BlueInCanada

5th round. We still have two fourths.

I believe it was to stop any team from trading up with the Vikings to take Richardson.

Just as a note, as a football fan, I loved the draft so far. All the trades and with the new CBA teams being able to trade up and get who they want without worrying about having to sign a top ten pick to a 150 million dollar contract. Cant wait for the next couple rounds.

You want them to trade their franchise RB which is the only thing winning games for them? It's like saying someone should trade us a third and get Eli in return.

Trent Richardson, to the Broooons.

So second round mock up on at NFL.com 33. St. Louis Rams: Cordy Glenn, Georgia, G/OT: Jeff Fisher would love to rebuild the Rams' offensive with big, athletic blockers with position flexibility. Glenn certainly fits the bill. 34. Indianapolis Colts: Coby Fleener, Stanford, TE: Colts are excited to pick up Andrew Luck's favorite target at the top of the round. 35. Baltimore Ravens: Jonathan Martin, Stanford, OT: Ozzie Newsome should tab Martin as the eventual successor to Bryant McKinnie at left tackle despite concerns regarding the Stanford tackle's temperament and effort. 36. Denver Broncos: Jerel Worthy, Michigan State, DT: John Fox wants to beef up the Broncos' frontline with more athletic big bodies in the middle. 37. Cleveland Browns: Rueben Randle, LSU, WR: Mike Holmgren continues to remake the Browns' offense by adding a polished pass catcher with outstanding size, speed and ball skills. 38. Jacksonville Jaguars: Andre Branch, Clemson, DE: The Jaguars' pass rush desperately needs an explosive edge rusher like Branch in the rotation. 39. St. Louis Rams: Stephen Hill, Georgia Tech, WR: Sam Bradford would welcome a big, athletic target like Hill to feature in the passing game. 40. Carolina Panthers: Alshon Jeffery, South Carolina, WR: The Panthers need to surround Cam Newton with a host of dynamic weapons in the passing game. Jeffery's size and athleticism make him a tough guard, particularly in the red zone. 41. Buffalo Bills: Mike Adams, Ohio State, OT: Buddy Nix is not content with the Bills' offensive tackle situation, so taking a flier on the talented Adams is a sensible selection at this point. 42. Miami Dolphins: Bobby Massie, Ole Miss: With Marc Colombo officially retired, the Dolphins could use a physical right tackle to shore up offensive line. 43. Seattle Seahawks: Zach Brown, North Carolina, LB: Pete Carroll wants to improve the speed and athleticism of Seahawks' linebacker corps. Brown's extraordinary explosiveness makes him a perfect fit. 44. Kansas City Chiefs: Mychal Kendricks, Cal, ILB: The Chiefs have knocked their recent drafts out of the park by consistently selecting tough, productive players like Kendricks in early rounds. 45. St. Louis Rams: Lamar Miller, Miami, RB: Steven Jackson is starting to slow down, so the time is right to add an explosive complementary runner to shoulder some of the offensive load. 46. Philadelphia Eagles: Lavonte David, Nebraska, OLB: Andy Reid is intent on rebuilding his defense with athletic playmakers with instincts and awareness. 47. New York Jets: Courtney Upshaw, Alabama, OLB: The Jets' defense has taken a step back without an established pass rusher to press the pocket off the edge. Upshaw isn't explosive but is a gritty competitor with a knack for getting to the quarterback. 48. New England Patriots: Trumaine Johnson, Montana, CB: The Patriots' secondary needs a facelift after surrendering numerous big plays in 2011. Johnson is a big, physical corner with excellent movement skills who could be a potential starter. 49. San Diego Chargers: Peter Konz, Wisconsin, G/C: The recent retirement of Kris Dielman and declining performance of Nick Hardwick makes it imperative for the Chargers to add a fundamentally sound player on the interior. 50. Chicago Bears: Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama, CB: If GM Phil Emery can find a comfort level with Jenkins' off-field issues, the selection of Jenkins would significantly upgrade the talent in the secondary. 51. Philadelphia Eagles: Bernard Pierce, Temple, RB: LeSean McCoy is an outstanding playmaker, but the Eagles need to add a big, physical runner to the rotation to handle some of the dirty work between the tackles. 52. Tennessee Titans: Devon Still, Penn State, DT: The Titans lost Jason Jones in free agency, so the team needs to find an imposing interior defender with size and strength. 53. Cincinnati Bengals: Vinny Curry, Marshall, DE: Marvin Lewis would love to add a hard-working edge player with rush skills. Curry is an underrated disruptive force as a pass rusher, and his presence would certainly bolster the Bengals' rush efforts. 54. Detroit Lions: Kelechi Osemele, Iowa State, G: Martin Mayhew might continue his efforts to upgrade the pass protection around Matthew Stafford with the addition of Osemele. 55. Atlanta Falcons: Dwayne Allen, Clemson, TE: It is time for the Falcons to find an eventual replacement for Tony Gonzalez. 56. Pittsburgh Steelers: Brandon Thompson, Clemson, NT: Casey Hampton is nearing the end of his career, so it is time for the Steelers to find a possible successor at nose tackle. Thompson isn't ideally suited to play the position at this time, but he has the frame to grow into the role within a year. 57. Denver Broncos: Brock Osweiler, Arizona State, QB: Osweiler is not a finished product at this point, but he could develop into a franchise-caliber quarterback after serving an apprenticeship behind Peyton Manning for a few years. 58. Houston Texans: Tommy Streeter, Miami, WR: The Texans' receiving corps needs a legitimate vertical threat to alleviate some of the pressure on Andre Johnson. Streeter possesses the size and athleticism to create mismatches against one-on-one coverage. 59. Green Bay Packers: Kendall Reyes, Connecticut, DT: Reyes is the ideal five-technique to line up beside Clay Matthews in the Packers' 3-4. He possesses the length to win against power players, but also flashes enough first-step quickness to press the pocket off the edge. 60. Baltimore Ravens: Janzen Jackson, McNeese State, S: Ed Reed's illustrious career is coming to a close, so Ozzie Newsome will look to long and hard at Jackson as a possible replacement. 61. San Francisco 49ers: Amini Silatolu, Midwestern State, G: Silatolu could become an immediate starter for the 49ers if Trent Baalke makes the move at this point. Silatolu is still raw and unrefined in several aspects of his game but would be a nice value pick for the 49ers in the second round. 62. New England Patriots: Josh Robinson, Central Florida, CB: The Patriots have already addressed this need with a previous pick, but Robinson's combination of speed and quickness makes him an intriguing option at this point. 63. New York Giants: Jamell Fleming, Oklahoma, CB: The Giants are loaded at cornerback, but Fleming brings size, length and exceptional instincts to the table. Wonder if the Giants will package the extra fourth and maybe even Osi to trade up.

