passer in Boogie Basham. 

Man, what're we going to do without Jihad Ward and his 46 PFF rating?

I wonder if Holmes can recapture some of his early career form in the new defensive system. 

One has to wonder just how far he'll slide now that this news is out. 

3 minutes ago, BlueInCanada said:

I will say this about the whole McCarthy narrative. 

With the Vikings getting some ammo to move up and grab McCathy say at #4 or 5, there seems to be a consensus that this would be the right thing to do, that he's worth the trade.

But when the talks of the Giants taking JJ at #6 suddenly there's talks and comparison to them reaching for Jones.

Just the hypocrisy of the NFL media, one team trading for him is great, the other staying put and taking him is the wrong move. 

Which is why I think this whole JJ hype is a smokescreen to get the Vikings to flinch, maybe even trade with the Giants. 

I keep reading that the Pats don't like Maye.  Dream scenario is the Commanders take Daniels, Vikes trade wtih the Pats and grab McCarthy, Drake falls to us at #6. 

Hey a guy can dream. 

Let's hope.

1 hour ago, gmenroc said:

King is one I have had my eye on in drafts so far.  Cooper Beebe, G, in the 2nd is another one.

What did you think of Beebe?  I liked some of his tape (he's very big and strong) but he really seemed to have a hard time moving laterally and adjusting to strong DEs that can get him moving that way. 

C'mon, Washington!   Do the wrong thing! 

Thanks man. I think I may like Odunze more than Nabers at this point but I'd be happy with either.  I think we'd have to trade up for Penis as well. 

Whelp, here we are again.  Seph is left to fix the Giants because our front office is totally inept. 

Imagine how things would be if we didn’t have to sign 4 offensive linemen because we had drafted well.  Just think of how things would be if we had a high 2nd round pick because we didn’t waste it in a package to get a 9 sack/year EDGE player. 

So Joe Schoen didn’t listen to me.  That’s fine, I’m happy to take his job in two years when it becomes obvious JJ McCarthy isn’t the answer.  But he should really start listening to me. 

Before we begin though, I’m going to lay the groundwork for how I came across the picks in my draft: 

This mock assumes that there are no trades.  If I were Schoen, I would be trying to trade out of the #6 spot if the big 3 QBs are all gone (Williams, Maye, Daniels).  Too many variables to go with in something like this though (who knows who the trade partners are, what they’d give up, etc), so I’m just saying “no trades.”  I’ll also say this though;  if we can trade with Minnesota so they can waste their pick on JJ McCarthy, we should be running to the phone to do so.

I threw out any mocks that didn’t have those three QBs going 1-2-3.  There were a few mocks where Maye or Daniels was available, but I didn’t count those. Those guys aren't gonna be there, and that's just a reality we have to deal with.  But hey, we did win three games with Tommy DeVito, and not only do we all feel great about that but the Commanders and Patriots are really kicking themselves that they lost those games in the Fall.  Man, did we show them. 

The first three rounds of these mocks were done through PFF’s mock draft simulator, but they want you to pay for later rounds.  Later rounds were completed through Pro Football Network’s mock draft simulator since it’s free. 

Ok, so without further ado, here’s who we should draft:

Round 1, Pick 6 overall: Malik Nabers, WR - The big 3 QBs and Odunze/Harrison are all off the board, but I don’t care because I’m running to pick Nabers up.  Aside from his ridiculous athletic ability, the guy gets all the little things right to get open - head fakes, false steps, etc.  I worry a bit because of his size and because he reminds me of a better Odell, but he should be a difference-maker for the next eight years if he stays healthy. 

Round 2, pick 47 overall:  Michael’s Junior Penis, QB - I’m initially kind of pissed to see Jordan Morgan, Kamren Kinchens, and T’Vondre Sweat all available with the pick we gave to Carolina, but I get over it when I see Penis.   I’m not sure he’ll actually be here in real life but I have seen reports that Penis has slumped on draft boards, and I’m happy to pick him up here.  Big arm, generally makes good decisions, and while I’m worried about his durability on a line that’s gone from historically bad to possibly average, I’m happy to try Penis here. 

Round 3, pick 70 - Trey Benson, RB.  Once again, I’m amazed that a player of Benson’s caliber is here (note to Joe Schoen;  this is how you do this, you snatch up talent that fell, you don’t reach for guys two and three rounds early).  Benson in my opinion is one of only three or four backs in the draft worth spending a pick on.  My gut tells me Dallas is going to take him the round before this, but the kid has decent-to-good vision, upper-level speed (though not elite), and good enough power to break through arm tackles.  Oh yeah, he catches and blocks too.  At this spot he’s a steal and I’m racing to draft him. 

Round 4, Pick 107 Calen King CB - King doesn’t have great size and isn’t the twitchiest corner in the world, and his 4.61 40 time scares me a little bit. But what he does have is smarts and tenacity. We’re thin at corner and I think this guy will develop into a good slot player who can also play the boundary in a pinch.   

Round 5, Pick 166 Jared Wiley, TE - another guy I can’t believe is here, he was supposed to go in the 4th. A little raw, but the athletic talent is undeniable.  If/when Darren Waller gets hurt or retires, this is a guy who can step in and you don’t lose that much.  With a few years of seasoning he may develop into a comparable player. 

