HOUND

Any more predictions? You guys are on a roll.

Unlike Harrington, Leinart has PROVEN talent around him. He'll be fine. I don't think he's going to be special but he's going to win games in Arizona.

Are you inferring that Detorit didn't have enough weapons for Harrington to succeed, becuase if that's the case, I couldn't disagree more.

Which was again proven tonight when your team unraveled in the 3'rd period down a goal, BTW what do you guys think of Gionta with his hack job on every Cane that came near him? Can't play against the big boys in the playoffs so he should respond with slashing? Sounds like a bitch move to me, cry on little man... cry on.

 

One or two more things to chew on;

#1 defenseman, you gotta be kidding me.... he is nothing more than an undisciplined goon. I'd consider Rafalski a better defenseman than White who seems to be able to do nothing more than throw the occasional big hit, be caught out of position numerous times & take untimely, undisciplined penalties (see the hit on Recchi that lead to the Canes getting the offense back in order)..... while we are on the subject of undisciplined play (something that must really frost Lamoriello's ass) how about Langenbrunner...... a double minor that leads to the winning goal??? Real "Devil-like" if you ask me!

 

Canes 3 Devils 0

I had a stunad on another board try to tell me the reason the Devils lost was the refs!!!!!!

Yeah ... like Cullen bit his lip to draw the double minor! I'm sure it had nothing to do with Langenbrunner feeding his stick to him!

Go Canes!

Good drafting Williams over bush....you should have been fired!

He wasn't fired, he resigned.

Casserly is a pretty good portrait of life as an NFL GM. He's made some exceedingly shrewd moves in his time with Washington and Houston, and he's had his fair share of disastrous misses. All too often fanbases have the unrealistic expectation that teams should always hit a homerun on their draft picks and never strike out. Reality says that simply doesn't happen.

He's always been a class act. He seems like a good fit for the league office.

The only "bust" that I can see coming out of the first round is Tamba Hali, I don't think that he is going into a particularly good situation in KC..... I know he is going to get the opportunity to play opposite Jared Allen & will also have Kendrell Bell & Derrick Johnson playing behind him but I don't think that much of any of KC's defensive tackles & aside from Surtain they are without a playmaker in their secondary. I don't think much of Hali's talent level to begin with, coupled with the fact that there isn't a whole ton of talent around him I just can't see him having a significant impact on a team that finished 25'th in team defense.

Agreed on Hali. I'm not high on tweener types who aren't landing in OLB positions in 3-4's. Hali will have the same responsibilities as any 4-3 DE and I don't think physically he can match up.

Getting back to the subject, I happen to disagree with some of your selections, and the Leinart pick is bold since he probably couldn't be in a better situation. I actually like McCargo, Hill and Hali, and I think they are all going to be productive players for their respective teams.

 

If I had to predict a few busts, I'd start with Jay Cutler. I just haven't seen much that much from him that would convince me he's the real deal.

 

I think that in 3 years, Mario Williams is going to have to overcome a lot to be considered worthy of the 1st pick.

 

Haloti Ngata

Ernie Simms

Marcedes Lewis

Mathias Kiwanuka-Sorry guys...Hound, I know your especially high on Kiwi, but I was never too high on him to begin with, and he's going to have a fight getting some playing time. I was never sold on his playing style, and he's going to have to make a lot of improvements to make it in the NFL, IMO. Of course, it would be a pleasure to be wrong.

Wow Barens, we have almost polar opposite picks! I like Cutler and think of the three he's going to the best team. I think he's in a good position to learn the O at a nice slow pace. I doubt he'll make much of a splash in his first two seasons but I think that's due more to the teams present QB situation than any lack in skill.

I think Ngata is in a great situation in Baltimore. He's a perfect fit.

I love Ernie Sims. Even though Detroit got him and they always seem to bungle their first rounders, I have confidence that Marinelli will make him an absolute stud.

Lewis I may agree with. I don't think he'll set the world on fire but I don't think he'll be horrible either. I don't expect much from him his rookie season.

I've stated my case on Kiwi.

I don't think Williams should be judged as a number 1 pick. If he averages 7.5 sacks a year his first three seasons, I don't see how he can be labelled a bust. There are plenty of guys who went #1 overall who were good, but not great players.

Take your schoolgirl logic someplace else and stop threadjacking. Be happy I didn't predict Bunkley as a bust.

Maybe you haven't noticed but the poll option hasn't been working.

Wahddup bomber.

I see an awful lot of people predicting the past. Some don't even do a good job of that!

Then there's the rush to assign draft grades to every team which is retarded considering it'll be 3 years before we know how this draft went.

What I want to know is, who are the 1 round picks who will be busts for their respective teams from teh 2006 draft?

I define "Bust" as a guy who either can't crack the starting lineup due to a lack of playing ability or football intelligence, or a guy who collects enough off-field arrests, violations, etc. that he's either suspended, cut or bagging groceries within a few years. For the most part, I'd say a guy has to be a first rounder to even qualify as a bust but if some of you want to look into early 2nd round, I'll allow it.

