fishgutmartyr

Experience in what? Taking a sack?

If you wanted Nassib to develop the David Carr style of QB shell-shock, then sure, play him.

Personally, if I wasn't playing Eli, I would have thrown in Painter and let him take the beating. Dallas Reynolds--off the street and into your starting lineup. I'm not even trashing Reynolds--but how good could you be if you've been on the squad a week or so?

If you're trying to develop a quality backup, you can't throw a rookie into that. Even if he did everything correctly, there would still be a high failure rate, and you'd destroy his confidence.

not too keen on using the valuable picks on defense. im thrilled with what we did with our secondary and i think it has top 10 talent now. i really think we should be focusing on our offense. i don't like the j.d. walton contract and would like to draft a center and/or guard in the mid rounds. we also need a pass catching TE and badly need to upgrade that wr group

On paper, our defense looks more balanced than it has in years. Our linebacking starters actually look presentable, the backfield looks really good, and while our line isn't the same as the one that boasted Strahan, Osi, and a healthy Tuck; it still isn't garbage.

We could use some upgrades on backups on the front 7 for sure, but there's a decent spread of talent. This will be the first year in a long time I won't be praying for a LB in the early rounds.

You're 100% right, but many times I've seen Eli hold on to the ball way too long when he should have dumped it. To me, That's rookie stuff there and he should be able to not take those kind of sacks.

I don't know--honestly, who was he going to dump it off to? Myers? The backs were held in to stop the slaughter.

He already had a bunch of grounding calls called on him last season.

I don't think Eli really had a workable scenario in last year's clusterfuck. I'm not surprised at all he had happy feet near the end.

i hope i'm wrong too. i am worried that they are just going to go all in with the center they signed though. i think we have no choice but to give beatty at least another year. i personally think chris snee is finished but im not going to bitch too loudly about him starting until he starts to suck

Snee might very well be finished. That's why someone like Zach Martin might be the way to go. Snee fails, you have Schwartz go to his natural side, and Martin goes left guard. If Beatty sucks again, Pugh and Martin are tackles.

After this year, I think cutting Beatty at least won't leave dead money. Could be wrong, though. But I agree, he isn't going anywhere this year.

i think the giants think they have their starting o-line now

There's every chance you're right, but I hope you're wrong.

Center is a big if, with the guy they signed trying to come back from injury. Who's the right guard beyond Snee? Which Beatty will show up?

I just don't trust the backups from last year. At the very least, we need a center and guard.

Oh, and if you have a chance to strengthen the line, take it. A great WR is pointless if the QB can't get the ball to him.

Steve Smith: 5' 11"

Hakeem Nicks: 6' 1"

Victor Cruz: 6' 0"

Mario Manningham 6'0"

These are all wide receivers that have had a degree of success on this team under Eli--3 of them had some of the best seasons a Giants wide receiver ever had. I put Manningham in because he did have flashes of quality play his first stay, even if he did do some boneheaded things; while he did nearly nothing elsewhere.

If 6'1" Jamaar Taylor could have gotten healthy, he would have done well with Eli. The few times he was healthy, he looked good.

So, can we put the whole "Eli needs a tall receiver" meme to rest now? The only tall receivers (other than tight ends) he's had are Burress and Barden, and obviously the success rate was 50%. Toomer was 6'3", which I guess is tall, but hardly exceptional.

What he needs are guys that know how to run solid routes.

The guy hasn't had a decent line in at least 3 years. The difference between 2011 and the last two was where the pressure was coming from, not the amount. In 2011 , it was coming from the ends (I really admire MacKenzie, but he was awful his last year), so he could step up: the last two the pressure was coming from the middle.

If you're going to have a pocket-passer, then you'd better make sure he has a pocket. Otherwise, you get seasons like the last two.

No. They couldn't handle Nick's relatively minor foibles, and you expect them to deal with Jackson's bullshit? No way.

I'd be happy with just some consistency. You can define that any way you wish: who is on the field, steady if unspectacular production, whatever.

We really haven't seen that since when? 2010?

I also look at what Drew Brees has done in NO.....again, not calling Eli Manning another Drew Brees.....my point is that you can spread the ball around and have a dynamic offense without a Calvin Johnson....... Tom Brady is another example of this.

Up until last season, Manning has done a pretty good job of spreading the ball evenly. If the final form of the oline jells, I don't see why that wouldn't happen again.

The eagles did win the division last year, making them the head of the class; but that class was still special ed. They have plenty of work to do as well. And just like us, they'll have made some successful choices, some bad ones, and have injuries/regressions/progressions. We'll see how everyone winds up.

We might not get there this year, but it won't be from lack of trying. I have to like that.

His whole problem while he was here was running the correct routes. If McAdoo is keeping the route trees but simplifying the reads, we might be pleasantly surprised. Assuming his knee is good.

Baas' savings of 5 million doesn't become available until June 2, and from what I read, will be used to sign our draft picks.

Exactly--which means whatever we have is available for free agency--we don't have to worry about signing picks with this money.

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Just saw on BBI that Beason's salary this year is $730,000. That means my 6 mill guess was way off.

You guys are being inconsistent--do you want a rebuild, or lip service with the same players trying to do things they haven't been able to do in years?

I loved Tuck--I think he's one of the best draft picks we had in the last decade--but he hasn't been a multi-million dollar player for a couple of years now. 5 sacks in 14 games as a DE on a defense originally designed to live/die by the pass rush...Is that worth 4mil/year? Or do we just bench him until we play Washington?