I <3 you Venny. I'm glad we can agree there, yes you can make a correlation between draft grades and where a player is selected. Obviously Luck is the best player in the draft, the grades show it and he was taken first over all which he should be. I just dont think you can look at Wilson and say "He's only ranked such and such the Giant's should of done this" When in all honesty the Giants have been doing fine with what they have been doing and know much more about the Giants then any of us ever will. They felt like they got a player that will help them win and hopefully get us lifting up another Lombardi and picking at 32 again so we can have this debate all over again next year And who's to say some of these O-line dont slide to us, a second round O-line is probably just as good then an O-line picked at 32.

I dont think a single person has denied the correlation. Obviously people are rated on where they should be coming out of college. I was just saying that there is alot more to drafting a player then looking at some grade or rating. But like you said live and let live. Let's hope Wilson turns out to be the player he is since obviously Reese and CO felt like he is worth the 32nd pick.

Not to mention how do you account for busts and sleepers? Guys like Tom Brady who probably wouldnt even have a grade on him coming out of college but then out performing anyone in his draft.

Not to mention more then one source then ESPN. Especially when multiple sites have differing grades and player positions. Not accounting for the 100s of "expert" mock drafts out there.

I'm still sticking with what I'm saying, the Giants drafted the best player for them at 32.

Well according to you they dont. Since obviously they chose the worst player they could at pick 32 today.

This thread has gotten to so far off topic it's next to pathetic. I'm happy with the pick Venny, the Giants got a player that they the Giants you know the team you say you root for and have won two Superbowls in the last five years, wanted. Honestly there isnt anything more to say to it then that. Reese has shown to know what he is doing, regardless of following some mathematical formula.

Here's the NFL draft grade system. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/tracker/by-round#dt-tabs:dt-by-grade/dt-by-grade-input:1 According to it outside of the first and second pick of the draft, every single grade didnt correspond with their draft location.

You didnt prove anything really. I would like to see more examples then one draft, as a statistician you should know one sample of a single round of a draft is nothing to make a claim on. So please, use your statistician trade to prove what you mean.

Prove it. "The Relationship holds true" If this was the case the draft wouldnt even need to be a selection process, just line the players up from 1 to 32 with best rating to last and have the team take the player on where they are in the draft. Dont even factor in team needs or personnel.

See now I can just laugh at what you are saying. You are assuming that every single player will play based on their grade and take no account of busts or sleepers. What happens when Luck ends up looking like Ryan Leaf if such a thing happens? Then according to your data the highest rated player in the draft could potential become one of the worst to come from the draft. Once again Venny, the Giants got a player that they wanted and was the best player that could fit the team. You are making an argument that the Giants shouldn't even bother trying to scout players and just used a grade system based on websites like ESPN, FOX and not even take into account their own personnel or game plan. I would like to see previous drafts with corresponded ratings and what the player actually lived up to in their career. If you can actually show a pattern of a high end grade player having better ratings then lower graded players, then I guess you can make something of a case.

Can you link what sites you have been using? Or where you have gotten this statistical data? Or have you just been pulling numbers out of your ass? Not to mention you take no account in for the probability of busts or late round sleepers.

High probability? Can you link your sources or "statisitcal" data showing this high probability of Wilson being there at the 63 rd pick in the draft for the Giants?

Like I said, I still dont see why you find it so hard to believe the Giants got the player that they wanted. And this "they could of drafted him lower" for all we know some team picked him before the Giants picked again, then this player that the Giants had rated number one on their board that they passed over because of giving into peer pressure from ESPN mock draft. I'm starting to think you just like to argue for the sake of arguing.

I've been saying he has been the best player all along for the Giants, I don't know why you got all on about ESPN and other FOX sources. Once again I dont see what's so hard to understand about the Giants drafting a player that was their highest rated on the board.

Double posting.

http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Front-Office-discusses-RB-David-Wilson/a071ce2a-a4a4-4696-9bd1-3fa92dc366ec Q: You haven’t picked a running back this high in a while. A: The only reason that hasn’t happened is because there hasn’t been a running back at the time [that was] the highest player on our board. We’re not afraid to pick a running back high. We’ll pick any player high that’s the highest player on our board. It just hasn’t happened that way. It’s been other players at that spot. He was the best player on the board for the Giants.

Once again, he was the best player of value there for the Giants. JR has even said this. What dont you understand?

Once again he was the best player available for the Giants. You think JR honestly cares what places like ESPN or FOX say about a players ranking? If the Giants had an OT or anyone rated higher then Wilson at the time on the board they would of been picked. The other options available as you said who were "better" were obviously not to JR, Coughlin, scouts and anyone making the decision for the team. So far the Giants picking who they feel as the best player available has worked out pretty well for them, wouldnt you agree?