Round 6, Pick 183 - LaDarious Henderson, G - Sure, he played OT at Michigan quite a bit, but he’s definitely a guard in the NFL.  Not sure how he’s still here, but the man plays with a low center of gravity and is strong and tenacious.  Definitely a quality backup right away with the ability to develop into a starter. 

So that’s it, that’s my team.  I have no idea what we’re going to do about safety, but Joe Schoen didn’t really leave me with many good options after passing on Jordan Poyer this offseason so I blame him.  As usual, you can take it to the bank that there’s at least six All-Pros in this list. 

2 hours ago, BlueInCanada said:

I just mean it usually isn't a good thing, for QBs anyways. 

Trey Lance was a 3rd round pick until suddenly he was the next best thing, now he's a backup in Dallas. 

See I can understand a WRs or positional players stock going up and down before the draft because combine skills typically translate well enough for those positions.

A QB throwing at a combine or pro workout doesn't show really anything their college tape doesn't show. 

So I never understood how suddenly a QB just rises up draft boards when he's the same player he was pre and post combine. 

Sure a DB shows up and runs a 4.3 40, hey maybe he's faster than what tape shows.

A QB nails an interview, he's still the same QB as he was in college. 

McCarthy by all accounts is a second round pick who over the last few weeks is suddenly a top 10 guy? 

I don't believe it lol all the smoke screen hype. 

This is how I feel about it too.  I think the Combine is to confirm or assess some things you may have seen on tape... "was this corner fast or did he play lesser competition," "this RB has power but how is his speed," etc.  I don't understand the McCarthy's and Trey Lances where you see what they are (a 2nd-3rd round talent) but suddenly they're a top-5 picks after no additional games played.  Makes zero sense to me. 

1 hour ago, mastershake said:

Didn't DJ also "wow them" at the Senior Bowl practices or something?

Oh god, Spencer Rattler wowed people at the Senior Bowl practices this year too, even though he was only average in the regular season, and downright shitty at times....fuck I hope Schoen doesn't take Rattler in the 2nd or something.

The really funny thing is I remember the Big Blue Kickoff Live podcast talking about how Jones didn't look special at all at Senior Bowl practices or in the game and then when Gettleman drafted him they had to backpedal and talk about all the potential he had and how great he would be.  I remember posting right after the draft his Senior Bowl tape and basically saying, "is there anyone here who is in 'full bloom love' after seeing this tape?"

And now we may be about to make the same mistake again.  I hope we learned our lesson but since we just paid 150 million to a 9 sack/season EDGE I'm not overly confident right now. 

8 hours ago, mastershake said:

Sounds awful. I am not aligned with McCarthy as a #1 pick. So many of his completions are underneath or simple stop or out routes. It was also a run heavy offense that never really leaned on him in the passing game.

Yeah I don't get it... must be groupthink. He was an average QB, no real special talent, lots of high and off-target passes, and in the biggest moments of the biggest games his coach didn't want to put the ball in his hands.

Like, what am I missing here? "He studies film?" Davis Webb studied film too and had a better arm.

Dude's an ok-to-good QB, you take those guys in the 2nd round.

1 hour ago, BlueInCanada said:

I still think it's a massive smoke screen to get some team to desperately trade with the Giants, or we are madly in love with a WR. 

Or maybe Schoen has a trade for pick #2/3 and doesn't want it to get out.

Still don't understand how a QB who was a second round guy is suddenly a top 10 pick.

But then again we seen Jones drafted. 

I'd love if we traded back with Minnesota, got #11 and #23 and took BPA at each pick. 

7 minutes ago, Mr. P said:

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/NYGiants/s/SKxYIcUEQh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

pretty poor comparison, not close. 

I was really more comparing the Giants reaching for an average college QB with the sixth pick based on potential.   

You know what... Joe Schoen is apparently pulling money out of thin air, I'm also signing Danielle Hunter for his two year, 48 million deal.

Death to the Eagles.

Death to the Eagles.

We signed Aaron Stinnie from the Bucs too.

I was honestly hoping we'd bring back Gates since he plays 4 positions on the line and graded out pretty well last year. It does sound like this guy improved this past year though.

41st out of 41 though... oof.

15 minutes ago, Mr. P said:

 

 

why?    Because he wasn’t thought of as highly before the combine?

My view on him lines up almost exactly with NFL.com's analysis of him. 

In a nutshell, he looks like he could be a competent starter and nothing more, with developmental potential. That's not a top-10 pick, that's a guy you take a shot on in the second or third round. 

When I look at him, I say, "he's fine."  You need top-10 picks to be more than fine, they need to be playmakers. 

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Overview

Enigmatic quarterback lacking the measurables and splash throws associated with early round quarterbacks but possessing elements that require more study and consideration. McCarthy lacks frame thickness and a plus arm. He’s fairly poised in the pocket but is average as a pocket passer. His ball placement and timing need to improve to help mitigate an average operation time due to a windup release. McCarthy doesn’t seek to play out of structure but is fairly consistent at making positive plays when it happens and ramps up his focus late in games and on third downs. He is confident and seems to have the ability to take slights and digest it as competitive fuel. McCarthy should continue to improve as a passer, but he fails to stand out in many of the areas that tend to be predictive of top-level success in the NFL.