And Nicks was never coming back this year. Cruz's contract clearly bruised his ego, and there would have been no way he would have come back here for a 3-3.5 million one-year deal. And frankly, the way the last two seasons played out, I don't see how Reese could have offered more; regardless of the reasons Nicks' play was so lackluster.

I really don't understand the logic of wanting to spend $7 million on these two guys, while lamenting a net $250,000 on a good young player who ensures that we have a good fullback this year, whether he makes it or not.

Jameel McClain is a backup or are you talking about the dude that failed his physical?

Because to me, the LB corps looks better right now than it did opening day last year. The no-man's land between our back field and defensive line has started to close up.

We also signed Trumaine McBride, Stevie Brown, Josh Brown among others.

McClain: ~2mil this year

Walton: ~ 2mil this year

Rashad Jennings: salary $750,000 this year

Haven't heard anything about Beason's contract except it's something like 3 years/ 19 mill

Schwartz is already on this, as well as Hynoski, Painter, Herzlich, both Browns:

http://www.overthecap.com/teamcap.php?Team=Giants&Year=2014

So, with the last few guys dropping off, and assuming Beason's hit is around 6, it's going to be ~5 million left. And Baas number is still on the list.

Rolle's contract hasn't been touched. Manning's contract hasn't been touched.

There are guys like Daniel Fells that can be cut to save a half million/player. No dead money. You don't even need to cut them, because they'll drop out of the top 51, and their salaries will drop out of the cap with them.

Your 2nd string fullback might temporarily cost us $580,000 of additional cap money, which isn't insurmountable. That's without any of the cap accounting voodoo. If he makes the team, we drop Connor's $740,000.

Not sure why you're hyper-ventillating about this.

Maybe they're hoping for an occasional successful LB blitz this season.

 

The Giant's dont have "competition" money.

 

Unless we start releasing players and restructuring.

 

We have maybe one "impact" signing and the rest is going to go to resigning players and draft picks.

We have around $20 million right now--before dealing with Snee and Baas. Right there, we're heading towards the upper 20s. Not to mention the current roster has a ton of very cuttable guys.

Remember, those salaries come off as new ones come on.

I'm not looking to sign last year's pro bowl team--but we can sign young guys with a little more potential than what we have. And honestly, who on this roster other than Beason is that critical to re-sign this year? Maybe Joseph? There's a couple that might be nice to hold onto, like McBride or Mundy, but those guys aren't going to be $5mil/year players. And if they can get that elsewhere, then they should go for it.

We have lots of spots to fill, but it doesn't have to be with our own players. Not after last year. Nor do they have to be name players--make your name here. I'd rather suck with young players, then suck with the old guard.

Gilbride should look up some fellas named Fassel and Payton. They figured it out.

Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but didn't those two have some serious red zone problems, too?

It seems like forever that the line/backs couldn't punch it in at the goal line.

Right, but in my eyes he played well on special teams. Well enough where

I'm not going to be mad about him signing what is probably a minimum contract.

Fair enough, I just hope they're not going to sign him and Beason and say "done." That squad is crying out for competition.

Leading in special teams tackles isn't that much of a selling point considering the overall play of the special teams last year.

Even if Snee gets cut, and gets nothing, he's made $35million + on this contract. If he manages to blow all of that, then I can't really have sympathy for him.

Snee was one of the best guards in the league and was paid accordingly.

It's not the same as cutting Adam Koets while he's injured. Or a practice squad player--which would be far, far more of a hardship. But that happens all the time, and fans don't say a word.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/chris-snee/

I think Snee will manage.

Never been a huge Gilbride fan, but hard to argue with this:

 

Bottom line.....Coughlin and Eli deserve alot of credit for 2 SB wins. Reese added his share of guys, but the offensive line and defense line were both Ernie Accorsi productions.

 

They were clearly not the most talented team in either year, and that's a reflection of how good a coach Coughlin is. I also think Eli squeezed as much out of Gilbride's system as he could.

 

Let's face it.....the 2011 Giants lucked out......they had a Coach who got players to overachieve, and a QB that once again made some sick clutch plays.

 

Reese should have realized he won the jackpot with a pair of 10s. Instead, he mistook a hot streak for a sign that his approach was infallible, and it bit him in the ass. He's missed repeatedly on the OL, and his regard for LB and TE have been disdainful. The result can be seen in 2012 and 2013, and it's a downward arc.

 

As years pass, Ernie's fingerprints have faded, and this becomes more and more Reese's team.

 

Last year, all that remained from the Ernie Era was Eli, Coughlin, and a few scattered aging veterans. The bulk of the team is now a product of Reese's decisions. And not coincidentally, 2013 was the worst year since Coughlin became head coach.

 

I've been a frequent critic of Gilbride, but in my thinking, he deserves more credit for the team's success than Reese does. And now he's gone, so they won't have The Magic Mustache to kick around anymore.

 

I do think McAdoo will be an upgrade, though.

Agree. People forget how much penetration the line was giving up regularly in 2011. If it wasn't for Eli's pocket awareness, we wouldn't have sniffed the playoffs that year. And it wasn't until the playoff run that the defense decided to show up.

Not sure how people can praise Coughlin, but not credit Gilbride for getting production out of a QB, 3 WRs, and not much else. Water under the bridge--let's hope McAdoo is an upgrade.

But before we go sucking off Accorsi for that oline, let's not forget he also gave us that 2003 Hatch-Allen line. Let's hope this year is like 2004.