For example, I'd venture to say, that several will select Bills safety Donte Whitner as he was hardly viewed as a top 10 selection on any draft board. However I don't consider Whitner a bust as I think he will be a solid competitor, even if he never does perform at a top 10 level.

That being the case ... here are Hound's fearless predictions (try not to copy them):

QB Matt Leinart - 10th overall to Arizona

CB Tye Hill - 15th overall to St Louis

DE Tamba Hali - 20th overall to Kansas City

DT John McCargo - 26th overall to Buffalo

I wanted to add Kam Wimbley to the list but I have too much respect for Phil Savage in Cleveland. Jonathan Joseph on Cincy got serious consideration too. I actually like him as a prospect but he might be the riskiest pick of the 1st round. Bengals are making a pretty big gamble. I didn't think Seattle should've taken CB Kelly Jennings as I don't think he's first round caliber but I don't think he's a washout either. Looking at the draft, I'm amazed the Seahawks didn't take Kiwanuka. He's a far superiro rusher than they could've hoped to land at that spot and Grant Wistrom isn't getting any better. I think Seahawk fans will regret that in a few years.

We should trade Emmons for Shawn Merriman.

I forget which poster told me that but it seems like a good idea.

Kiwi and Pee Wee. I like that.

 

I wouldn't say that I have completely warmed up to it, although your constant reassurance reminds of April 2004, when you talked me off the ledge and convinced me not to murder my neighbors...

Wow ... I didn't know the neighbors were at risk. By chance are they Eagles fans? If so, the Eli Manning trade was horrible. Imagine Shawn Merriman in Giants blue. Where do you keep sharp knives? I'm pretty sure the back door is unlocked. Oh look, the porch light is out too!

Don't be surprised if I get worked into that rotation. I can play either outside spot and I'm a special teams terror.

Even at his relatively young age, he's been a Giants fan and sports fan long enough to know to not jump to conclusions and to not get too overworked by something like a draft pick or football game. Life goes on ... he'll ultimately learn to live by those words...

So ... you kept your streak alive of draft day tantrums huh?

Sorry I missed it.

you got plax, shockey, and arrington...please don't tell me about players with character issues

Do me a favor and list Plax, Shock and Arrington's rap sheets for me.

To my knowledge none of them have an arrest. Your boy Justice is already outscoring the three of them combined. First he solicits a prostitute and gets caught ... which is Hugh Grant pathetic. Then he gets caught bullying a fellow student at USC with a toy gun. Is there a reason he didn't just beat the shit out of the guy? Winston Justice, superhulk, needs a fake pistol to fight his battles? That by itself is reason not to draft the kid. He's a grade A wussy.

Look on the bright side, chances are McNabb will have lost three of his chins heading into this season. Food will be tough to come by at training camp with Andrews and Gilles ruling the buffet table. Don't cut Winston in line though ... he'll put a cap in yo ass. Well, actually he won't but he'll threaten to.

Why no preseason option?

no doubt the Giants unquestionably have the best DE tandem in the NFL, but when Eli has time to throw the ball, he's most effective. Giles and Justice were both available along with other players the Giants could have used, namely OLBs and dbs

Giles is a Guard. We don't have a need a need at Guard. I'll admit I would have liked to have seen a Tackle on Day 1 but Justice's character issues dropped him off our list.

Time will tell who got the better pick, Philly or NY, as Kiwanuka likely will face off versus Justice for many years. Assuming 'ol Winston doesn't decide to take out his toy gun collection again.

So basically it's taken you guys 2 weeks to finally warm to the "Kiwi and Pee-Wee draft of 2006".

I'm glad people are finally seeing the light.

I think he knew that. It was more of a backhanded slap at the Eagles you dufus.

and when you throw in Tra Thomas, Winston Justice, Todd Herremans, Adrien Clarke, Max Jean-Gilles, Hank Fraley, Jamaal Jackson Trey Darilek, Adrien Clarke, Jon Runyan, Calvin Armstrong and Winston Justice on offense and Jevon Kearse, Jaqua Thomas, Mike Patterson, Ed Jasper, Darwin Walker, Brodrick Bunkley, Paul Grasmanis, Darren Howard and Trent Cole on defense, that's pretty awesome

You're right. It's an amazing collection of talent. So why can't they stop the run?

Excellent post.

Just my .02 but without the tradeback I think we take Moss at the 25th pick.

Given how things shook out, I like reality better.

Holy crap this is a good game. 2 goals in the last 20 seconds. Goin to OT.

draft dodger

Well if you are the great poster we all think you are, you would... Im just saying...

Hey, you're in tight with the mods, despite them sabotaging you in the mock draft, maybe you can get them to bring back the poll option.

Secondary is better than a year ago but yes, to advance far in January we'll need to compensate for that flaw with a vicious pass rush. IMHO we're 2 players away from a Super Bowl title. A better than average cornerback and a run plugging defensive tackle.

However that's as of right now.

This time next year we may still need those pieces but we may also need a WR, OT, and RB

Just goes to show how hard it is to be a consistent contender in this league.